Natalee Case Discussion #723 2/05/08

[MsVada]

posted at ru: wow - where do they get this stuff from?

jenna Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:05 am    
Was Natalee busted for drugs?

I keep thinking that Natalee was busted for drugs. If nobody straightened that out, then the Arubans apply the law to everyone equally. Has Natalee been in jail serving her sentence? What is the sentence in Aruba for having enough in your possession to look like you are a drug dealer?  

and then people actually entertain there crack-induced theories.
jenna Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:37 am   
Re: Was Natalee busted for drugs?

Pronkjewail wrote:


What do you mean? Serving a sentence during those 5 days she was there?

I think that if Natalee was busted with drugs, this would have surfaced a long time ago..


I started believing at the first of the case that it seemed like there was an sting operation involving corruption, things like prostitution,trafficking, drugs, money laundering, that had targeted the MEP government of Aruba that probably started around May 2004. When Joran confessed to the exact same types of things that seemed to be on this agenda, then it confirms my thinking.

Natalee may have been a decoy for this agenda. We know from tapes that Natalee seemed to have very little interest in her classmates on this trip. She was very independent and interacting with other people not in her group. It is possible that she hooked up with undercover cops who saw her as performing criminal type activity.

If nobody ever straightened that out, then any attempt to allow Natalee to leave Aruban jurisdiction would have ended up as no choice but to incarcerate her. That might leave two choices for what happened to Natalee:

1. She had to serve time for drugs.
2. She ran after she got to Curacao because she knew that she was not cleared and she would be arrested there.
 

After reading much of what Jenna posts on RU I feel that SHE is the one on drugs. She is always coming up with the nuttiest ideas! 

That is the biggest canoshito I have ever heard.......

Jenna must have been smoking crack to come up with that 

[Blonde]

June 11, 2005
Natalee Holloway Update - reports out that Natalee is dead (Updated x 5) (photo links)
Topics: Natalee Holloway

Several updates are out on the Natalee Holloway disappearance - and according to most news sources, Natalee is dead - and from a blogger, Joran Van der Sloot is not in his cell. Reports continue to go back and forth on the confession issue, as do the reports of a search for Natalee's body. Sadly, It's still blow by blow posting, perhaps to continue through most of the night.

Latest Updates are at bottom of this post - See "Something Bad Has Happened" (hat tip - Scared Monkeys).

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_3.php
Natalie,  may you rest in peace!

Aruban Radio Report: Searching Canashito River For Natalee Holloway(via Riehl World View)

New Details Emerge Surround Missing Teen In Aruba - she was "fondled intimately," could this be a clue that she may have been forced and ....

According to police in Aruba, one of three young men who took a missing Alabama honors student to the beach confessed that "something bad" happened to the 18-year-old American.(19 minutes ago)

CNN - Aruba suspect confesses to killing teen. The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said. Police did not say which of the three confessed. The three have been identified as brothers Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Depak Kalpoe, 21, and their friend, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of a judge.

WBRC - Local Birmingham TV is reporting that the family is going to the lighthouse area to look for the body. Mai Martinez reporting live says that they were at the lighthouse but now are heading to police station.

MSNBC - ORANJESTAD, Aruba - One of three young men who took a missing Alabama honors student to the beach confessed that “something bad” happened to the 18-year-old American, police say.

Yahoo - An unidentified friend of Natalee Holloway signs a ‘wall of hope’ erected for the missing Alabama teen in Mountain Brook, Ala., on Friday, June 10, 2005. Holloway disappeared in Aruba on May 30 during a senior graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. (AP Photo/Jay Reeves)

Dan at Riehl World View writes that amid reports that one of those arrested will lead police to the body tonight, he has received a reliable report from a local source in Aruba that Joran Van der Sloot is not in his cell at this time. He offers that while that does not confirm Joran Van der Sloot is the individual that confessed, the information was passed on in a manner suggesting it is quite possible that is why he is not currently in his cell. Developing.

[blah]

Good Morning... and thank God Justice looks a step closer.

I firmly believe that the ALE must get Joran behind bars as soon as possible. Not because he's guilty, because he certainly is. But, because this thing is about to spiral out of control and go nuclear. In my view it already has, but in the myopic view of the idiots controlling Rooba, they think they might be able to give it one more go. They're too stupid to know when to fold 'em.

