Natalee Case Discussion #718 2/01 - 2/02/08

[Dayhiker]

Did anyone notice on this clip at the 1:00 mark, Geraldo states "They got a kid to befriend Joran Van der Sloot" and that they had met at a casino? JvdS has stated to the effect that he was impressed with this person and that he (the friend)had enough money of his own. Sounds logical to me that he would be impressed by a young gambler, given his history at the casinos, and want to befriend him.

Noticed that Mrskub and just figured Geraldo got it wrong, wasn't up to speed. Joran clearly says it was an older man who befriended him and that would jibe with someone being successful and not needing money. I agree with you on the gambler guy, thinking that he would be the perfect idol for Joran to attach himself to. What more perfect type to milk Joran's brain?

[Peaches]

Anyone else watching Fox?  They went from grilling wienies for the party to the story about JVDS.  I glanced up to see a shot of the family and then suddenly, back to the wienies on the grill. 

I hope it was prophetic.

[Dayhiker]

I don't care if she tried cocaine.  So what? 
The last one seen with her is a lying POS.  The Dutch need to cut the crap and deal with this out front for all the world to see.  Stop blaming the victim.  It's not pretty.

Nothing new here is there, Peaches? They have been trying to blame Natalee for her own death since it happened.

This is AHATA's handywork spearheaded by Antonio Carlo. Board member of AHATA, lawyer to Joran, business partner to Paulus. The would be better served cleaning up the date rape drugs on their island so that they are not accessible to the locals who use them to rape tourists.

[MumInOhio]

Nut...Buckeye left a reply about that December b'day over in the Shango thread, but I think I flipped the page.....

[Dayhiker]

Oh please.  This is a drug infested island.  There are programs, in the schools, related to drugs, signs of overdose etc.  All these people know what to do for an overdose.  All kids, in sports, learn CPR and to call for help.  I don't buy for one minute that a person, whose problem was thought of as being an overdose, would not be treated with CPR and a call for help.  Natalee's problem was Joran and he had to get rid of her and any trace of what he did. If she succumbed due to her own volition, he would have left her where she was....unless the problems happened at the house...

How do you innocently dispose of a body? You don't unless you had something to do with the death.

[Spock]

Oh please.  This is a drug infested island.  There are programs, in the schools, related to drugs, signs of overdose etc.  All these people know what to do for an overdose.  All kids, in sports, learn CPR and to call for help.  I don't buy for one minute that a person, whose problem was thought of as being an overdose, would not be treated with CPR and a call for help.  Natalee's problem was Joran and he had to get rid of her and any trace of what he did. If she succumbed due to her own volition, he would have left her where she was....unless the problems happened at the house...

How do you innocently dispose of a body? You don't unless you had something to do with the death.

Deepak:   "If they find the girl...they will find all that Sh*t"

[Peaches]

I don't know why they keep pouncing on the cocaine theory.  Cocaine isn't even that much fun.  Too much buck for not enough bang if you ask me.  I just don't see it.  If the curriculum in Mtn. Brook is anything like my county's, kids have heard plenty about drugs by the time they get out of high school.  Of course, some of them are going to go down the wrong road.  Most of the kids I know are vehemently anti-drug.  And talk about your annoying non-smokers!  My daughter is one of the best. 

Me?  I'm sitting here disappointed that none of my dogs is really bright enough to learn to fetch me a beer. 

I can't see Natalee doing cocaine and don't care.  I trust Beth's assessment of her daughter's character.  All the rest of this blame the victim stuff is just distraction.

[Spock]

Oh please.  This is a drug infested island.  There are programs, in the schools, related to drugs, signs of overdose etc.  All these people know what to do for an overdose.  All kids, in sports, learn CPR and to call for help.  I don't buy for one minute that a person, whose problem was thought of as being an overdose, would not be treated with CPR and a call for help.  Natalee's problem was Joran and he had to get rid of her and any trace of what he did. If she succumbed due to her own volition, he would have left her where she was....unless the problems happened at the house...

How do you innocently dispose of a body? You don't unless you had something to do with the death.

Deepak:   "If they find the girl...they will find all that Sh*t"

And I should add from a pre-arrest email:
Deepak: "the girl had her hands down my pants"

[Peaches]

The Kalpoe attorney, David Kock, is usually pretty comfy going on Greta.  Wonder why she hasn't asked him about the potential ramifications of JVDS' alleged confession on his client's status both in the NH case and in the Dr. Phil case?

[Peaches]

And where are those Gottenbos boys?  Who'd they sell that boat to before they fled the island?

[sharon]

I may change my mind after watching Devries show...but, right now, I think that fateful evening included, in a nutshell: (1) administering a date-rape drug, (2) sexual assault and/or rape, (3) illegally disposing of a corspe, (4) obstructing justice.

