Lively Case Discussion #529 10/2 - 10/7/2006

[SunFreak2]

The way that Mr. Croes talks ( or writes ) is similar to Shango's in that:
a.) there are alot of words
b.) after you read it, you have no idea what either one said.

I thought CC would be ShockTheMonkey that Lala's posted quotes from last night.

[San]

Anna, you are so right.  I am a teacher and the parent of a gifted child.  The term is used much too loosely, in my opinion.  A gifted child exhibits achievement beyond his/her peers in at least one area.  Here is a link to the organization that defines "gifted" in children.  http://www.nagc.org/index.aspx?id=574

If you read any of the definitions, you will realize that while Joran is bright and capable, albeit lazy and unmotivated, he is not gifted.  Gifted children achieve remarkable accomplishments at very early ages.  Joran has not achieved academic excellence, athletic excellence, or any other type of excellence.  He's capable and may be quite intelligent, but he is not gifted.

I agree.

[klaasend]

The way that Mr. Croes talks ( or writes ) is similar to Shango's in that:
a.) there are alot of words
b.) after you read it, you have no idea what either one said.

I thought CC would be ShockTheMonkey that Lala's posted quotes from last night.

I believe that ShockTheMonkey was a nut playing games with us  

[Kat_Gram]

Mr. Croes did not know Joran, so how would he know about any intelligence.
The other thing is... what if he does have a high IQ ?
Joran, not Croes ?
What has he done with the banquet of life that his parents have offered him thu their money ie education, tennis lessons, soccer camp, trips ?
There are things that were available to Joran that others have to work hard for. They made a banquet available and Joran chose a McFlurry
with fries.
Maybe Mr. Croes is mistaking  "intelligence " with " devious ".

[Kat_Gram]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/joranwasted.jpg

      Look at the intelligence  !        
My kats look more intelligent ! !

[Kat_Gram]

I seem to have cleared the cage.
Any discussion RE: Intelligence and Joran can now be closed.

[San]

Klaas check your mail.  I'm not playing a joke this time.

[SunFreak2]

I seem to have cleared the cage.
Any discussion RE: Intelligence and Joran can now be closed.

It's not that.  I think I was struck silent by that picture of Joran.  I had to go bathe -it was so creepy.

[klaasend]

Klaas check your mail.  I'm not playing a joke this time.

ok  

[Kat_Gram]

I don't know where Carpe got that pix, but it is a good one !
When Joran has a few too many, he gets this thing with his left eye.
Like he cannot co ordinate the right and the left eyelids.
All people with intelligence off the scale have this !

[Kat_Gram]

Does anyone remember anything or can you find / point out the direction of Mr. Croes phoning William ? And I can't even remember Williams last name. But I do remember Mr. Croes being quoted as saying something about speaking to William and William was crying.

[klaasend]

Does anyone remember anything or can you find / point out the direction of Mr. Croes phoning William ? And I can't even remember Williams last name. But I do remember Mr. Croes being quoted as saying something about speaking to William and William was crying.

Not positive but think his name is William Morrison?

[Grande]

A 'good friend' of Charles' is watching this forum and reporting back.  FWIW.  Again, I have nothing against Charles, you can report that.  He knows where we stand.  I have spoken with him on the phone and he is not what many have suggested.

For what it's worth, I will listen to anyone until the cows come home regardless of what their opinion is in hopes of generating potential leads.  I suggest everyone reach out (in a civil way) in hopes of doing the same.  We can debate politics and ethics once the Holloway Twitty's have closure, until then I will remained focused and avoid the aforementioned.  

I appreciate everyone's input.  

Anyone catch the reference to the maze in Charles' email ?

[oldfart]

Hi Monkeys

Just seeing  if my last post got moved to a more appropriate forum

I must say that  this was the 1st time that I had ever, ever hoped that something would "Reach Out and Touch" a Church congregation in ...ummm lets just say an "Enlightening" manner.

But who knows ... Maybe if  it was their  children / loved ones that were involve and died they  would hire others to be at funeral while they protest it.
I have no clue to who " Mike Gallagher" is or his program is ~ but will send some $'s his way if they happen to have technical problems during this broadcast where it is DEAD-AIR or WHITE NOISE

Do NOT get me wrong I do believe in free speech..But I also have the right to  ignore it or debate it.

JMO ...
The  members of the Westboro Baptist Church may want to consider talking to someone in Aruba about discounted Long... stays  where  they could help Aruba's image

JMO of course

[SunFreak2]

Does anyone remember anything or can you find / point out the direction of Mr. Croes phoning William ? And I can't even remember Williams last name. But I do remember Mr. Croes being quoted as saying something about speaking to William and William was crying.

Not positive but think his name is William Morrison?

William Morris – boyfriend of FEB, who received the phone call that morning where a voice was heard to say,”are you calling home?” That call is believed to be from Natalee.

[Kat_Gram]

It was William Morris. There was a message on his cell phone that he didn't retrieve until he was back in the USA. ?? Some sort of a message from Natalee ? or her phone.
But, I do remember something, it is so far back that Charlie Croes
phoned William in the USA. ???

[Kat_Gram]

TY SunFreak, so I have not lost my mind , ... yet ! !
Then there was a post on the bad side of town, I think about
Charlie phoning William and William was crying.
Where did Charlie get the phone number of William ?

[Grande]

TY SunFreak, so I have not lost my mind , ... yet ! !
Then there was a post on the bad side of town, I think about
Charlie phoning William and William was crying.
Where did Charlie get the phone number of William ?

Probably from Beth.  This call was made from the Valero station where Charles and Beth listened to the voicemail.  Charles stated they determined the phone was not from one of his.

[Kat_Gram]

A 'good friend' of Charles' is watching this forum and reporting back.  FWIW.  Again, I have nothing against Charles, you can report that.  He knows where we stand.  I have spoken with him on the phone and he is not what many have suggested.

For what it's worth, I will listen to anyone until the cows come home regardless of what their opinion is in hopes of generating potential leads.  I suggest everyone reach out (in a civil way) in hopes of doing the same.  We can debate politics and ethics once the Holloway Twitty's have closure, until then I will remained focused and avoid the aforementioned.  

I appreciate everyone's input.  

Anyone catch the reference to the maze in Charles' email ?

So, someone is reporting back ?
Well, I haven't dissed Mr. Croes, but I am wondering why HE is of any importance in this case, unless its the self kind. Sorry, I did read his emails and I have no clue what he was saying. That is what frustrates me. Lotta talk, no substance.

[Grande]

A 'good friend' of Charles' is watching this forum and reporting back.  FWIW.  Again, I have nothing against Charles, you can report that.  He knows where we stand.  I have spoken with him on the phone and he is not what many have suggested.

For what it's worth, I will listen to anyone until the cows come home regardless of what their opinion is in hopes of generating potential leads.  I suggest everyone reach out (in a civil way) in hopes of doing the same.  We can debate politics and ethics once the Holloway Twitty's have closure, until then I will remained focused and avoid the aforementioned.  

I appreciate everyone's input.  

Anyone catch the reference to the maze in Charles' email ?

So, someone is reporting back ?
Well, I haven't dissed Mr. Croes, but I am wondering why HE is of any importance in this case, unless its the self kind. Sorry, I did read his emails and I have no clue what he was saying. That is what frustrates me. Lotta talk, no substance.

I posted the email exchange for reference only.  They are not really up for debate, atleast as far as I am concerned.  If you have questions for Charles you might consider asking him.  I cannot answer for him, nor do I wish too.  

I understand your frustration with the content of the emails, however in my defense I simply posted what seemed relevant in hopes of revealing anything that may help.