Hailey Dunn #8 2/25/11 - 3/05/11

[klaasend]

Anyone else notice how she HAD to mention that NG's people called her that morning? It must have killed her to turn down her big chance to be back on national TV. And laughable that she couldn't o the interview because she didn't know anything--when has she EVER known anything?! No, this time she didn't dare go on the show because she know she'd be crucified...

And I forget who mentioned it but I bet NG would have asked if the porn fairy put it there!

Heck, I'm surprised she hasn't thrown DD under the bus for it...thank God for small favors... But hey, was Mark Fuhrman anywhere in the vicinity?! LOL

My prediction, she will lawyer up, the porn was put in the dresser by Shawn, and she never looks around in her dresser and never saw it. Now, I never look around in my dressers, and probably wouldn't have found it myself, but that's me. Also, where I was born and raised, there are just a lot of people that don't get it, yes they may think this kind of porn is bad, but would never understand it is against the law and such. Many people there just see nothing wrong with a lot of things, such as while the parents are in the bar, the kids are on the steps outside waiting. They grew up like that, and it just keeps going like that unfortunately. Could say ignorant is the cause, but I really think they know no better. And thankfully I did not grow up that way, no way, no how.

I've been thinking the same.  And she'll wish she would have kept her big mouth shut all along...but it's too late!  She's admitted SHE KNEW it was there, and that SHAWN brought it there.  Her words and deeds will come back to haunt her.  THANK GOODNESS!  JMO

It's the bestiality part that gets me even more than the porn.

[no rose colored glasses]

For me also Klaas   

[BabsKats]

Ok, just gonna toss this thought out there - WHAT IF Shawn had/made connections into the world of child trafficing, hooked up with these pervs and "sold" Hailey?  He walked off his job that morning for whatever reason, boss said he was a good employee, no problems etc.

There doesn't seem any rush to go back to work for either of them, talk about donated van, new TV, his truck suddenly seemed to be running and whatever else has transpired that we have no knowledge of. 

She insists that Hailey is alive, which we hear from all parents when their child goes missing but perhaps in this case it could be or was true?

[no rose colored glasses]

Ok, just gonna toss this thought out there - WHAT IF Shawn had/made connections into the world of child trafficing, hooked up with these pervs and "sold" Hailey?  He walked off his job that morning for whatever reason, boss said he was a good employee, no problems etc.

There doesn't seem any rush to go back to work for either of them, talk about donated van, new TV, his truck suddenly seemed to be running and whatever else has transpired that we have no knowledge of. 

She insists that Hailey is alive, which we hear from all parents when their child goes missing but perhaps in this case it could be or was true?

You could very well be right 

[Tamikosmom]

Up until now ... I believe that Billie actions have been immoral in her attempt to  distance Shawn from implication in the disappearance of her daughter but ... not illegal.  With the revelation of the pornography which was found in her home ... I believe that a high power attorney will emerge and ... that will be the last we will hear out of Billie's mouth.

Janet

What are the implications for Christina Walker in regards to the images from on the computer ... the computer taken from her home.

Janet

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Documents: Hailey Dunn's iPod, Other Electronics Seized
Thursday, January 13 2011

Another search warrant seized a computer and hard drive from the home of Adkins' mother, Christina Walker, in Big Spring.  The attached affidavit states Shawn Adkins had spent time on the computer.  Walker agreed to let investigators search the computer on Dec. 30, two days after Hailey was reported missing.  Police downloaded thee contents of the computer, and when Walker told Ofc. Alexander that she was coming to pick it up on Jan. 5, the computer was placed into evidence, the affidavit said.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=331216

[yuknomenot]

Has it ever been confirmed exactly where BD's and SA's paths first crossed on the internet?  In light of this latest news, the answer could be enlightening.

[Tamikosmom]

Ok, just gonna toss this thought out there - WHAT IF Shawn had/made connections into the world of child trafficing, hooked up with these pervs and "sold" Hailey?  He walked off his job that morning for whatever reason, boss said he was a good employee, no problems etc.

There doesn't seem any rush to go back to work for either of them, talk about donated van, new TV, his truck suddenly seemed to be running and whatever else has transpired that we have no knowledge of. 

She insists that Hailey is alive, which we hear from all parents when their child goes missing but perhaps in this case it could be or was true?

When I consider that the weather was cold and Hailey's jacket and shoes where found in the home ... I suspect that Shawn retrieved a deceased Hailey from her bed between 6:35 AM and 7:00 AM on the morning of December 27th immediately following Billie's departure to work.