Joran is one click from "hand in pocket" or arrested. Either way, the ALE and Aruban Authorities are extremely worried that Joran is about to blow the lid on the entire cover-up.

"hand in pocket" is fine with me!!

in fact, do his whole damn family, they all STINK!

[Helen Back]

Karen Ackers is dirty!

has her name changed?  did i miss something?

[Lala'sMom]

van der Straaten knew Natalee was dead...he had seen the evidence.  If this is a true statement by him then which is correct?

1. There was blood all over Deepak's car as the FBI stated to Beth and Jug.
2. He had personally seen Natalee dead.
3. Joran confessed that she had a seizure and died on him.

He said he had seen....HAD SEEN what? If Joran and boat guy had Natalee removed by 2:00 AM that morning...where did van der Straaten see something that told him Natalee was no longer with us? 

"He is a person I have known since I was 5 years old."

"How can I do this to my best friend's son?"

[Kermit]

[Tamikosmom]

Transcript posted by Heli at RU of last nights Greta:

On The Record
February 4, 2008

Jossy Mansur
Joe Tacopina
John Q Kelly


Who is the man that Joran identifies as the person who dumped Natalee's body in the ocean?

Jossy:

What we found out today about that is that there are two persons that go by the same name and one of them is in Aruba, he had a press conference today in the office of his lawyer, we were present there, and the one who was there has vehemently denied having anything to do with Joran that night, the boat or throwing a body overboard

Greta:

How about #2, the other person?

Jossy:

Prosecutor claims to have identified him and located him so far

Greta:

Does he say #2, which is it? #1 who allegedly did the body dumping or #2 of Natalee?

Jossy:

#1 denied everything today, so #2 is the one that they're looking for

Greta:

Do you have anymore information about the second person and I guess the name is Daury, is that the name?

Jossy:

Yeah, D-a-u-r-y

Greta:

Do you know anything about this other person?

Jossy:

No, we don't know anything about either one of them. The one who is here now we know was born in Curacao, he lived there for awhile, he lived in Aruba for awhile and then moved on to Holland

Greta:

And I guess as of May of 2005 this first Daury was not in Aruba, at least that's what's being said tonight. Is that correct?

Jossy:

That's correct, not during that month that this took place

Greta:

So now the hunt is on for Daury #2. Does the prosecutor have any leads as to who he might be?

Jossy:

They know who he is, they know where he is. Whether they've contacted him so far, I don't know

The "Daury" who Joran referred to in the video recording has been identified.  This guy was a guest on the 20/20 special last night.

Janet

+++++++++++++

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1

Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
Man Named As Accomplice By Van der Sloot Denies Involvement in Aruba Disappearance

By ELIZABETH VARGAS & CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Feb. 4, 2008

A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot's who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway's body out to sea in a boat and dumped it.

"She said, 'I got your number from Joran, because he said your name is going to show up in the press, but I know it's not true. It doesn't fit the story, so you've got to do something about it. You've got to give me proof [of his whereabouts in May 2005], so I can put it in the newspaper ... here in Holland."

ABC News has obtained exclusive U.S. rights to stunning new information about the case, caught on tape, and will air a 90-minute special edition of "20/20: The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway," Monday at 9:30 p.m. ET.

Rodriguez, who grew up on Aruba and played soccer with Van der Sloot when both men were teenagers, said he was angry that his name had been dragged into the case. He said he met with detectives investigating Holloway's disappearance on Monday morning, and that he told them he was living in Rotterdam, Holland in May 2005, when Holloway went missing.

Rodriguez retained an Aruban lawyer when he realized he was implicated in the case, and said he asked the biographer to put him in touch with Van der Sloot, but she refused.

Van der Sloot apparently logged on to an online instant messaging service over the weekend, and Rodriguez said he confronted him and demanded to know why he'd been named as an accomplice. "So, I was online, and he comes online, and I was like, 'Yo, what's wrong with you, man. Why did you do that?' And he's like, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't know what I was talking about. I'm so sorry.' And I said, you know, 'What the f---? Sorry? Don't say that! That's [b.s.]. You're putting me in trouble for nothing.'"

Rodriguez said he played soccer with Van der Sloot when the pair were about 16 years old, and that, while he knew him as an acquaintance, he would never call him a friend.

