Natalee Case Discussion #678 8/16 - 8/26/2007

[dennisintn]

Exactly. There's an Aruban mental block around the concept that AIDING a REAL investigation, and PURSUING the case WHEREVER it honestly leads, is the BEST protection of tourism dollers they can possibly have! What's so hard about that!?

it's aruba.  tourists get lied to every single day.  about everything. tourists go home and forget.  why go out of their way or inconvenience themselves by being honest.  plus, they have these really expensive public relations types that have them convinced that spending more money with them telling lies and evading the truth is the best way for them to get away with protecting the guilty and the reputation of the island.  it isn't sensible, and it isn't right, but it's aruba.  it's their damn island and they get to do what they want to on it.
dennisintn

[Nut44x4]

  A Prosecutor is a Government official, who's job it is to bring to Justice the defendant charged with a criminal offense.   In other words he/she is the attorney for the victim.

The People.

Hat - great to see you!  Yes, you are correct!

YAHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[klaasend]

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Mashelle Zeolla, President of International Friends of Aruba hands out flyers of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, ...

Missing-Girl Case Focuses on Three Men
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jun 4, 6:41 PM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Three men who said they dropped off an Alabama teenager at her hotel have emerged as "the most important lead" in the honor student's disappearance on this Dutch Caribbean island, police said Saturday.

Police, Dutch troops and hundreds of volunteers scouring coastline and beaches for six days have found no trace of Natalee Holloway, 18.

Deputy police chief Gerold Dompig said authorities were investigating the background and story of two Surinamese men and a native of the Netherlands who said they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn before dawn Monday.

Dompig declined to call the men suspects, saying they were "persons of interest," but said the men were "the most important lead."

"We are working diligently," Dompig said. "I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend."

An official close to the investigation said the three men - legal Aruban residents between the ages of 18 and 25 - told police they had taken Holloway to a beach at the northwestern tip of Aruba before dropping her off at the hotel.

But her uncle, Paul Reynolds, said he was told security cameras did not show Holloway returning to the hotel that night. Police declined to comment on that report.

Holloway was on a five-day excursion with 124 seniors and several chaperones from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala. She spent the last night of her vacation eating and dancing at Carlos 'N Charlie's bar and restaurant.

She didn't show up for her return flight, and police found her passport in her hotel room with her packed bags.

"Natalee's bags were packed and she's ready to go home," her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told a news conference. "Please help bring her home."

Holloway, a straight-A student, had earned a full scholarship at the University of Alabama and planned to study premed, Reynolds said. He described his niece as a levelheaded girl who would not have done anything rash, although he also said she had an almost childlike side, too.

"Natalee's naive. She hasn't dated a lot. She doesn't party a lot," said Reynolds. Holloway attends church regularly and wouldn't ever run away, he said.

In the Mountain Brook yearbook, Holloway's senior quote came from the old Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Freebird." It says: "If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be traveling on now, there's too many places I haven't seen."

In Mountain Brook, Ala., dozens of Holloway's friends and classmates attended an afternoon prayer vigil Saturday. "The entire community is very concerned and very much in prayer," said the city manager, Sam Gaston.

Ten more FBI agents joined the search Saturday for the girl, Attorney General Caren Janssen said. "We need more technical assistance," she said, declining to elaborate.


So KJ claims to need more technical assistance but when the FBI get their to search the water, ALE can't tell them what area to search?  Who stopped the FBI from being able to assist?

[the big hammer]

Nice to see ya, Hat.

Of course: "the People".

The slog continues.  I decided a while back to see it through.  

There are ways for this to be made right, I am quite sure.

BTW, your post from so long ago remains, in my mind, the signature of this case: "...a squad of American moms..."

That was a beauty.

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[Hat]

Nice to see ya, Hat.

Of course: "the People".

The slog continues.  I decided a while back to see it through.  

There are ways for this to be made right, I am quite sure.

BTW, your post from so long ago remains, in my mind, the signature of this case: "...a squad of American moms..."

That was a beauty.

.

Thanks, Hammer...You remember that one?
What ever happened to old Rubberlegs Ruben and Two button Arleen Schipper? I wonder. I don't care, I just wonder.
I think you still have some slogging ahead. But maybe...

[Ree]

Sorry, I didn't mean to stir things up and leave.  I was just trying to point out that we all may being a little too hard on the Dutch about their laws, because we give our prosecutors some discretion, as well.  While in most cases, it is in the public as well as the victem's to try a case, there are times when it is not.  The prosecutor has to answer to John Q. Public and that is what makes our system better.

