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« Reply #620 on: June 16, 2005, 10:09:07 PM »

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Kerin, what do you teach.  I am also a teacher--high school English, mainly juniors.


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« Reply #621 on: June 16, 2005, 10:09:25 PM »

writer, no the aruban police did not allow them to help.
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« Reply #622 on: June 16, 2005, 10:10:12 PM »

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Kerin, what do you teach.  I am also a teacher--high school English, mainly juniors.


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Just came in the door and saw this. If you weren't counting me, that makes five English teachers that are now addicted to this.


Five and counting!!!
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« Reply #623 on: June 16, 2005, 10:10:27 PM »

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Kerin, what do you teach.  I am also a teacher--high school English, mainly juniors.


Me too!


4 English teachers...don't worry, no red pens  Very Happy


Just came in the door and saw this. If you weren't counting me, that makes five English teachers that are now addicted to this.


Make that six.
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« Reply #624 on: June 16, 2005, 10:10:57 PM »

HEr mother is soooooooooo strong!!!!!  Bless her heart!
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« Reply #625 on: June 16, 2005, 10:10:57 PM »

Carlos and Charlies on Greta next
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« Reply #626 on: June 16, 2005, 10:11:00 PM »

Strange - Jug won't talk to Greta about his encounter with Joran, but he gave all this info to Fox during interviews last week.  Just wondering if they've been "coached" on what to say and not say, etc.  Maybe the FBI trying to tone them down so investigation will go well? Or the local police? Just a strange comment from him when he's been so outspoken about the boy.
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« Reply #627 on: June 16, 2005, 10:11:05 PM »

BRENDA, here's a transcript of Karl Penhaul's timeline that ran on Anderson Cooper 360 tonight.  Granted he still uses the disproved original statements about dropping her at the HI, but clarifies it at the end with Mickey John's statement.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Neon lights pulling the gamblers and the curious. Drawn by the ringing of quarters in the slot machines, spin of the roulette wheel, the roll of the dice.

JAN VAN DER STRATEN, CHIEF POLICE COMMISSIONER: They meet each other in the casino the day before.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That day? Or a previous day? Or...

VAN DER STRATEN: The day before.

PENHAUL: Police say Natalee Holloway was here in the Holiday Inn Casino on Saturday night, May 28. It was her first known contact with one of the suspects, Joran Van Der Sloot, the 17-year-old son of an Aruban judge.

More neon lights, this time outside Carlos and Charlie's bar. Holloway came here to party the following Sunday night. She was with high school friends. She may not have realized she was taking a gamble of a different kind.

The bar is in Aruba's capital, Oranjestad, about 15 minutes' drive from the Holiday Inn, where Holloway and her classmates were staying.

Joran Van Der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe seen here in photos printed in an Aruban newspaper showed up about 10:45 according to statements, the Kalpoes made to investigators and seen by the defense attorney for another man who has been cleared of Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: And one of them stated that Joran danced with her.

PENHAUL: According to police it was around 1:00 a.m., closing time early Monday, when Natalee Holloway's friends watched her walk out of the bar and into a silver gray car with Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

What we know about what happened next comes from those who have read the Kalpoe brothers statements.

LEJUEZ: After they get in the car, one of them says, she wanted to see the other side of the island and the other one says, she wanted to go have a look at the sharks.

PENHAUL: You can make it to the lighthouse from Carlos and Charlie's in around 20 minutes. The Kalpoes were said to be up front, Holloway and Van Der Sloot in the back.

LEJUEZ: They say that he was not only kissing her, but fondling her sexually.

PENHAUL: It's called California Lighthouse, it's a tourist attraction by day, by night an isolated romantic rendezvous. It's not clear the car even stopped, but even in the moonlight from here, it would have been tough for Holloway to see any sharks.

LEJUEZ: One said they drove by the lighthouse. The other said they did not get out of the car.

PENHAUL: As they looked back they would have passed Arashi Beach. Experts say if you dump an object here, the current will drag it west toward open ocean.

According to Lejuez, the suspects' statements deny stopping at the beach, but the area was searched shortly after Holloway's disappearance.

From Aruba's Northwest tip Lejuez says the Kalpoe brothers' statement describes heading back to Holiday Inn.

LEJUEZ: One of them states that she fell asleep and they had to wake her up to ask her at what hotel she was staying.

PENHAUL: When they dropped off Holloway, Lejuez quotes the same of one of the Kalpoe brothers saying she was drunk and stumbled from the car. The other statement, Lejuez says describes Holloway talking to a security guard dressed in black pants and a t-shirt.

Based on the statements, two security guards, Mickey John, and Abraham Jones, were arrested six days after Holloway went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do nothing. I fear nothing.

PENHAUL: They were released late Monday night after prosecutors decided there was no hard evidence against them.

Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested around dawn last Thursday. Prosecutors formally accused them of murder one, murder two and kidnapping leading to death, but Dutch law is different from American law, and they've not yet been formally charged.

