Lively Case Discussion #529 10/2 - 10/7/2006

[pdh3]

It seems we can help everyone but our own citizens. It is shameful the way the people of the Gulf Coast have been treated. And what's with everyone saying they weren't " asked" to come in and help? Could no one see that the devastation was so complete that communictions were going to be almost impossible? What would have been wrong with just taking the initiative and doing something? In light of the aftermath, would anyone have been in trouble? I think they'd be hailed as heroic. That's the problem with Homeland Security.....just another buracracy that is disfunctional.

Charles Croes must not care too much about a grieving Mother, because he is in it up to his neck. He knows a lot, IMHO.

[San]

Here is what Dave said about another missing girl:

Dave said another girl went missing about a year before Natalee disappeared and that was confirmed by one of the police officers in a recent search that they had going on about a month month and a half ago they indicated another girl went missing on the island about a year ago and they weren’t able to spend a lot of time on that case and they are looking into it as well.

[thik]

Here is what Dave said about another missing girl:

Dave said another girl went missing about a year before Natalee disappeared and that was confirmed by one of the police officers in a recent search that they had going on about a month month and a half ago they indicated another girl went missing on the island about a year ago and they weren’t able to spend a lot of time on that case and they are looking into it as well.

Maybe they should just go to CnC's for a beer,, she'll most likely 'turn up'      

[Buckeye]

Had been reading around today.  Ramm at BFN clarified the Deepak brought two dogs statement.  Made me think of the mattress with the dog's blood....eeeek.

Re: DEEPAK CAME WITH 2 DOGS ...
« Reply #23 on: Today at 07:10:22 AM »  

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Quote from: Scorpio1938 on July 06, 2006, 07:58:02 PM
Deepak, he came "with two dogs," Is this slang, for two screwball guys, who would act like two oversexed monkeys, trying to have sex with a wet football.


it talked about actual dogs or better yet "honden" in dutch.

In dutch one would not say "honden" for people. Dutch youths have taken over the vocabulary of the US in this. It would have been "homies", "bro's" or if the canine link must be true "dawgs" but not "honden".

If Joran had been describing 2 humans with Deepak he would have most likely used "papiamentu slang", "US slang" or "Dutch slang" but dogs? No, dogs is not dutch slang for friends as far as I know/have researched on the net.

[LilPuma]

Here is what Dave said about another missing girl:

Dave said another girl went missing about a year before Natalee disappeared and that was confirmed by one of the police officers in a recent search that they had going on about a month month and a half ago they indicated another girl went missing on the island about a year ago and they weren’t able to spend a lot of time on that case and they are looking into it as well.

I never understood the Aruban insistence that they have very little crime and yet the police never have enough time to investigate the cases that do crop up.  

[klaasend]

NDA?

klaasend writes: "I think CC is using answering machine in error. He has to mean voice mail."

Agreed.  I think while his English is good, it's not perfectly fluent.

Non-Disclosure Agreement.  An NDA is most typically used in a buisness setting, where early exposure to business concept, technology, etc is agreed to be kept "confidential" -- often w/ certain terms and conditions.  I think this strange terminology is weirder than his "answering machine/VM" discussion.

Who besides ALE would re: an "NDA".

Because this "piece of potential evidence" could have only been secured in the United States (after plane landed), I guess it was the FBI.

.

Ah Hammer - good thinking!

[klaasend]

Here is what Dave said about another missing girl:

Dave said another girl went missing about a year before Natalee disappeared and that was confirmed by one of the police officers in a recent search that they had going on about a month month and a half ago they indicated another girl went missing on the island about a year ago and they weren’t able to spend a lot of time on that case and they are looking into it as well.

San - there was a girl that either Bondia or Arubagirl spoke of.  She was troubled and went missing along with her vehicle.  I'm wondering if that's the girl that Dave was referring to??  I can't find the conversation now because it's in the the archives that are not available now.

[San]

Had been reading around today.  Ramm at BFN clarified the Deepak brought two dogs statement.  Made me think of the mattress with the dog's blood....eeeek.

Re: DEEPAK CAME WITH 2 DOGS ...
« Reply #23 on: Today at 07:10:22 AM »  

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Quote from: Scorpio1938 on July 06, 2006, 07:58:02 PM
Deepak, he came "with two dogs," Is this slang, for two screwball guys, who would act like two oversexed monkeys, trying to have sex with a wet football.


it talked about actual dogs or better yet "honden" in dutch.

