Lively Case Discussion #591 3/19 - 3/21/2007

[robots]

he is so DELICIOUS.....


GAG me with an oversized FORK

Naturally, I am sitting here catching up instead of getting ready to go.

I nearly spit coffee all over my nice new monitor!  

I thought BOR did a good job with segment.  From what we know of all the villians, I thought her analysis was right on target.

 

[Frijole]

Wanted to say good a.m. to the monks.  Have a great day.

Peaches,  will be thinking good thoughts for your 11th treatment today.  Almost there friend.  Be well.

[Hotshot]

Carpe, that FP post about the diversions.. who is Zoltan ? That is very interesting.

Hi Kat Gram

it's a Blog I stumbled upon, sorta looks like the ARUBA DIRTY POLICE
site.  The guy's  named Zoltan Zion.


http://tinyurl.com/yosgap


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GOSH, I COULD DRIVE A BUS THROUGH THESE NEXT PV'S


I REALLY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW PAULUS AND

JORAN COULD STILL BE WALKING AROUND FREE

AFTER THESE PV'S CAME OUT.

THE A.L.E. HAS NO INTEGRITY WHATSOEVER.




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PVDS 06/25/2005 STATEMENT


We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at

the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am

remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag

to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was

walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the

announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free

Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up.



***********

Seems to me they

they may have bagged & retrieved her. 8-12 mid

MONDAY EVENING MAY 30TH, 2005

Gudio and Joran have LOADS of unaccounted for time

where they even go to the Van der Sloot compound

under the guise of fetching more gambling money.

See PV from Andre below.


*************


TENNIS BAG


Joran, Paulus, Guido, and their cavorting band

of Racquetball Club Hell Hounds!


What all of them say what they are doing

and what they are really doing never seem

to match up. This must be what DUMBPIG

REFERS TO AS THE "TIMELINE BREAKDOWN"



That friggin idiot.

************



ANDRE DOS SANTOS - 06/20/2005 STATEMENT




On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”. My father has the mobile telephone number "5xxxxxx". I asked Joran if he was on his way to the Wyndham hotel casino to play in the Texas Hold’m tournament. Joran told me he was on his way there.


Around 20.30, Joran walked in to the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel. I can no longer remember how Joran was dressed when he walked into the casino. I do remember that Joran walked in by himself. I walked up to Joran and I greeted him. I saw that Joran then registered to play Texas Hold’m poker. I must say that it lasted very long before the Tournament stared. I saw that Joran played black-jack during this time. Three Card but I now no longer remember which of the two. When I started Tournament I saw that Joran sat at another table to play poker. Joran did not play long because he was eliminated very early from this poker tournament. I no longer remember what time Joran was eliminated. I saw that Joran walking around in the casino. I saw then that "Guido WEAVER" came into the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel and walked up to Joran.



I no longer remember what time Guido WEAVER arrives at the casino. Because Joran and Guido wanted to play a “live game”, they told me they went to Joran’s house to pick up money to gamble with. I no longer remember how Guido was dressed. I saw that Joran and Guido then went outside. When Joran and Guido left I was still in the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament. I estimate that it was approximately 30 or 40 minutes after Joran and Guido left the Casa Blanca casino that I was eliminated from the poker tournament. After I was eliminated, I called Guido and/or Joran on their mobile telephone. Guido has the mobile telephone with the number "5xxxxxx".



I asked to Joran and/or Guido where they were they told me they were at the casino at the Radisson hotel and would wait for me there. I told them that I would be there later. Approximately 30 minutes after I had spoken with Joran and/or Guido I left the casino at the Wyndham hotel and walked to the casino at the Radisson hotel. I estimate that the complete route lasted (10) minutes. I found Joran and Guido in the casino of the Radisson hotel and they were in a Texas Hold'm poker "Live-Game". I remained watching them gamble for a very long time. At some time I saw that "Deepak" walk into the casino and came up to us. At some time, I no longer remember the exact time, Guido, Joran and Deepak left the casino and I stayed behind. Approximately (1) one hour later, Guido returned because he had silver-plate US $100 =, chip. I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400 = and cashed in the chips immediately. I walked to the bathroom and afterwards Joran also came into the bathroom but we spoke of nothing in particular. Then Joran and Deepak left because they wanted to play black-jack at a casino in Oranjestad.