Defense lawyers for the three young men maintain their clients' innocence.

ANTONIO CARLO, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY: My client is maintaining that is he innocent.

PENHAUL: Law enforcement sources close to the investigation say cracks are peering in Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoes' stories. A view shared by one of the freed security guards who spoke to Deepak Kalpoe in the jail.

ABRAHAM JONES, FORMER SUSPECT: He told me that story of dropping the girl at the Holiday Inn was all made up. He dropped the Dutch guy with the missing girl close to the Mariott. And he and his brother went home.

PENHAUL: Those law enforcement sources say their accounts may be murky and their description of the facts not quite the same, but one indisputable fact, Natalee Holloway is missing without trace.

Karl Penhaul, CNN, Oranjestad, Aruba.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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At the beginning of this transcript is video and discussion with Penhaul.  I think the first voice-over should have read "judge's son."

CNN's Karl Penhaul has been covering the case practically since it began. He's come to know many of those involved. Karl, what's the latest?

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Law enforcement sources, Anderson, say that the suspects are continuing to point fingers at one another. There are three suspects, the two Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, and the son of a prominent island judge from a very well- respected family. He's the 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot.

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(voice-over): The judge is led away in handcuffs, Dutch-born Joran van der Sloot. His mother was there when police arrested the 17-year-old in a dawn raid.

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT'S MOTHER: He said, mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I'm innocent. I didn't do anything. You know, in a very, almost naive way, he was very open with us, told us everything, what happened.

PENHAUL: Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, talked to CNN just after her son, the oldest of three children, was arrested in connection with Natalee's disappearance.

VAN DER SLOOT: I'm praying. I'm praying. I'm thinking about her, about her family. We're all thinking about her, and I don't know what to do more right now.

PENHAUL: Her husband, Paul, a judge and former prosecution service official in Aruba, declined to speak to CNN.

Days after Natalee's disappearance and just before his arrest, van der Sloot graduated from Aruba's prestigious $12,000-a-year International School. The school website described him as an honor student who had been accepted at a number of colleges in Florida.

VAN DER SLOOT: His favorite subject is physical education, sports, and he's an athlete (ph), as well as in tennis and soccer, and he enjoys being active, and he's just a very spontaneous, open, 17- year-old teenager.

PENHAUL: He's internet-savvy and visited his friend and suspect Deepak Kalpoe at a Cyberzone cafe where Deepak worked.

ANGELINA REPPAS, CYBERZONE CAFE BOSS: He's a good friend of Deepak's. He comes on the internet after school sometimes.

PENHAUL: In fact, van der Sloot had his own website where he posted photos with family, friends, girls and parties. Hours after his arrest, the website was taken down.

Schoolmate Leonardo Rivera says he had been a good friend of van der Sloot's until they had a falling out. Before the disagreement, they used to hang out at the beach and in bars.

What would you be drinking?

LEONARDO RIVERA, SCHOOLMATE: (INAUDIBLE)

PENHAUL: That's a mixture of vodka and fruit punch.

What kind of buzz did he used to get when he was a little bit drunk?

RIVERA: Normal.

PENHAUL: Was he an angry drunk?

RIVERA: No.

PENHAUL: Happy drunk?

RIVERA: No, funny, funny, funny guy, yes.

PENHAUL: Did he used to smoke a little something, or...

RIVERA: No, he didn't do drugs.

PENHAUL: Smart and athletic, Rivera says van der Sloot also fancied himself as a ladies' man.

RIVERA: He used to have a girlfriend -- girlfriends, yes. He liked to play around.

PENHAUL: His mother insists he's innocent, but says she's confounded by her son's arrest.

VAN DER SLOOT: We are parents that know our kids. We try to educate them well. We try to care for them, warn them, and it's devastating that these things happen.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PENHAUL (on camera): Van der Sloot and the other two suspects, the two Kalpoe brothers, should, under normal procedures, appear before a judge by Sunday, in order that he will decide whether to keep them in custody for a further 10 days. Also at that stage, one would expect formal charges to be lodged. Anderson?

COOPER: Now, how long, theoretically, can they be kept in custody without charges being filed? Because, I know that it's a Dutch system. It's very different than the United States.

PENHAUL: As you say, very different from the U.S., but technically, at the end of this eight-day custody period that they're now into, then at that stage, the judge will have to hear the charges against them. That's when the prosecution will have to lodge those formal charges and then under a series of guidelines they could be held technically up to 116 days before this case comes to trial, Anderson.

COOPER: All right. Karl Penhaul, appreciate it.

The island of Aruba is about the size of the city of Washington, D.C. It's home to 70,000 to 80,000 people, but every year it's visited by many times that number of tourists who come, of course, for the white sand beaches and its free-wheeling night life and it's friendly people.