Janet

[4 Donks]

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346796

Hailey Dunn's Grandmother Arrested on Drug Charge

 ::snipping2::

According to publicdata.com, Ostrander has a history of arrests including three DWIs, assault, theft, and possession of marijuana.

[no rose colored glasses]

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346796

Hailey Dunn's Grandmother Arrested on Drug Charge

 ::snipping2::

According to publicdata.com, Ostrander has a history of arrests including three DWIs, assault, theft, and possession of marijuana.

And over and over this lifestyle continues  a lot of people don't break lose from it and better themselves, I really think that when Billie says she is a good mom, she really believes that.

[BabsKats]

Ok, just gonna toss this thought out there - WHAT IF Shawn had/made connections into the world of child trafficing, hooked up with these pervs and "sold" Hailey?  He walked off his job that morning for whatever reason, boss said he was a good employee, no problems etc.

There doesn't seem any rush to go back to work for either of them, talk about donated van, new TV, his truck suddenly seemed to be running and whatever else has transpired that we have no knowledge of. 

She insists that Hailey is alive, which we hear from all parents when their child goes missing but perhaps in this case it could be or was true?

When I consider that the weather was cold and Hailey's jacket and shoes where found in the home ... I suspect that Shawn retrieved a deceased Hailey from her bed between 6:35 AM and 7:00 AM on the morning of December 27th immediately following Billie's departure to work.

Janet

How did he remove her from the house?   Seems the neighbors didn't miss to much in the comings and goings from that house.  If he'd put her in the car in the dark wee hours wouldn't the scent dogs have picked up something from the car if she'd been deceased?

 If she was still alive but perhaps drugged there would be no death scent, he could have passed her off to someone in his travels that morning?

If she was in the car when he went to work he'd be risking being pulled over, in these small towns in Texas LE are "here" just waiting, see it every day..  I'm sure he was well known in the area and if he was being extra cautious driving that would draw attention, how couldn't he be concerned about being caught?   I don't know just seems whatever scenario used it was high risk getting her out of the house at whatever time and transporting to where ever.

[4 Donks]

Ok, just gonna toss this thought out there - WHAT IF Shawn had/made connections into the world of child trafficing, hooked up with these pervs and "sold" Hailey?  He walked off his job that morning for whatever reason, boss said he was a good employee, no problems etc.

There doesn't seem any rush to go back to work for either of them, talk about donated van, new TV, his truck suddenly seemed to be running and whatever else has transpired that we have no knowledge of. 

She insists that Hailey is alive, which we hear from all parents when their child goes missing but perhaps in this case it could be or was true?

When I consider that the weather was cold and Hailey's jacket and shoes where found in the home ... I suspect that Shawn retrieved a deceased Hailey from her bed between 6:35 AM and 7:00 AM on the morning of December 27th immediately following Billie's departure to work.

Janet

How did he remove her from the house?   Seems the neighbors didn't miss to much in the comings and goings from that house.  If he'd put her in the car in the dark wee hours wouldn't the scent dogs have picked up something from the car if she'd been deceased?

 If she was still alive but perhaps drugged there would be no death scent, he could have passed her off to someone in his travels that morning?

If she was in the car when he went to work he'd be risking being pulled over, in these small towns in Texas LE are "here" just waiting, see it every day..  I'm sure he was well known in the area and if he was being extra cautious driving that would draw attention, how couldn't he be concerned about being caught?   I don't know just seems whatever scenario used it was high risk getting her out of the house at whatever time and transporting to where ever.

Maybe he took a lesson from KC and put her drugged in the trunk.

[Tamikosmom]

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346796

Hailey Dunn's Grandmother Arrested on Drug Charge

 ::snipping2::

According to publicdata.com, Ostrander has a history of arrests including three DWIs, assault, theft, and possession of marijuana.

 

[Titch]

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346796

Hailey Dunn's Grandmother Arrested on Drug Charge

 ::snipping2::

According to publicdata.com, Ostrander has a history of arrests including three DWIs, assault, theft, and possession of marijuana.

 

Yeah, somebody posted that at the beginning of this case. Maybe it was in thread 1 or thread 2? I don't remember the actual screen schot being posted, though, only the info. For some reason I thought pills were mentioned as well as cannabis. I'm not positive, maybe I'm confusing the info in my head?

[Titch]

This is my first futile attempt at a "different" missing children's poster:

[Titch]

Accck! Photobucket automatically resized it and it washed out the picture definition and vibrant coloring!