(2) sexualt assault and/or rape might convert to a lesser (second degree) murder charge if it directly caused her death.

then again, (1) administering a date-rape drug might convert to a lesser (second degree) murder charge if it directly caused her death.

Direct murder may be a possibility, but i tend to believe murder was not his first and foremost intention for that evening. Again, I may change my mind after watching Devries show.

The Aruban court is the complete X factor to this case, in my opinion.  We have seen it in action over the past few years.  

Joran is a minor. That fact will undoubtedly help him in court. Time served will apply. Minimum sentences are likely to be imposed by judges.  Evidence may be scarce/protected/destroyed.  A definite uphill battle.

Peter deVries will air this show on Sunday evening. Assuming it lives up to its hype, it will have Joran, in his own words, telling the world things he would have otherwise never went on camera and vocalized to the world. Aruba, no matter what, will have no chance to gather the evidence, take it behind closed doors for the world to never see again.  They will have to address this Sunday evening's program. Get out the popcorn. WOW !!!

I'm wondering if Hans Mos played all his cards the last time around.  I never believed he did but had nothing but a hunch.  Perhaps he was holding back to watch what everyone did.  Like in football or basketball -- you see what the other side is going to do before you call a timeout and call your play.  Even if he wasn't working with Peter on this, he may have been aware of it. 

 

I'm laughing lil puma -- Because I didn't think either you or I would have the courage to mention 'basketball' this year   

Good logical post, BUCKSHOT. And I am getting my popcorn ready.

The one constant from the past 2+ years?
It's not over until Beth tells us it is -- and Beth has NEVER even insinuated that it was close to being over.

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT! IT DOES.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
PEACE FOR HER FAMILY AND LOVED ONES.

[Hotshot]

And where are those Gottenbos boys?  Who'd they sell that boat to before they fled the island?

Didn't they sell it to Julia/Glenda?  Didn't she even brag about that?  OK, back for a nap, hoping that when I wake up, something will have happened for the good.

[sharon]

I'll say it again....................thank the Lord Anita was wearing an opaque skirt!!!

And now you've gone and given her a whole new idea, Wreck!

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Good one!

[Buckeye]

Interesting post at Dutch blog:

Had nog even een mailtje gestuurd aan 'onze man op Aruba', Macamba, maar aan zulke corresponden heb je ook niet altijd wat: hij spoelt zijn voeten op Costa Rica. Vakantie! Terwijl wij hem juist nu zo nodig hebben! "Hoorde wel zojuist van een goede vriend van mij dat het programma niet echt veel zal toevoegen aan het geheel. Het zou om een opname gaan van een Arubaanse man bij een vissersbootje die vertelt dat hij het lichaam van Natalee in zee gedumpt heeft."

Hoezo, niet veel toevoegen? Daar gaat het natuurlijk allemaal om, een andere betrokkene die bevestigt wat Joran vertelt. Volgens het Algemeen Dagblad zou de Arubaanse vriend die de actie met de verborgen camera heeft gedaan met zijn verhaal eerder naar de politie zijn gegaan, maar daar geen gehoor hebben gekregen. Vervolgens was hij naar Peter de Vries gegaan. Dat is ook een van de vragen waarop wij zondagavond graag het antwoord willen horen: als dat waar is, hoe kan het dan dat de politie er niks mee gedaan heeft en wie was 'de politie' dan?

Translation

Yet just a mailtje had steered at 'our man on Aruba', Macamba, but at such corresponden, you have also not always what: he rinses its feet on Costa Rica.  Holiday!  While we have him just now so necessarily!  "Heard well just of a good friend of me that the program not really many will add at the whole.  It will a recording go from an Arubaanse man at a fishing boat that tells that he the body of Natalee in sea dumped has." 

Do what do you mean, many not add?  About that it goes around affirms tells naturally all, someone else concerned that what Joran.  According to the General Newspaper will the Arubaanse friend that the action with the hidden camera has done with its story before to the police be gone, but there no hearing got.,.  Then he was Freeze gone to Godfather the.  That is also one of the questions, on which we Sunday evening gladly the answer want to hear: if that where is, how can it then that the police there nothing with done has and who was 'the police' then? 

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/

[sharon]

Yes - Joran is finding it harder to remember his lies.  He's slipping, he's rattled.  Sundays show will be very interresting.

My guess is he told this person a partial truth and that Natalee died.  After that I'm not sure anything he is saying can be trusted. 

I agree.

Everytime that POS opens his mouth -- a little more of the 'confession' comes out.

The difficult part, as always, is separating the truth from the lies.

