Lively Case Discussion #529 10/2 - 10/7/2006

[mrs. red]

Have a good day monkeys...

keep the faith!  BBL...

[San]

all GUTLESS, no courage
kind of like the LION


doesnt take any brains, guts or heart to defend PREDATORS like JORAN

         

i dont beleive in KARMA

i prefer REVENGE

The best revenge would have been Justice for Natalee.  I would have loved to see the ALE hauling Joran's ass off to jail with his mother and father watching.  I don't see that happening anymore.  So I will agree with robots that I opt for a different kind of revenge.

It makes me sick that people are even entertaining the thought of  negotiating some kind of deal with Deepak to do an interview.  He will come to this interview spew all his lies and also make money for it.  It is just unbelievable.  I hope someone shoots him before he gets the opportunity.

[San]

it's true!!!  Can any of you imagine your 12 year-old daughter "dating" a 17 year-old guy?

No I can't imagine something like that.  Something like that would have never happened with my daughter.  Hanging out with 17 year olds when she is 12 I don't think so.  This guy is very sick in the head.  A senior in high school dating at 6th grader.

[robots]

all GUTLESS, no courage
kind of like the LION


doesnt take any brains, guts or heart to defend PREDATORS like JORAN

         

i dont beleive in KARMA

i prefer REVENGE

The best revenge would have been Justice for Natalee.  I would have loved to see the ALE hauling Joran's ass off to jail with his mother and father watching.  I don't see that happening anymore.  So I will agree with robots that I opt for a different kind of revenge.

It makes me sick that people are even entertaining the thought of  negotiating some kind of deal with Deepak to do an interview.  He will come to this interview spew all his lies and also make money for it.  It is just unbelievable.  I hope someone shoots him before he gets the opportunity.

maybe Karma really happens .....i dont know

i dont have the patience for it....seems to take too long  

Beth and Dave have been suffering and will for the rest of their lives

when some jackasses say that k2 and joran have suffered too...

there is NO comparison what so ever

as time continues, there will be some people that defended joran and k2 that will see things a little more clearly,

this is simple as pie

people TELL LIES when they are covering up something...

being skeeeeeeeeered aint good enough JORAN

im still 100 percent confident this case will be solved

[robots]

it's true!!!  Can any of you imagine your 12 year-old daughter "dating" a 17 year-old guy?

No I can't imagine something like that.  Something like that would have never happened with my daughter.  Hanging out with 17 year olds when she is 12 I don't think so.  This guy is very sick in the head.  A senior in high school dating at 6th grader.

paulus and anita were once again RIGHT on TOP off things

       

[friend of monkeys]

joran sucks  

DITTO.
Leslie---ty for the post re joran and the 12 year old.
slime

[Red]

New Front Page Post:

The Hotel occupancy rates for Curacao Highest Level in Years, Not so for Aruba … We wonder why?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/10/03/the-hotel-occupancy-rates-for-curacao-highest-level-in-years-not-so-for-aruba-we-wonder-why/

Since Natalee Holloway went missing and the subsequent disaster of what was called an investigation into her disappearance, Aruba has suffered disastrous tourism numbers. While the rest of the Caribbean is up, Aruba finds itself mired in its own mess. One might say that the rest of the Caribbean may be benefiting from Aruba’s loss. So why is it a sister Island like Curacao has success and Aruba does not? I do not think it takes a rocket scientist to figure this one out.

[terryd270]

Good morning!  Is this true that the Kalpoe's will be making money on this too..  How are these pimps suffering?  Deepak was using his arrest pictures on his dating profile to attract whatever.. Joran is proud of what he has done and seems to enjoy teasing those that care about Natalee's family.. I'm not surprised about Joran dating a 6th grader and for those that support that type of relationship..Most of us live above the dark part of society but it seems this case has brought us face to face with stuff that most of us don't want in our lives..  I would assume that ((nambla)) {{edited by Red}} would be welcomed in Aruba and most likely has a big percentage of members from there.. I just hope that Aruba will disappear and there will be one less cess pool..  This really makes me mad when I think those responsible for Natalee's death are going to make one (1) penny from it.. I'm just shocked that no one on that island has grab that kid (Joran) for messing around with their daughter or son..  Just my thoughts, all have a good day..

td

I know you meant nothing by it, but please no direct links to such a hideous web site as that ... its a kin to links to porn ... Thanks Red

[Leslie]

Klaas - you can delete this entire post if you feel it is not pertinent, but I have to summerize the RU controversy:

Refugees Unleashed topic:

How old were Joran and Rika?

iquitos Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:18 pm
...he also described his (Joran) nonsexual relationship with one Rika. his detractors ran with the story that Joran was 17 when Rika was 12 and his girlfriend. it turns out that this may not have been the the case.

iquitos Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:04 pm    
Rika is 16.  
now two of the Joran detractors i referred to have identified themselves. anybody else?  
(posters JD and Knot)

prolific Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:08 pm  
Joran was 14, Rika was 12. Rika is now 16. End of story.

