Natalee Case Discussion #721 2/3- 2/4/08

[Tylergal]

Okay, I don't venture into toxic waters so can someone please help me out here, who is MP16?  Is that Ramm or Reality?

At the risk of being ignored, I repeat....

[Destiny]

I am falling asleep.  Just wanted to say before I go that
Joran is 20 times the butt hole that I had thought he was,
and I have always considered his as such.
He was despicable on that tape today and if I could have
gotten my hands around his neck I would have choked him
until his one big eye and his one little eye popped right
out of his big Frankenstein head.
Nite all.

LOL...nite Magnolia

[justinsmama]

I think if we knew the whole truth it would be even more shocking that what we think might have happened. I think the Kalpoes were sexually involved (deepak said as much in an email). I think Paulus was involved from the time Natalee died. Of course Joran, called his father when his date died. We know van stratten helped to undermine the investigation and that Jahnsen deliberately arrested the security gurds when she knew they were innocent. We know the Judges are personal friends of the Sloots and changed the search warrant to restrict the search. The crime itself was uglier than we can imagine, the talk of a head wound in the initial alibi was not misdirection. It was said because they feared the body could wash up, Joran even said he was lucky the body was not found. This is a hideous crime by three suspects with a government coverup.

Did you notice DeVries never mentioned the coverup? Thats because he knows only how far he can push the real story.

I think PVS was involved even before Natalee died.  I don't think Natalee was random, I tend to believe she was chosen.

I agree. He chose her while sitting next to her at the casino. She did not seize and/or die at the beach. It happened at the Sloot compound, in the main house.

[dennisintn]

don't forget that mip6 was working at the marriott when natalee disappeared.
dennisintn
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That's true.  Mark Purcell, right?
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yes ma'am, the profane by his very existence, mark purcell.
dennisintn

[wreck]

Okay, ---- Is anyone out there even REMOTELY trying to defend joran?????????????

[justinsmama]

Okay, I don't venture into toxic waters so can someone please help me out here, who is MP16?  Is that Ramm or Reality?

At the risk of being ignored, I repeat....

I'm not certain, Tyler, but I believe MP is Reality.

[Tylergal]

don't forget that mip6 was working at the marriott when natalee disappeared.
dennisintn

That's true.  Mark Purcell, right?
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yes ma'am, the profane by his very existence, mark purcell.
dennisintn
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So can someone tell me about this person Mark Purcell (MP16, right?)?  I want to know who he is, what he does and how he figures into this.  What does he do for Marriott?  There are ways I can find out but if someone could enlighten me, it would help.

[Kiwi]

IMO, Joren can't tell his new gangsta buddy he called his daddy to help him out.  That doesn't sound very tough at all.  And after Paulus arrived, he sent Joran home.

Joran doesn't know whose boat was used.

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Anna you it that on the head. Since Paulus paid for the psychiatric treatment he would know better. Something like, the less you know the better off you will be.

[Destiny]

Very nice post Buckshot!

excuse the typos - i was on a roll.

Thanks for posting it Buckshot!....keep Rollin'

[Tylergal]

Okay, I don't venture into toxic waters so can someone please help me out here, who is MP16?  Is that Ramm or Reality?

At the risk of being ignored, I repeat....

I'm not certain, Tyler, but I believe MP is Reality.

Thanks, Justinmama, so he is not the "Ramm" person who posted here, but he is the Reality that posted at BFN and is he also MP16?

[justinsmama]

Okay, ---- Is anyone out there even REMOTELY trying to defend joran?????????????

Yup, Taco and Greta.

[Observer]

What is most troubling still to me is the real reason Natalee died,I am still quite sure it was violent and Natalee lost a lot of blood. If she OD'D they would have never gone to all this trouble. He even mentions when she died she still looked good,did he see her again later after her death? Theres only one person that fits this description to me that helped dispose of the body and had a boat.IMO

"Im prefer not to tell names,Because he has always had my back"
"Look,this friend is quite clever and he's a bit older,We have been friends since kids"
"I've never told anyone about this man.Its not easy"
"I'll never tell his name,I will take it to my grave"
"I'd give my life to help him"

[Tylergal]

Okay, ---- Is anyone out there even REMOTELY trying to defend joran?????????????

The Birkenstock war protestors of Marian County and Seattle, who carry the signs, hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

[Justice4all]

Hi Monkeys,

I was wondering why the lobster/crab cages keep coming up? Joran said his accomplice dumped her body over the boat. I just don't see them doing the gruesome act of chopping up the body of a dead girl and putting her into a trap/cage, then dumping her. I completely agree with the poster here who said daury is daddy. It makes perfect sense. No wonder Paulus was sweating so profusely onto his kitchen table when Beth and her friends were talking to him the next day. Can you imagine? Here sits the mother of the girl you just dumped into the sea! Beth said it best "Sons of Bitches".