But the one part of this 'confession' that will hard for him to back off from -- imoo -- he witnessed the passing of Natalee.

We have always known this. And now the words are out from his own mouth.

I hope you live a long time Joran -- in the hell on earth that you alone have created. You will never be free as long as you live.

I admit I'm a little sick -- because my statement above makes me very happy. You disgusting piece of human excrement.

[San]

I can't wait to hear who Joran names as the person who helped him dispose of Natalee. Just met him?? Yeh right!

He will not name anyone.  He will either say a friend or someone he met and he paid for him to help (thus the ATM transaction).

Joran is throwing a little bit of everything in this conversation.

People will get hurt.  Natalee died of a drug OD.  This is the safest way for him not to get in trouble.  He supposedly says you will never find a body.  I disagree.  He is saying that because he doesn't want people to look for her body.  They don't want them looking and what better way for them not to look than him saying the body cannot be found anymore.

Notice how it was said that he was present when Natalee died.  He did not say he murdered her.  This is all part of the plan.  This is a fine tuned story.

The truth is out there and I firmly believe that our FBI knows exactly what happened.  This is just another attempt to see if this story sticks.

Hans Mos is a media professional.  He was brought in for a reason and that reason is to assist with the cover-up on both ends.  Holland will never turn against Joran.  They are making it look like they are against Joran by ordering him back to Aruba.  That is no be deal because they know once he is there Hans Mos will take care of everything.  Then Hans Mos will say the Judges didn't find enough proof to prosecute Joran so then we will be back at square one.

So far Joran is covering all the angles in the story and the main one was not to implicate the Kalpoes and not to implicate his father.

The Kalpoes were involved in this crime and there is no way they can cover it up.  Deepak's own words killed any alibi they will come up with.

This is just my opinion.  I don't not believe Joran met some guy and he spilled the beans to him because he found the guy fascinating.

[Tylergal]

Good Morning...Interesting posts to read back on.

Tyler...the bathtub....maybe Val needs to tell the truth

Spock...IIRC the judges were bought over from Curacao as they would be impartial...LOL

IMO....There is no way that Joran and one other are involved in this. All the pimps that met at the Racquet Club at least were involved.

There may be one or two out there that we haven't even touched on. I don't believe Aruba is going to let this 'house of cards' fall.

Anyone who believes the Kalpoes are not involved needs to ask why Nadira and Luis were interviewed on June 2nd and why the stepfather was interviewed again on June 28th along with Freddy and Lorenzo, whatever his last name really is! Somehow Luis acquired the Internet Cafe....

That's why they would not allow a search of the home but now the furniture is all gone, two housekeepers in addition to Paulus and Anita have wiped away all tracks.  It's all gone now but luminol would have found traces in Natalee in the house back then.  It's all gone now.  Clorox in the bathtub.

Did anyone see "Before and After?"  No body, no crime.

[Blue Moon]

Remember Deepak said in one of his statements "If I had known my friend was the devil himself" or something like that when describing Joran.  Don't anyone believe the Kalpoes were not involved in this.  They know what happened to Natalee and cannot be cleared of this to pursue a lawsuit in the United States.  That cannot happen to Natalee's family in her own country.  Natalee and her family deserves the support of the U.S. and these two Kalpoes deserve nothing from our country for what they did.

[Blonde]

And where are those Gottenbos boys?  IN GEROGIA

In my heart and a few others I believe Natalee was put in this bag, same bag as above that spock posted I inverted the color and flipped it.


In this close up you can see her head is cut her nose is brused, and a few cuts on her arm.


I think she ran away from them fell on some sharp cone shap rocks or they ran her over while she was trying to get away.
I brought this picture to my Dr he said it was a freah dead girl in my heart
I SEE NATALEE FACE

[Buckeye]

Would this somehow fit into the story? 

At one point in the evening Joran has Natalee at the house where she is injured, unconscious, or he has just brought her back there to rape her.  Paulus is aware that she is there whether after she becomes in a "bad" way, or before.  Joran seeks out Dada's help because he doesn't know what to do with her at this point.  He wants her back at the hotel to catch her plane in the morning so she can be like the other 2O times. 

Paulus suggests that he just put her on the beach and forget about her because she'l come to and then it isn't Joran's problem.  Some how Joran gets her back to the beach ( Kalpoes?) and Joran finds out she is either dead or he thinks she is dead, so he calls up Papa and asks what he should do now?  Paulus suggests the Gottenbos because he possibly knew they were already out in the boat etc.

Kalpoes are brought back intot he story because Paulus tels them of the trouble they will be in because they helped plan drugging her, as well as transporting her etc, so they lie for the Sloots.

I can see this...