[klaasend]

Hat - as it turns out Arleen is related to Guido Wever who was detained in the Netherlands on Heavy Battery and Murder charges until his high powered attorney got him off.

Rubberlegs is in charge of the airport I believe.

[Ree]

Anything new on the bones?

[klaasend]

Anything new on the bones?

Nope, nothing at all.

[2NJSons_Mom]

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Mashelle Zeolla, President of International Friends of Aruba hands out flyers of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, ...

Missing-Girl Case Focuses on Three Men
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jun 4, 6:41 PM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Three men who said they dropped off an Alabama teenager at her hotel have emerged as "the most important lead" in the honor student's disappearance on this Dutch Caribbean island, police said Saturday.

Police, Dutch troops and hundreds of volunteers scouring coastline and beaches for six days have found no trace of Natalee Holloway, 18.

Deputy police chief Gerold Dompig said authorities were investigating the background and story of two Surinamese men and a native of the Netherlands who said they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn before dawn Monday.

Dompig declined to call the men suspects, saying they were "persons of interest," but said the men were "the most important lead."

"We are working diligently," Dompig said. "I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend."

An official close to the investigation said the three men - legal Aruban residents between the ages of 18 and 25 - told police they had taken Holloway to a beach at the northwestern tip of Aruba before dropping her off at the hotel.

But her uncle, Paul Reynolds, said he was told security cameras did not show Holloway returning to the hotel that night. Police declined to comment on that report.

Holloway was on a five-day excursion with 124 seniors and several chaperones from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala. She spent the last night of her vacation eating and dancing at Carlos 'N Charlie's bar and restaurant.

She didn't show up for her return flight, and police found her passport in her hotel room with her packed bags.

"Natalee's bags were packed and she's ready to go home," her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told a news conference. "Please help bring her home."

Holloway, a straight-A student, had earned a full scholarship at the University of Alabama and planned to study premed, Reynolds said. He described his niece as a levelheaded girl who would not have done anything rash, although he also said she had an almost childlike side, too.

"Natalee's naive. She hasn't dated a lot. She doesn't party a lot," said Reynolds. Holloway attends church regularly and wouldn't ever run away, he said.

In the Mountain Brook yearbook, Holloway's senior quote came from the old Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Freebird." It says: "If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be traveling on now, there's too many places I haven't seen."

In Mountain Brook, Ala., dozens of Holloway's friends and classmates attended an afternoon prayer vigil Saturday. "The entire community is very concerned and very much in prayer," said the city manager, Sam Gaston.

Ten more FBI agents joined the search Saturday for the girl, Attorney General Caren Janssen said. "We need more technical assistance," she said, declining to elaborate.


So KJ claims to need more technical assistance but when the FBI get their to search the water, ALE can't tell them what area to search?  Who stopped the FBI from being able to assist?

The quotes from Dompig and Janssen were printed on 6/4 by AP and the next morning MJ & AJ were arrested.   

[klaasend]

Yes 2NJ -  Makes by blood boil to know/realize that the coverup started so early.

[klaasend]

Posted at BFN by Jonathan45 (note this is his opinion):

Jonathan45
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    Re: Statements Against Interest--PJ2K&A,SGC,FAZ,plus
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This unsolved case has become a VDS familysecret,
First there is Joran, the factual and only suspect. He is the one who made up the beachstory and called Deepak at 2.26am after Natelee died.
Natalee died between 1.45am and 2.10am in Joran's appartment.
The 2.26am call to Deepak to frame his friends, who at approximately 1.40am dropped the couple off close to the VDSresidence, brought Natalee away from the VDShome as the crimescene.
The remains of Natalee are buried within walking distance frome the VDSresidence.
Joran was during the 2.26am call walking or he used his brothers bike.
His shoes had to dissappear just like Natalee.
The endless steering role of Paulus and Anita during Joran''s lying truthstory is based on the 'no body no case" and made it til now possible for Joran to escape from prosecution.
The Kalpoe brothers are only involved in Joran's lying truthstory.
Deepak stated: "If I had known my friend was a devil I never would have let this happen"
Freddy became on monday Joran's storyteller and he was the one who told Joran's parents [ first Anita, later Paulus] about his fiction sentence: "I left my shoes and the girl alone on the beach".

It's a family web of pathological double binds that made this all possible.

Joran's book is a confession
 

[KarmaRoundUp]

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Mashelle Zeolla, President of International Friends of Aruba hands out flyers of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, ...