[Titch]

I read Connie was arrested for Possession of a Controlled Substance - Penalty Group 1:

http://www.fastlaws.com/index.php?id=txhs481_115

Sec. 481.115. Offense: Possession of Substance in Penalty Group 1.
(a) Except as authorized by this chapter, a person commits an offense if the person knowingly or intentionally possesses a controlled substance listed in Penalty Group 1, unless the person obtained the substance directly from or under a valid prescription or order of a practitioner acting in the course of professional practice.
(b) An offense under Subsection (a) is a state jail felony if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, less than one gram.
(c) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the third degree if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, one gram or more but less than four grams.
(d) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the second degree if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, four grams or more but less than 200 grams.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the first degree if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, 200 grams or more but less than 400 grams.
(f) An offense under Subsection (a) is punishable by imprisonment in the institutional division of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for life or for a term of not more than 99 years or less than 10 years, and a fine not to exceed $100,000, if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, 400 grams or more.

[Gypsy DD]

Anyone else notice how she HAD to mention that NG's people called her that morning? It must have killed her to turn down her big chance to be back on national TV. And laughable that she couldn't o the interview because she didn't know anything--when has she EVER known anything?! No, this time she didn't dare go on the show because she know she'd be crucified...

And I forget who mentioned it but I bet NG would have asked if the porn fairy put it there!

Heck, I'm surprised she hasn't thrown DD under the bus for it...thank God for small favors... But hey, was Mark Fuhrman anywhere in the vicinity?! LOL

My prediction, she will lawyer up, the porn was put in the dresser by Shawn, and she never looks around in her dresser and never saw it. Now, I never look around in my dressers, and probably wouldn't have found it myself, but that's me. Also, where I was born and raised, there are just a lot of people that don't get it, yes they may think this kind of porn is bad, but would never understand it is against the law and such. Many people there just see nothing wrong with a lot of things, such as while the parents are in the bar, the kids are on the steps outside waiting. They grew up like that, and it just keeps going like that unfortunately. Could say ignorant is the cause, but I really think they know no better. And thankfully I did not grow up that way, no way, no how.

I've been thinking the same.  And she'll wish she would have kept her big mouth shut all along...but it's too late!  She's admitted SHE KNEW it was there, and that SHAWN brought it there.  Her words and deeds will come back to haunt her.  THANK GOODNESS!  JMO

I am wondering if David knew about the porn and Hailey too.  If David knew he may have tipped off the LE.  I would also think the children would have known of any drug use by the adults, and even their grandmother FTLOG.

[Titch]

Anyone else notice how she HAD to mention that NG's people called her that morning? It must have killed her to turn down her big chance to be back on national TV. And laughable that she couldn't o the interview because she didn't know anything--when has she EVER known anything?! No, this time she didn't dare go on the show because she know she'd be crucified...

And I forget who mentioned it but I bet NG would have asked if the porn fairy put it there!

Heck, I'm surprised she hasn't thrown DD under the bus for it...thank God for small favors... But hey, was Mark Fuhrman anywhere in the vicinity?! LOL

My prediction, she will lawyer up, the porn was put in the dresser by Shawn, and she never looks around in her dresser and never saw it. Now, I never look around in my dressers, and probably wouldn't have found it myself, but that's me. Also, where I was born and raised, there are just a lot of people that don't get it, yes they may think this kind of porn is bad, but would never understand it is against the law and such. Many people there just see nothing wrong with a lot of things, such as while the parents are in the bar, the kids are on the steps outside waiting. They grew up like that, and it just keeps going like that unfortunately. Could say ignorant is the cause, but I really think they know no better. And thankfully I did not grow up that way, no way, no how.

I've been thinking the same.  And she'll wish she would have kept her big mouth shut all along...but it's too late!  She's admitted SHE KNEW it was there, and that SHAWN brought it there.  Her words and deeds will come back to haunt her.  THANK GOODNESS!  JMO

I am wondering if David knew about the porn and Hailey too.  If David knew he may have tipped off the LE.  I would also think the children would have known of any drug use by the adults, and even their grandmother FTLOG.

I agree. Those poor kids. It's all just sooo despicable.

[Titch]

I found this on a criminal defense attorney site, but it's informative so I'm posting it. We can refer back it if another drug offense shall arise in the future...especially considering we've heard Billie's sold cocaine:

http://www.pevetolaw.com/drug-charges/drugs-punishment-ranges-possession-controlled-substance

Drugs - Punishment Ranges for Possession of a Controlled Substance

Possession of Controlled Substance punishment ranges are set out in Sections 481.115, 481.116, 481.117, and 481.118, Texas Health and Safety Code, which vary the offense and punishment based upon two factors: the type of drug (which schedule it is listed under) and the quantity of the drug involved in the offense. Section 481.032, Texas Health and Safety Code, contains long lists of drugs that are in schedules 1, 1-A, 2, 3, 4, and 5. Additional controlled substances are added to these schedules each year.