They did not tell me to which casino they would go. After Deepak and Joran were gone "Guido WEAVER" and I went home (left). On your question if Joran and Deepak spoke of picking up shoes while in the casino of the Radisson hotel, I answer you no. At absolutely no moment did I hear this. I must, however, say that Joran and Deepak did not speak in my presence with each other than when Joran cashed in his chips but I was standing at a distance when they spoke with each other. I no longer remember if Guido was with them at that time.

On your question if I had Tuesday, May 31, 2005 and on Wednesday, June 01, 2005, contact with Joran, Deepak and Satish, I answer you the following:
According to me I had called Joran on of these two days to ask him what he would be doing. You can in my phone records look at when I called Joran or he called me because I no longer remember when. I had no telephone contact with Deepak and Satish.

A day before Joran was apprehended by you, I met Joran around 19.00, at the Aruba Raquet club. I asked Joran how he felt and he told me that he felt calm because the 2 security guards had been apprehended by the police force. Joran me asked what I would do the next day because he wanted to practice basketball and further that I was invited the next evening to his Graduation Night. This was the last time that I spoke with Joran.

Its someone we all know.

[Kimmy53]

Wanted to say good a.m. to the monks.  Have a great day.

Peaches,  will be thinking good thoughts for your 11th treatment today.  Almost there friend.  Be well.

Yes Peaches, I am already praying and sending healing thoughts your way.  (((hugs)))

Hi and Bye Monkeys - catching up....

I gotta take Grandma to the Eye Dr. this a.m. - Better go - she likes to get there at least 30  mins. early, so we can sit in the waiting room...lol.  I am really looking forward to it though, Grandma is always fun.

CBB - haven't had a chance to check the Easter thread in the lounge, but I am sure excited to see my Easter finery... Thanks a bunch!

[Peaches]

I'm  really out the door now.  Thanks in advance for everyone's prayers and good thoughts.  Love you all.

[msmarple]

Today's Diario - http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/21/

One person (Hindu) apparently quaranteened with TB; others being tested ...

A hiba prueba di caso setenta empleado HINDU CU TBC A TERORIZA TUR HENDE DEN DIAMONDS INTERNATIONAL Trevor van Gellecum ta inlocalizable…

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Avalancha di yamada cu a yega cerca nos reporteronan a pone cu DIARIO a cuminsa investiga pa asina tende ki berdad tin tras di henter e rumor fuerte aki. Ta resulta cu e noticia aki ta confirma y cu tin un homber Hindu drumi den hospital despues cu pa basta dia caba e tabata afecta cue malesa contagioso TBC, esta Tuberculosis.

Un malesa cu ta pega esnan rond di e persona afecta y cual bacterianan ta keda den e atmosfera ora cu ta trata di un lugar sera. Trahadornan di Diamonds International pa basta dia tabata boga pa un compania bin desinfecta e lugar, pero esnan cu ta maneha e lugar parce di tabata masha cabez duro.

Tabata a base di yamadanan cu a drenta a pone cu e noticia aki a bati tambe na porta di departamento di malesanan contagioso.

DIARIO a busca manera di haya contacto cu director di Salubridad Publico Trevor van Gellecum, pero naturalmente manera semper pa cosnan asina nunca bo ta haye.

DIARIO a haya informacion cu e trahadornan di Diamonds International traha na un of mas sucursal situa tambe den hotelnan. Esnan cu conoce e personal di departamento di malesanan contagioso ta bisa cu nan a mira presencia di DBZ na varios di e negoshinan di Diamond International unda a tuma prueba di mas cu sesenta empleado pa asina bay test esaki den laboratorio.

Personal di departamento di malesanan contagioso segun nos por a compronde ta move rapidamente riba casonan asina pasobra esaki ta cosnan hopi serio unda bida di hende ta den wega.

Awor trahadornan ta spera cu nan bida no ta den peliger pa mal motibo di no a haya e oido necesario for di prome instante. E homber Hindu ta keda interna.