He said they played poker together at a local casino late last year after Van der Sloot was released from his second arrest.

Rodriguez's attorney Chris Lejuez said his client was born in Colombia, but moved to Aruba as a child when his mother married an Aruban man. Lejuez said Rodriguez moved to Rotterdam to attend trade school in 2004, and stayed on through June or July of 2007, working there. Rodriguez returned to Aruba in January and December of 2005 for vacation, but was not on the island for months before or after Holloway's disappearance.

He told ABC News he never owned a boat. "I never had one, and I don't have one,'' he said.

Asked how he could prove his whereabouts during 2005, Rodriguez said that ATMs he had used in Rotterdam could show he was there in May 2005.

Lejuez said he provided investigators with the name of the trade school Rodriguez had attended and the company he later worked for in Rotterdam.

[Peaches]

Karen Ackers is dirty!

Who is she?

[Lala'sMom]

June 11, 2005
Natalee Holloway Update - reports out that Natalee is dead (Updated x 5) (photo links)
Topics: Natalee Holloway

Several updates are out on the Natalee Holloway disappearance - and according to most news sources, Natalee is dead - and from a blogger, Joran Van der Sloot is not in his cell. Reports continue to go back and forth on the confession issue, as do the reports of a search for Natalee's body. Sadly, It's still blow by blow posting, perhaps to continue through most of the night.

Latest Updates are at bottom of this post - See "Something Bad Has Happened" (hat tip - Scared Monkeys).

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_3.php
Natalie,  may you rest in peace!

Aruban Radio Report: Searching Canashito River For Natalee Holloway(via Riehl World View)

New Details Emerge Surround Missing Teen In Aruba - she was "fondled intimately," could this be a clue that she may have been forced and ....

According to police in Aruba, one of three young men who took a missing Alabama honors student to the beach confessed that "something bad" happened to the 18-year-old American.(19 minutes ago)

CNN - Aruba suspect confesses to killing teen. The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said. Police did not say which of the three confessed. The three have been identified as brothers Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Depak Kalpoe, 21, and their friend, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of a judge.

WBRC - Local Birmingham TV is reporting that the family is going to the lighthouse area to look for the body. Mai Martinez reporting live says that they were at the lighthouse but now are heading to police station.

MSNBC - ORANJESTAD, Aruba - One of three young men who took a missing Alabama honors student to the beach confessed that “something bad” happened to the 18-year-old American, police say.

Yahoo - An unidentified friend of Natalee Holloway signs a ‘wall of hope’ erected for the missing Alabama teen in Mountain Brook, Ala., on Friday, June 10, 2005. Holloway disappeared in Aruba on May 30 during a senior graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. (AP Photo/Jay Reeves)

Dan at Riehl World View writes that amid reports that one of those arrested will lead police to the body tonight, he has received a reliable report from a local source in Aruba that Joran Van der Sloot is not in his cell at this time. He offers that while that does not confirm Joran Van der Sloot is the individual that confessed, the information was passed on in a manner suggesting it is quite possible that is why he is not currently in his cell. Developing.

And where was he going to take them to find her body?  Somewhere besides the ocean perhaps?

[Buckeye]

Karen Ackers is dirty!

Who is she?

The American consulate representative on Curacao, now transfered.  She was pictured outside Joran's house when he was released.

[Helen Back]

Karen Ackers is dirty!

Who is she?

Not surprised, but can you talk about this?

[Anna]

Then who is this picture from

My friend sweer that this is lorenzo...

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/lorenzo-van-rijn.html

Last update on that site appears to be November, 2005.  Lots of misinformation there as well.

[blah]

Posted by DutchDad at BFN:

NEWSARTICLE - the situation in Holland.

Joran will go to the police to make a statement on Thursday.He is now talking to his lawyer about how to do this juridically. He does not want to say what he is going to declare or if he even will make a confession.

The 20-year old is now offifially a suspect in the murder-case of natalee Holloway. According to the OM about 80% of what he said on the DeVries tapes matches with what the OM had already discovered.

Meanwhile the suspect is travelling from one hideout to the other. For his safety he had not been sleeping in his own student-appartment for some time now.
Also his second hideout proved to be unsafe fairly quickly.

VDSloot claims that someone close to the OM has warned him that there are serious death-threats.
Therefor the suspect again moved to another hideout on sundayafternoon. The OM did not want to comment on it.