Gabrielle Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:13 pm
END OF STORY

WangChung Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:17 pm
Given that FGL, a poster with far more credibility and resources than you will ever hope to have, has already laid this rumor to rest, I wonder what the true motivation behind your shit-stirring is? Is it that you can't stand being wrong? Did today's Shooting in PA, and the subsequent postings, limit your avenues with which to be argumentative? Despite the occasional outward appearances to the contrary, you are not a stupid woman, so why the transparent obtuseness? Since the provenance of the statements you quote is questionable, and Joran IS a free man, I wonder if you truly believe Joran was 17 and Rika was 12?

Gabrielle Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:08 pm
just shut up.
Joran was 14 and the girl was 12.
there's your proof.
stick it where the sun don't shine.

WangChung Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:36 pm
This issue was actually put to bed last night by FGL who provided a definitive answer to the original question.  

iquitos Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:47 pm    
i think most of the participants in this poll are making an informed choice. it is not like they are new to the subject.

Fu-Gee-La Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:58 pm
Talk to the farkin' hand Huff man. THEY WERE NOT DATING! I don't care if you think he was 17 and she 12 or not! they kissed for chrissakes!!!
JD Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:44 am
Maybe no one really cares. But if he's 17 this thread is a good example of the lengths people will go to for the sake of misinformation -- and why?

Fu-Gee-La Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:51 am
"misinfromation" really?  
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Leslie adds: THE NEXT 2 POSTS ARE IN RESPONSE TO WHAT I POSTED EARLIER:
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acala Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:52 am
This is appalling. If some other site had the poor taste to post this statement for the sole purpose of causing harm and embarassment to JVDS, that is no reason for the names and intimate details into the lives of innocent bystanders to be posted here. At the very least, the names of these young women should be deleted.  

Also_Dutch Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:22 am
According to a former friend of a friend who has a website....
No links given to that particular website, how credable is the poster on SM...I consider this information bogus!

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MY EVIDENCE:
Taken from a police statement of Joran van der Sloot's:

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is twelve (12) years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
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Natalie van Hamburg's (sp) website: Natalie was Val van der Sloot's girlfriend at the time and a student at the International School.  She makes many references to Joran and Rika at the beginning of 2005.

http://bloomsgurl2292.livejournal.com/
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[LilPuma]

LilPuma
If you ever  happen to be in the Captl. city area please consider getting in touch...
OldF

Sure will.  As for your daughter and O'Hare, it's a 20 minute drive from the downtown/near north area if there's little traffic.  It can be a 75 minute drive during the week when traffic is heavy     I always say that some people call it the Kennedy expressway, I call it free parking.  There is an el/subway train that goes there though.  I was in a chat room a while back with some people who knew where I lived and one of them said they were packing to move back to their hometown in central Illinois.  I said "I didn't know there WAS a town in central Illinois."    She snapped back that us Chicagoans think that anything south of I-80 is Kentucky!   I told her that I knew about Carbondale and Springfield and figured they built Springfield because they didn't want the governor here.     Can't remember her response, but the whole exchange was pretty funny.  
Oh, sorry for the OT.

[nonesuche]

Leslie-

I suspect they don't realize or stop to even think, that you are all over your data on this one - but then do they ever truly research and put the disparate facts together over there?  

It amazes me to read this, WangChung, maker of photos so heinous not just against a mother of a missing daughter but including the daughter's images as well  -- and he is outraged regarding Rika?

Logic tells me the outrage should rest in Joran even soliciting the attention of any 12 year old female. Wonder if Wang has a daughter? Wonder if he's willing to serve her up to the likes of Joran? Wonder if he lives vicariously through the sporter's exploits in his twisted mind?

Rant finished.