Needless to say those hundreds of thousands of visitors invariably go home when their vacations are over. For one of them, of course, sad to say, for Natalee there, 18-years-old, from Alabama, she's not gone home. She has been missing now on that island of white sand beaches for more than two weeks.

We're joined live in Aruba by Pierre Koa (ph), one of the many volunteers who has spent time searching for Natalee. Thank you very much for being with us, Pierre.

What sort of searches have you been involved with thus far?

Pierre, can you hear me? This is Anderson in New York. Obviously, we can't get in touch with Pierre. We'll try to get in touch with him and bring you that interview in a little bit.

360 next, inside the police investigation on Aruba, look at what is known about Natalee Holloway and the three suspects, a timeline hour-by-hour, minute-by-minute, and day-by-day since she disappeared, what exactly do we know at this point in the investigation?

Also trying to bring that you interview with the search and rescue man.

Also tonight, driver beware. Is your car or truck at risk of catching fire, even when the engine's off? You won't want to miss this special CNN investigative report. Also, the latest on the California quake, the third this week. Are they connected? We'll take a look. All that ahead.

Your picks -- first -- the most popular stories first on CNN.com right now.

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At the end of the transcipt is an interview with Pierre Kock, a volunteer with Aruban Search and Rescue.  They discuss water currents around the island.
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« Reply #628 on: June 16, 2005, 10:11:16 PM »

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for the record...an FBI spokeman was on FOX earlier today and said there are a dozen agents in Aruba.


She is an American citizen and should be treated as such.  3 weeks is TOO LONG!

Even though Natalee is an American, Aruba is a sovereign nation and the FBI can't do a thing unless the government of Aruba says they can.  From what I've read, they've mostly just be allowed to observe.
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« Reply #629 on: June 16, 2005, 10:11:24 PM »

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writer, no the aruban police did not allow them to help.



  Does this mean they'll be actively assisting in the investigation now?
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« Reply #630 on: June 16, 2005, 10:12:17 PM »

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Awwwwww they are staying in her room with her bags!!!!!!!!


How heartbreaking.  I can't even imagine...
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« Reply #631 on: June 16, 2005, 10:12:20 PM »

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Kerin, what do you teach.  I am also a teacher--high school English, mainly juniors.


Me too!


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Just came in the door and saw this. If you weren't counting me, that makes five English teachers that are now addicted to this.


Make that six.


I teach Resource English.
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« Reply #632 on: June 16, 2005, 10:13:02 PM »

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Strange - Jug won't talk to Greta about his encounter with Joran, but he gave all this info to Fox during interviews last week.  Just wondering if they've been "coached" on what to say and not say, etc.  Maybe the FBI trying to tone them down so investigation will go well? Or the local police? Just a strange comment from him when he's been so outspoken about the boy.


I read earlier today that the family had been asked NOT to talk further about their initial talk with HORAN because the conversation may need to be used when it goes to court
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« Reply #633 on: June 16, 2005, 10:13:57 PM »

It's was reported to me that more than one additional individual has been detained today for questioning in this case. They were not arrested. And there may be others. The above is loose information from a prior reliable source I was going to work on it tonight - I didn't get to that, given events.

For some reason I can't see, the line that this investigation is moving forward to an anticipated conclusion not too far off in the future is genuine and has at least something to do with the querstioning of additional individuals.

The general feeling is that the island has been completely searched as regards the most likely locations used to dispose of any possible body and it is "clean." That includes gold mine shafts to which I have seen some refer. There will be additional searching, but not in locations thought to be the "most likely" ones.

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« Reply #634 on: June 16, 2005, 10:14:30 PM »

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writer, no the aruban police did not allow them to help.


The statement I have heard from those locally was the Aruban authorities and prosecutor's office "limited" the FBI's involvement.  The initial impression I got in further conversation with the same source was they were now actively soliciting more assistance the FBI has offered.
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« Reply #635 on: June 16, 2005, 10:14:56 PM »

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« Reply #636 on: June 16, 2005, 10:15:36 PM »

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Kerin, what do you teach.  I am also a teacher--high school English, mainly juniors.


Me too!


4 English teachers...don't worry, no red pens  Very Happy


Just came in the door and saw this. If you weren't counting me, that makes five English teachers that are now addicted to this.


Make that six.


I teach Resource English.


SEVEN!!!!
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« Reply #637 on: June 16, 2005, 10:16:15 PM »

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« Reply #638 on: June 16, 2005, 10:17:07 PM »

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The general feeling is that the island has been completely searched as regards the most likely locations used to dispose of any possible body and it is "clean." That includes gold mine shafts to which I have seen some refer. There will be additional searching, but not in locations thought to be the "most likely" ones.

That's where it can get tricky--if she got shipped off to some other island.  Then you're dealing with even more sovereign nations.  Imagine if she were in Cuba, for example.  I doubt Castro would even allow FBI agents on the island.
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« Reply #639 on: June 16, 2005, 10:17:31 PM »

"FBI heavily involved"  NAts mom
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