Missing-Girl Case Focuses on Three Men
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jun 4, 6:41 PM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Three men who said they dropped off an Alabama teenager at her hotel have emerged as "the most important lead" in the honor student's disappearance on this Dutch Caribbean island, police said Saturday.

Police, Dutch troops and hundreds of volunteers scouring coastline and beaches for six days have found no trace of Natalee Holloway, 18.

Deputy police chief Gerold Dompig said authorities were investigating the background and story of two Surinamese men and a native of the Netherlands who said they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn before dawn Monday.

Dompig declined to call the men suspects, saying they were "persons of interest," but said the men were "the most important lead."

"We are working diligently," Dompig said. "I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend."

An official close to the investigation said the three men - legal Aruban residents between the ages of 18 and 25 - told police they had taken Holloway to a beach at the northwestern tip of Aruba before dropping her off at the hotel.

But her uncle, Paul Reynolds, said he was told security cameras did not show Holloway returning to the hotel that night. Police declined to comment on that report.

Holloway was on a five-day excursion with 124 seniors and several chaperones from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala. She spent the last night of her vacation eating and dancing at Carlos 'N Charlie's bar and restaurant.

She didn't show up for her return flight, and police found her passport in her hotel room with her packed bags.

"Natalee's bags were packed and she's ready to go home," her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told a news conference. "Please help bring her home."

Holloway, a straight-A student, had earned a full scholarship at the University of Alabama and planned to study premed, Reynolds said. He described his niece as a levelheaded girl who would not have done anything rash, although he also said she had an almost childlike side, too.

"Natalee's naive. She hasn't dated a lot. She doesn't party a lot," said Reynolds. Holloway attends church regularly and wouldn't ever run away, he said.

In the Mountain Brook yearbook, Holloway's senior quote came from the old Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Freebird." It says: "If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be traveling on now, there's too many places I haven't seen."

In Mountain Brook, Ala., dozens of Holloway's friends and classmates attended an afternoon prayer vigil Saturday. "The entire community is very concerned and very much in prayer," said the city manager, Sam Gaston.

Ten more FBI agents joined the search Saturday for the girl, Attorney General Caren Janssen said. "We need more technical assistance," she said, declining to elaborate.


So KJ claims to need more technical assistance but when the FBI get their to search the water, ALE can't tell them what area to search?  Who stopped the FBI from being able to assist?

I thought it was 3 FBI divers that came to aruba and waited a day or 2 to be told where to dive....and left when they were not directed where to dive?
Were the 3 divers a part of the total FBI on aruba?Shoot...I wonder what she meant by"need more technical assistance"also.

[Observer]

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.

As I recall Art wood had found a belt buried in the sand that looked very similar to one that JVDS owned but had said it was too old to be Jorans. We know he turned that over to ALE as well as some plastic and they were disregarded. He had instructed Fred Golba to search that area the next day with his search dogs..etc..

Early the next morning as he was arriving to the location on the same road as the Alto Vista Chapel he ran into Paul Van Der Sloot in his jeep who he made direct eye contact with.  It has always bothered me as I wondered what was PVDS doing up so early in the morning in that location. Was PVDS hiding evidence or checking to see what was hidden will never be found? Is it possible that the bone that washed up in the same place is part of Natalee?

[KarmaRoundUp]

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Mashelle Zeolla, President of International Friends of Aruba hands out flyers of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, ...

Missing-Girl Case Focuses on Three Men
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jun 4, 6:41 PM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Three men who said they dropped off an Alabama teenager at her hotel have emerged as "the most important lead" in the honor student's disappearance on this Dutch Caribbean island, police said Saturday.

Police, Dutch troops and hundreds of volunteers scouring coastline and beaches for six days have found no trace of Natalee Holloway, 18.

Deputy police chief Gerold Dompig said authorities were investigating the background and story of two Surinamese men and a native of the Netherlands who said they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn before dawn Monday.

Dompig declined to call the men suspects, saying they were "persons of interest," but said the men were "the most important lead."

"We are working diligently," Dompig said. "I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend."

An official close to the investigation said the three men - legal Aruban residents between the ages of 18 and 25 - told police they had taken Holloway to a beach at the northwestern tip of Aruba before dropping her off at the hotel.

But her uncle, Paul Reynolds, said he was told security cameras did not show Holloway returning to the hotel that night. Police declined to comment on that report.

Holloway was on a five-day excursion with 124 seniors and several chaperones from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala. She spent the last night of her vacation eating and dancing at Carlos 'N Charlie's bar and restaurant.