On the personal Hyves-page of Joran the threats are are coming in in hundreds.
"Bianca"wants to "feed him to the sharks" , "Jennifer" has "a bullet reserved with his name on it" and "Saar"is "puking over the biggest bastard ever".
"Mark" even takes it a step further:"why don't you kill yourself , you son of a bitch!"

An "Anti-Joran Site" and a "Joran must die site" were removed by the ISP's by the end of the day.

On saturday Joran was not very impressed by the new developments. Sitting in his hideout he said:"Police haven't come to get me , did they?"

On friday he went out to party and it was his intention to do the same on saturday. But his family told him that was not such a good idea......
After the DeVries show was on tv Joran said in a chatsession that he might have to leave the country. But still the seriousness of the matter did not seem to get him. "A lot of people are angry , so what".

His parents were given the advice to go to a hideout too , but they refused to leave their house. They have not officially reacted on the developments up till now.
In the meantime everyone in the Netherlands is in pursuit of the suspect. Lots of people gathered in front of a house in Drachten which was  believed to be one of his hideouts.

Even the 26 year old Johan , who lives there received death-threats. The people living in the appartmentbuilding wre threatened so much that they decided to to hire securityguards

The OM appeals the decision of the judge to deny the arrest of the suspect. According to the OM there is enough evidence to pick him up. The OM says that the moment Joran sets foot on Aruban soil , he will be arrested.

Mondaynight Hans Mos stated that the chance the DeVries tapes would be admissible in court was very big. According to Mos the recordings were made by a civilian without any cooperation of the authorities , and because of theat there are no judicial objections to use them. "I take this material very serious "Mos said.

Monday , on request of the Aruban authorities, the Dutch police searched the home of the suspects grandparents and also his own appartment. Whether this provided any evidence or not  is not known.
According to Joran himself the police took his laptop , the harddisk of his home-computer and they also made a copy of the sim-card of his mobile phone.

 

I LOVE IT!

GO GIT HIM DUTCHIES!!!!!!!!!!

[Anna]

Karen Ackers is dirty!

Who is she?

Not surprised, but can you talk about this?

I thought her name was Jean?  It's Karen?

.

[Kermit]

as early as

JUNE 2, 2005
Ala. Teen Vanishes in Aruba
Thursday, June 02, 2005
We don't have any indication as to if she is alive," Sambo said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158384,00.html

[Lala'sMom]

Karen Ackers is dirty!

Who is she?

Not surprised, but can you talk about this?

MUM has losts of info in the Shango thread on her...I will see if I can find it...she probably will do better than me.

[Buckeye]

Karen Ackers is dirty!

Who is she?

Not surprised, but can you talk about this?

I thought her name was Jean?  It's Karen?

.

I believe you're correct.

[Helen Back]

Klaas, you have mail when you have time.

TIA

[Buckeye]

Jean Akers from Beth's book.  Some talk here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2424.msg313481#msg313481

[crazybabyborg]

I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.

On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.

On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:

“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”

To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”

During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.

Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.

When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.

Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.


J. van der STRATEN

IMO, this statement was tailored to shift suspicion to K2. VanderStraten knew the truth, perhaps had a "hands on" with the disposal of Natalee's remains and did what he could to set K2 up should the body be found. I believe that's why we heard that Joran had a shoe/shoes missing after the apt search. VanderStraten wanted that out there and coached Joran to say K2 went back for them, placing K2 at the beach and creating the opportunity for them to have committed the crime according to where Joran's story placed her last.

Just thinking out loud here, with a different take: I'm beginning to wonder about "the blood " in Deepak's car. Was blood "covered up" or was chocolate syrup and cleaning fluid planted for others to see what appeared to be blood? The first knee-jerk reaction by Paulus could very well have been to hide EVERYTHING that would even place Natalee with Joran, so I understand the car cleaning. Paulus might not have considered the security cameras catching the car on video.

I'm having a tough time reconciling this with a girl that simply overdosed. If Patrick was going to ask Joran all he asked, I wish he had asked why Joran didn't simply call 9-1-1 when she "seized". Covering up that you were engaged in sex with her is nothing compared to this massive cover-up. She did not die from her own actions or misjudgement, of that I'm sure.