No mas cu un siman atras caba un paciente cu mesun malesa a sr manda cu urgencia pa Colombia cu Air Ambulance. Awor ya caba tin un otro paciente afecta y no ta conoci kico ta e daño cu ya caba el a comete prome cu a descubri su malesa.

Proximamente nos ta spera di haya mas informacion for di esnan di Salubridad Publico pa haya sa con serio e caso aki ta. Tambe ta spera cu den futuro por haya e director di Salubridad Publico pa e duna cuenta den casonan asina pasobra cada biaha ta core so e ta core pa duna cuenta riba situacion serio manera e ultimo aki.

And for what it's worth, the online Papamentio translation:

owing to take away proof of caso seventy employee hindu cu tbc owing to teroriza everybody in diamonds international trevor van gellecum is inlocalizable…

oranjestad(aan): avalancha of call cu owing to arrive close we reporteronan owing to place cu daily paper owing to cuminsa investiga for so hear what berdad have behind all the rumor strong here. is resulta cu the news here is confirma y cu have one man hindu sleep in hospital after cu for enough day end the was afecta cue ailment contagioso tbc, esta tuberculosis.

one ailment cu is stick esnan rond of the person afecta y cual bacterianan is stay in the atmosfera hour cu is deal of one lugar close. trahadornan of diamonds international for enough day was boga for one compania come desinfecta the lugar, but esnan cu is maneha the lugar seems of was very cabez duro.

was owing to base of yamadanan cu owing to enter owing to place cu the news here owing to beat also at door of departamento of malesanan contagioso.
daily paper owing to busca as of achieve contacto cu director of salubridad publico trevor van gellecum, but naturally as always for cosnan so never are you haye.

daily paper owing to achieve informacion cu the trahadornan of diamonds international work at one or more sucursal situa also in hotelnan. esnan cu conoce the personal of departamento of malesanan contagioso is tell cu they owing to see presencia of dbz at several of the negoshinan of diamond international where did take proof of more cu sixty employee for so bay test this in laboratory.
personal of departamento of malesanan contagioso according we can owing to compronde is actuate rapidamente on casonan so because this is cosnan much earnest where life of person is in game.

now trahadornan is wait for cu they life do not in danger for bad motibo of not owing to achieve the oido necesario for of first instant. he hindu is stay interna. come across

[Cat]

I have a cure that always works on acne like joran.Wayfarin.100% effective.The duck was real tasty and I gave its liver to the French Bulldog down the street.Take care,the cat

[sb]

An employee (?) of Diamonds Int'l found to have TB. Isn't that what it says? And the rumor is running rampant on the island that this is the start of an outbreak... the head of the Health Dept. can't be reached for comment?

So much for me trying to translate pap with my limited Spanish knowledge.

Anyway, y'all have a great day!

[San]

After watching the Body Language Expert last night on BOR the one thing I did disagree with was the shrugging of the shoulders.

Tonya said:

"You know the constant shoulder shrug also, that’s almost a protective gesture. It can be seen as either a little bit submissive but it’s also protecting yourself."[/list]

I take shrugging of the shoulders as an I don't care what happened.  How many times has someone told you something and you shrug your shoulders to mean so what, big deal or who cares.

This is exactly what Joran was saying that he didn't care.  Sort of like he said she wanted to stay on the beach and what does he do shrugs his shoulders like saying so I left her there.  We all know this is a lie because he was never at the beach so he really didn't care.

[Cat]

I want to say on Basketball,we do have Montevallo Alum in our group.and they are in the elite 8.If he and guido are that close,maybe Bud lite is the beer of choice for ac/dc rapist murders.Jmo,I still the vds family could do the honorable thing,if they had honor.CAT

[carpe noctem]

Carpe, that FP post about the diversions.. who is Zoltan ? That is very interesting.

Hi Kat Gram

it's a Blog I stumbled upon, sorta looks like the ARUBA DIRTY POLICE
site.  The guy's  named Zoltan Zion.


http://tinyurl.com/yosgap


--------------------------


GOSH, I COULD DRIVE A BUS THROUGH THESE NEXT PV'S


I REALLY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW PAULUS AND

JORAN COULD STILL BE WALKING AROUND FREE

AFTER THESE PV'S CAME OUT.