Drugs in Penalty Group 1 – Punishment Ranges
 
    Section 481.115, Texas Health and Safety Code, deals with Penalty Group 1 drug offenses: less than 1 gram is a state jail felony; more than 1 gram and less than 4 grams is a 3rd degree felony; more than 4 grams and less than 200 grams is a 2nd degree felony; more than 200 grams and less than 400 grams is a 1st degree felony; more than 400 grams is life imprisonment or a term of 10 to 99 years and up to a $100,000 fine.
 

Drugs in Penalty Group 1A – Punishment Ranges

    Section 481.1151, Texas Health and Safety Code, deals with Penalty Group 1-A drug offenses: number of abuse units less than 20 is a state jail felony; number of abuse units more than 20 and less than 80 is a 3rd degree felony; number of abuse units more than 80 and less than 4000 is a 2nd degree felony; more than 4000 units and less than 8000 units is a 1st degree felony; and more than 8000 units is life imprisonment or a term of 15 to 99 years and up to a $250,000 fine.


Drugs in Penalty Group 2 – Punishment Ranges

    Section 481.116, Texas Health and Safety Code, deals with Penalty Group 2 drug offenses: less than 1 gram is a state jail felony; more than 1 gram and less than 4 grams is a 3rd degree felony; more than 4 grams and less than 400 grams is a 2nd degree felony; and more than 400 grams is life imprisonment or a term of 5 to 99 years and up to a $50,000 fine.

 
Drugs in Penalty Group 3 – Punishment Ranges
    Section 481.117, Texas Health and Safety Code, deals with Penalty Group 3 drug offenses: less than 28 grams is a Class A misdemeanor; more than 28 grams and less than 200 grams is a 3rd degree felony; more than 200 grams and less than 400 grams is a 2nd degree felony; and more than 400 grams is life imprisonment or a term of 5 to 99 years and up to a $50,000 fine.

 
Drugs in Penalty Group 4 – Punishment Ranges
 
    Section 481.118, Texas Health and Safety Code, deals with Penalty Group 4 drug offenses: less than 28 grams is a Class B misdemeanor; more than 28 grams and less than 200 grams is a 3rd degree felony; more than 200 grams and less than 400 grams is a 2nd degree felony; more than 400 grams is life imprisonment or a term of 5 to 99 years and up to a $50,000 fine.

[Cappuccino]

Ok, just gonna toss this thought out there - WHAT IF Shawn had/made connections into the world of child trafficing, hooked up with these pervs and "sold" Hailey?  He walked off his job that morning for whatever reason, boss said he was a good employee, no problems etc.

There doesn't seem any rush to go back to work for either of them, talk about donated van, new TV, his truck suddenly seemed to be running and whatever else has transpired that we have no knowledge of. 

She insists that Hailey is alive, which we hear from all parents when their child goes missing but perhaps in this case it could be or was true?

When I consider that the weather was cold and Hailey's jacket and shoes where found in the home ... I suspect that Shawn retrieved a deceased Hailey from her bed between 6:35 AM and 7:00 AM on the morning of December 27th immediately following Billie's departure to work.

Janet

How did he remove her from the house?   Seems the neighbors didn't miss to much in the comings and goings from that house.  If he'd put her in the car in the dark wee hours wouldn't the scent dogs have picked up something from the car if she'd been deceased?

 If she was still alive but perhaps drugged there would be no death scent, he could have passed her off to someone in his travels that morning?

If she was in the car when he went to work he'd be risking being pulled over, in these small towns in Texas LE are "here" just waiting, see it every day..  I'm sure he was well known in the area and if he was being extra cautious driving that would draw attention, how couldn't he be concerned about being caught?   I don't know just seems whatever scenario used it was high risk getting her out of the house at whatever time and transporting to where ever.

Maybe he took a lesson from KC and put her drugged in the trunk.

And Shawn claimed to have turned in his work uniform...we know he didnt get fired so that is a lie, so why wouldnt him turning in work gear be a lie too?   It could have very well needed to dispose of it for other reasons, like destroying evidence.

There have been people taken right off a street in broad daylight without anyone being able to identify what happened so NOTHING would shock me