[nonesuche]

Has it been reported yet which publisher is in discussion with Deepak? I'd like to know, I do read lots and purchase books, I want to be sure to boycott that publisher if possible.

[LilPuma]

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Wow, Leslie!  That pretty well nails that down.  And here I thought it was just something made up to make Joran look like an absolute sleaze, a 17 year old having a relationship with a 12 year old is pretty disgusting if you ask me.


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Thinking back to senior year in high school, I can't imagine any of those guys wanting a "romantic" type of relationship with an 8th grader.  That is perverted.   Jeez, that and cruising bars and casinos for one-nighters with tourists at the age of 17?  Something's wrong with that, and yet Aruba seems to think it's the tourists that are the problem.     Well, Aruba, we're doing our best to keep all those problematic "easy" American women away from your delicious young perverted boys.  

[nonesuche]

Very well said LilPuma

[robots]

Leslie-

I suspect they don't realize or stop to even think, that you are all over your data on this one - but then do they ever truly research and put the disparate facts together over there?  

It amazes me to read this, WangChung, maker of photos so heinous not just against a mother of a missing daughter but including the daughter's images as well  -- and he is outraged regarding Rika?

Logic tells me the outrage should rest in Joran even soliciting the attention of any 12 year old female. Wonder if Wang has a daughter? Wonder if he's willing to serve her up to the likes of Joran? Wonder if he lives vicariously through the sporter's exploits in his twisted mind?

Rant finished.

maybe wang is PAULUS  

[LilPuma]

it's true!!!  Can any of you imagine your 12 year-old daughter "dating" a 17 year-old guy?

No I can't imagine something like that.  Something like that would have never happened with my daughter.  Hanging out with 17 year olds when she is 12 I don't think so.  This guy is very sick in the head.  A senior in high school dating at 6th grader.

paulus and anita were once again RIGHT on TOP off things

       

Exactly.  Why weren't they questioning their son's involvement with a 12 year old?  Anita tells us about his little girlfriends spending the night, describes Natalee's underwear.  Now Holland, like Scandanavian countries, might be more open about this stuff, but 12 years old is a CHILD for goodness sake.

[LilPuma]

Has it been reported yet which publisher is in discussion with Deepak? I'd like to know, I do read lots and purchase books, I want to be sure to boycott that publisher if possible.

Like Joran, I can't imagine what the general public would want to know about these guys other than what happened to Natalee?.  Unless they're going to relate their attitudes towards and exploits with tourists - and that would be trash reading at it's ultimate level - what's there to tell?

[LilPuma]

I could be wrong but I think there were samples that were sent to the FBI that came back as chocolate and/or cleaning fluid.  Of course those samples were sent to them and not collected by them.

That's the key.  It's like Skeeters tape was sent to Aruba, not directly to NFI.  As for any other possible evidence, we don't know if it actually was sent to Holland, to whom it was sent or what the official report said.  I find it interesting that there were a few select pieces of evidence that ALE chose to give the FBI, while apparently keeping them pretty much out of the loop on most of it.  IMHO, they only gave the FBI things they KNEW would come up benign because they wanted the FBI to say "nope, nothing incriminating there."  Does that whole island think Americans are stupid?

[Leslie]

Nonesuche:  This isn't the first time I have seen misinformation labeled as fact posted on the dark side, but I this time the evidence is too easily obtained to let their lie go unchallenged.  The fact that they will go to absurd lengths to misrepresent the truth, proves their entire agenda is based on the biggest lie - that Joran is innocent and has been persecuted by the family of Natalee who are quilty of every crime and sin imaginable.  RU's resorts to insulting any poster who does not abide by the rules of believing every "fact" posted and then when confronted with the proof of their errors, calls the information "bogus" or pretends to be shocked and appalled by someone (me    )  providing a rebuttal with information readily available to anyone on the internet.  Plus, I posted the information in the SM forum and not over there.

Just to prove how RU doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good discussion here are the latest results of their poll:

How old were Joran and Rika when they were an "item"?

14 and 12   -    79%  [ 57 ]
17 and 12   -    20%  [ 15 ]
 
Total Votes : 72
     
   79% of those morons believe a proven lie to be true  

[LilPuma]

Been reading back..not sure when I'll catch up....good morning, all.

Oldfart, did a little searching for 3 sided rulers...found this pic..not sure it helps:

Thanks for searching, but none of these is the one OF was talking about.  The one he mentions isn't flat, it triangle shaped.  /_\