THE A.L.E. HAS NO INTEGRITY WHATSOEVER.




<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


PVDS 06/25/2005 STATEMENT


We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at

the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am

remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag

to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was

walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the

announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free

Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up.



***********

Seems to me they

they may have bagged & retrieved her. 8-12 mid

MONDAY EVENING MAY 30TH, 2005

Gudio and Joran have LOADS of unaccounted for time

where they even go to the Van der Sloot compound

under the guise of fetching more gambling money.

See PV from Andre below.


*************


TENNIS BAG


Joran, Paulus, Guido, and their cavorting band

of Racquetball Club Hell Hounds!


What all of them say what they are doing

and what they are really doing never seem

to match up. This must be what DUMBPIG

REFERS TO AS THE "TIMELINE BREAKDOWN"



That friggin idiot.

************



ANDRE DOS SANTOS - 06/20/2005 STATEMENT




On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”. My father has the mobile telephone number "5xxxxxx". I asked Joran if he was on his way to the Wyndham hotel casino to play in the Texas Hold’m tournament. Joran told me he was on his way there.


Around 20.30, Joran walked in to the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel. I can no longer remember how Joran was dressed when he walked into the casino. I do remember that Joran walked in by himself. I walked up to Joran and I greeted him. I saw that Joran then registered to play Texas Hold’m poker. I must say that it lasted very long before the Tournament stared. I saw that Joran played black-jack during this time. Three Card but I now no longer remember which of the two. When I started Tournament I saw that Joran sat at another table to play poker. Joran did not play long because he was eliminated very early from this poker tournament. I no longer remember what time Joran was eliminated. I saw that Joran walking around in the casino. I saw then that "Guido WEAVER" came into the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel and walked up to Joran.



I no longer remember what time Guido WEAVER arrives at the casino. Because Joran and Guido wanted to play a “live game”, they told me they went to Joran’s house to pick up money to gamble with. I no longer remember how Guido was dressed. I saw that Joran and Guido then went outside. When Joran and Guido left I was still in the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament. I estimate that it was approximately 30 or 40 minutes after Joran and Guido left the Casa Blanca casino that I was eliminated from the poker tournament. After I was eliminated, I called Guido and/or Joran on their mobile telephone. Guido has the mobile telephone with the number "5xxxxxx".



I asked to Joran and/or Guido where they were they told me they were at the casino at the Radisson hotel and would wait for me there. I told them that I would be there later. Approximately 30 minutes after I had spoken with Joran and/or Guido I left the casino at the Wyndham hotel and walked to the casino at the Radisson hotel. I estimate that the complete route lasted (10) minutes. I found Joran and Guido in the casino of the Radisson hotel and they were in a Texas Hold'm poker "Live-Game". I remained watching them gamble for a very long time. At some time I saw that "Deepak" walk into the casino and came up to us. At some time, I no longer remember the exact time, Guido, Joran and Deepak left the casino and I stayed behind. Approximately (1) one hour later, Guido returned because he had silver-plate US $100 =, chip. I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400 = and cashed in the chips immediately. I walked to the bathroom and afterwards Joran also came into the bathroom but we spoke of nothing in particular. Then Joran and Deepak left because they wanted to play black-jack at a casino in Oranjestad.

They did not tell me to which casino they would go. After Deepak and Joran were gone "Guido WEAVER" and I went home (left). On your question if Joran and Deepak spoke of picking up shoes while in the casino of the Radisson hotel, I answer you no. At absolutely no moment did I hear this. I must, however, say that Joran and Deepak did not speak in my presence with each other than when Joran cashed in his chips but I was standing at a distance when they spoke with each other. I no longer remember if Guido was with them at that time.

On your question if I had Tuesday, May 31, 2005 and on Wednesday, June 01, 2005, contact with Joran, Deepak and Satish, I answer you the following:
According to me I had called Joran on of these two days to ask him what he would be doing. You can in my phone records look at when I called Joran or he called me because I no longer remember when. I had no telephone contact with Deepak and Satish.

A day before Joran was apprehended by you, I met Joran around 19.00, at the Aruba Raquet club. I asked Joran how he felt and he told me that he felt calm because the 2 security guards had been apprehended by the police force. Joran me asked what I would do the next day because he wanted to practice basketball and further that I was invited the next evening to his Graduation Night. This was the last time that I spoke with Joran.