Does Beth still like Greta? I can't believe after all the time Greta spent w/Beth she would say that she believes Joran. I can't stand Greta!!!

[dennisintn]

IMO, Joren can't tell his new gangsta buddy he called his daddy to help him out.  That doesn't sound very tough at all.  And after Paulus arrived, he sent Joran home.

Joran doesn't know whose boat was used.

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"i have people on the island"  does sound a lot more "grownup" and important than "i called daddy".
dennisintn

[Destiny]

Okay, ---- Is anyone out there even REMOTELY trying to defend joran?????????????

Yep...a few die hards still ranting about him being set-up by PVD and Beth, over on RU...it's ugly

[Observer]

don't forget that mip6 was working at the marriott when natalee disappeared.
dennisintn

That's true.  Mark Purcell, right?

yes ma'am, the profane by his very existence, mark purcell.
dennisintn
[/quote]

So can someone tell me about this person Mark Purcell (MP16, right?)?  I want to know who he is, what he does and how he figures into this.  What does he do for Marriott?  There are ways I can find out but if someone could enlighten me, it would help.
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Yes Mark is m1p6..He was a member of the IFA,AHATA,Director of operations for the Marriott and Friends of the sloots. Wife also works for AHATA. Ramm,Mark and Reality are 3 different people.
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Mark Purcell

Mark Purcell joined Interstate in 1988 as an accounting manager and gained additional financial experience in a number of related positions, culminating in director of business development.  In his new position as vice president, business development and feasibility, he will be responsible for sourcing and pursuing hotel management and acquisition opportunities.  “Mark has a proven record of success with our development and acquisitions group,” Jorns explained.  “His experience and contacts will be invaluable as we continue to expand our acquisition activities.”

He holds a bachelor’s degree from St. Bonaventure University. 

[Justice4all]

Okay, ---- Is anyone out there even REMOTELY trying to defend joran?????????????

Yep...a few die hards still ranting about him being set-up by PVD and Beth, over on RU...it's ugly

Oh brother! What is wrong with those people?

[BUCKSHOT]

Koen, Croes, and Lorenzo would be good candidates for interviewing.

Lorenzo - we just do not know much about him, other than his alleged half-blood connection to the VanderSloots. Suspicion of his involvement is only based off of his blood relationship, ownership of a boat, and criminally alleged behavior.

The gardener story, if true, would logically have to be a waiting period for Joran and company. Satish may not have been present. Deepak may have been coerced by making him feel the guilt of his poison being inside of Natalee's body and causing her death. Joran may have explained, additionally, that since his drugs had killed her that he was obligated to help dispose of her body.

How good of friends were Joran and Croes? Would Joran have needed a liason to access Croes and his resources. Liason equalling Deepak, who may have been closer friends with Croes. Gardener story could include Joran, Deepak, and Croes, waiting in Deepak's car. Satish, at home, could be helping to establish an alibi for Deepak. Natalee's deceased body would have been hidden away on the beach. Paulus would be on the way at this point. Croes had easy access to a boat and was alleged to have broken into the fisherman's huts that evening.

Koen (and Sander) would be another good choice. Parents alleged to have been out of town. Children and parents were supposedly good friends. They could have been manipulated into lending their boat. It got a very nice cleaning in the weeks thereafter. Koen seemed pretty upset about things (sleeping with parents), Mr. Gottenbos did most of the talking for his son. Sander lost his phone (if this is relevant at all).

[Lake Erie Princess]

Hi Monkeys,

I was wondering why the lobster/crab cages keep coming up? Joran said his accomplice dumped her body over the boat. I just don't see them doing the gruesome act of chopping up the body of a dead girl and putting her into a trap/cage, then dumping her. I completely agree with the poster here who said daury is daddy. It makes perfect sense. No wonder Paulus was sweating so profusely onto his kitchen table when Beth and her friends were talking to him the next day. Can you imagine? Here sits the mother of the girl you just dumped into the sea! Beth said it best "Sons of Bitches".

Does Beth still like Greta? I can't believe after all the time Greta spent w/Beth she would say that she believes Joran. I can't stand Greta!!!

I have watched Greta since time began, I think.....BUT I am done ! I have lost all respect for her. Does she have a daughter ? Does she even have a clue of WHAT Beth has been through these past 2 1/2 years ? H E L L  !I am boycotting Greta from this day forward. Let her ratings go down where they belong. She wants ratings, and IMO does not care about what she says or WHO she hurts !