She didn't show up for her return flight, and police found her passport in her hotel room with her packed bags.

"Natalee's bags were packed and she's ready to go home," her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told a news conference. "Please help bring her home."

Holloway, a straight-A student, had earned a full scholarship at the University of Alabama and planned to study premed, Reynolds said. He described his niece as a levelheaded girl who would not have done anything rash, although he also said she had an almost childlike side, too.

"Natalee's naive. She hasn't dated a lot. She doesn't party a lot," said Reynolds. Holloway attends church regularly and wouldn't ever run away, he said.

In the Mountain Brook yearbook, Holloway's senior quote came from the old Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Freebird." It says: "If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be traveling on now, there's too many places I haven't seen."

In Mountain Brook, Ala., dozens of Holloway's friends and classmates attended an afternoon prayer vigil Saturday. "The entire community is very concerned and very much in prayer," said the city manager, Sam Gaston.

Ten more FBI agents joined the search Saturday for the girl, Attorney General Caren Janssen said. "We need more technical assistance," she said, declining to elaborate.


So KJ claims to need more technical assistance but when the FBI get their to search the water, ALE can't tell them what area to search?  Who stopped the FBI from being able to assist?

I thought it was 3 FBI divers that came to aruba and waited a day or 2 to be told where to dive....and left when they were not directed where to dive?
Were the 3 divers a part of the total FBI on aruba?Shoot...I wonder what she meant by"need more technical assistance"also.

Does anyone know when ALE placed the wire taps or whatever on the phones of the suspects?And did our FBI have anything to do with that?

[Hotshot]

Head in Sand

Requests on 24ora to STOP coverage of bone find - fear of negative reaction...image.

igsigs - are you seeing that in the 24ora Comments, or reading it at another site?

24ora comments section. Concerns about Nancy Grace (still?), FOX, etc...

Strange that I have written 2 comments on that page, and they wouldn't post either of them.  It's still all one sided over there.

[klaasend]

Karma - I don't think we know the dates of the wire taps.

******* - your recollection is correct

[AZLady]

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.

As I recall Art wood had found a belt buried in the sand that looked very similar to one that JVDS owned but had said it was too old to be Jorans. We know he turned that over to ALE as well as some plastic and they were disregarded. He had instructed Fred Golba to search that area the next day with his search dogs..etc..

Early the next morning as he was arriving to the location on the same road as the Alto Vista Chapel he ran into Paul Van Der Sloot in his jeep who he made direct eye contact with.  It has always bothered me as I wondered what was PVDS doing up so early in the morning in that location. Was PVDS hiding evidence or checking to see what was hidden will never be found? Is it possible that the bone that washed up in the same place is part of Natalee?

*******, thank you for posting that.  I had missed that interesting tidbit.  So, Art Wood ran into PVDS in his jeep the very next day (and at the same location) after finding the belt and turning it over to the ALE.  PVDS was very, very involved in this case, wasn't he?  His involvement went much farther than advising the perps "no body, no case."  He was johnny-on-the-spot when evidence was found.

[AZLady]

What's the latest word on the bone?  Anything?  Yes, I'd guess that finding human bones on your beach might be a negative thing, but then if they wanted to play up the old pirates and buried treasure image, the Arubans might think this a dramatic and appealing discover.  Go figure!

[Anna]

Compare the actions of the Aruban Prosecution with regard to the Security Guards and with the J2K suspects.  KJ herself was on hand for the rousting of the Security Guards at the crack of dawn.

This was after it was known the HI story was a lie because of not only the tape at the HI but the MB kids who were in the lobby and around the pool said so.

They arrested the SG's with great vigor anyway.  Then when it was determined this was not going to fly, there was no further interest in prosecution.

In this country, we are a nation of laws.  Even the actions of Prosecution or District Attorneys is governed, more or less, by the rule of law and not something like the effect on tourism.

What I find so shocking is that this can be based on the general good in Aruba, like the effect it would have on tourism having absolutely nothing to do with law or guilt or innocence but rather public interest.

It's not the same.  We are a nation governed by law.  We are a nation of laws and not of men.  In Aruba, it seems that the rule of men is far greater than the rule of law.  I have never heard a DA say they would not prosecute, not because there was no evidence of crime but because it would not be in the interest of the greater good of the public like tourism. 

DA's in Florida could use this all the time but they don't.  I have never heard one say he would not prosecute because of the effect it might have on tourism.

And that Jonathan's idea is certainly something to think about especially with regard to time limits.

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