Its someone we all know.

you got that right, toots!


Now look at Joran's

6/14/05 Statement to top that one.


--------



JORAN 06/14/2005 STATEMENT



After that we went home. I had gotten changed in order for me to go to tennis lesson. At approximately 17.00 pm I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club. Before the tennis lesson I was called by Deepak. He had told me that he had given his statement and that the police was on their way to pick up Satish in order for him to make his statement. Deepak also told me that he had told Satish what he had to say to the police. I had asked Deepak if he could come to the Raquet Club. He said no, that he was going to go to work now and that after that he would go and pick up Satish at Bubali. I don't think I said anything else to him. I did not go to the tennis lesson. Together with

Flor I went into the pool of the Raquet Club.

At approximately 20.00 pm, I was picked up by my father at the Raquet Club. Then we drove home.



What about the walk to
( name an Aruban Hotel with a Casino Goes Here )?


That Liar.

[carpe noctem]

CBS THE EARLY SHOW

Aruba Suspect's Parents Speak Out

PALM BEACH, Aruba, Aug. 30, 2005

Quote

"We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to do tell the truth."


Paul van der Sloot, father of suspect in Natalee Holloway case

[carpe noctem]

I want to say on Basketball,we do have Montevallo Alum in our group.and they are in the elite 8.If he and guido are that close,maybe Bud lite is the beer of choice for ac/dc rapist murders.Jmo,I still the vds family could do the honorable thing,if they had honor.CAT

     


ROFL, Cat.


Wayfarin, a little goes a long way.

[San]

CBS THE EARLY SHOW

Aruba Suspect's Parents Speak Out

PALM BEACH, Aruba, Aug. 30, 2005

Quote

"We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to do tell the truth."


Paul van der Sloot, father of suspect in Natalee Holloway case

Like father like son.

[MsVada]

you know the ole saying

"Children Learn What They Live"

[Mere]

Good morning friends....

Peaches....thinking only good thoughts...!  You are my hero...!

Been reading and lurking....get sad when I know how badly Aruba has let this case be manipulated by the individuals involved...the declining economy will stress all areas of the island...surely the Netherlands know that and have some interest in saving what they can.....

[LilPuma]

After watching the Body Language Expert last night on BOR the one thing I did disagree with was the shrugging of the shoulders.

Tonya said:

"You know the constant shoulder shrug also, that’s almost a protective gesture. It can be seen as either a little bit submissive but it’s also protecting yourself."[/list]

I take shrugging of the shoulders as an I don't care what happened.  How many times has someone told you something and you shrug your shoulders to mean so what, big deal or who cares.
This is exactly what Joran was saying that he didn't care.  Sort of like he said she wanted to stay on the beach and what does he do shrugs his shoulders like saying so I left her there.  We all know this is a lie because he was never at the beach so he really didn't care.

I just thought about it, and you are right on the money, San.  It's often an "I don't know" or "who cares" or "what difference does it make" gesture.  

[friend of monkeys]

i just think it is great that his actions are scrutinized.  ...again.

and i am still betting that no one from aruba goes to the thing in boston....but what do i know?

[friend of monkeys]

I want to say on Basketball,we do have Montevallo Alum in our group.and they are in the elite 8.If he and guido are that close,maybe Bud lite is the beer of choice for ac/dc rapist murders.Jmo,I still the vds family could do the honorable thing,if they had honor.CAT

CAT...NO...THEY HAVE NO HONOR.  THE REST OF THEIR LIVES WILL BE THE NIGHTMARE(S) THEY THEMSELVES CREATED.

[LilPuma]

An employee (?) of Diamonds Int'l found to have TB. Isn't that what it says? And the rumor is running rampant on the island that this is the start of an outbreak... the head of the Health Dept. can't be reached for comment?

So much for me trying to translate pap with my limited Spanish knowledge.

Anyway, y'all have a great day!

It sounds like it, SB.  Also seems they tested a bunch of employees there, I think.  Once we get a translation, if there is an outbreak of TB, we need to get busy letting the US travel industry know.  And Richard's group.