In dutch one would not say "honden" for people. Dutch youths have taken over the vocabulary of the US in this. It would have been "homies", "bro's" or if the canine link must be true "dawgs" but not "honden".

If Joran had been describing 2 humans with Deepak he would have most likely used "papiamentu slang", "US slang" or "Dutch slang" but dogs? No, dogs is not dutch slang for friends as far as I know/have researched on the net.

The only time I heard dawg was in street slang What's up Dawg as people/friend.  It was made popular by is Randy Jackson of American Idol.

[San]

Here is what Dave said about another missing girl:

Dave said another girl went missing about a year before Natalee disappeared and that was confirmed by one of the police officers in a recent search that they had going on about a month month and a half ago they indicated another girl went missing on the island about a year ago and they weren’t able to spend a lot of time on that case and they are looking into it as well.

San - there was a girl that either Bondia or Arubagirl spoke of.  She was troubled and went missing along with her vehicle.  I'm wondering if that's the girl that Dave was referring to??  I can't find the conversation now because it's in the the archives that are not available now.

Klaas, I remember reading something about a missing girl.  I was just pointing out what the police officer said about not being able to spend a lot of time looking for her.

I find it very strange that they haven't looked for this girl.

Whenever I hear Bondia/Arubagirl/NativeLingo's involvement I have my doubts.  But that is just how I feel.

[klaasend]

Here is what Dave said about another missing girl:

Dave said another girl went missing about a year before Natalee disappeared and that was confirmed by one of the police officers in a recent search that they had going on about a month month and a half ago they indicated another girl went missing on the island about a year ago and they weren’t able to spend a lot of time on that case and they are looking into it as well.

San - there was a girl that either Bondia or Arubagirl spoke of.  She was troubled and went missing along with her vehicle.  I'm wondering if that's the girl that Dave was referring to??  I can't find the conversation now because it's in the the archives that are not available now.

Klaas, I remember reading something about a missing girl.  I was just pointing out what the police officer said about not being able to spend a lot of time looking for her.

I find it very strange that they haven't looked for this girl.

Whenever I hear Bondia/Arubagirl/NativeLingo's involvement I have my doubts.  But that is just how I feel.

I agree San, but I remember when they spoke about it it seemed like even they were saying nobody really looked for her.

[michelete2]

Just posted in the front page area by a poster with the nickname Jehnifer:

Charles Croes responded to my question to clarify… (I do not know how to register to the forum -maybe someone could PLEASE email and tell me)

From: Fastphones Aruba
[Add to Address Book]
To: {{removed your email address}}
Subject: Re: Just wondering…
Date: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:36:55 PM [View Source]

Jennifer,
Sure I will - point by point and as honest as I can make it.
be well
charles

> WELL NATALEE DID NOT GET A PHONE CALL OF FROM ARUBA ………. (Charles
response) I don’t know that.
>
> SO WHY WAS CHARLES CROES INVITED THAT NIGHT BETH ARRIVED … (charles
response) It was thought that a cell phone was rented and we are the largest
such company on the island. Aside from that, once Beth spoke to me, it was
impossible to say no to a grieving mother.
>
> WHAT PHONE CALL DID HE SAY THEY LISTENED TOO ………. (charles response) A
young boy that is a friend of NH received a call that was recorded on an answer
machine. There was some thought that this call might have to do with NH.
Kindly do not ask me to elaborate beyond this since I have signed a NDA
agreement with two different police departments to not discuss this further.
That said, a little bit of detective work will give you the answers. It is
just that I cannot.

> SEEMS CHARLES CROES WAS THROWN INTO THE FRAY AS A SPY ……….. (Charles
response) Occasionally, an incipid remark is made. One that is as groundless
as it is thoughtless. This last one qualifies for that category.

Quoting {{removed your email address}}:

> People are wondering something. Can you explain and help clear things up?
> thanks.

How did he know when he met Beth that first night that she was "a grieving mother" and not just concerned over a missing daughter.

[klaasend]

michelete2 - nice catch, good question!

[WidgetTheMidget]

Had been reading around today.  Ramm at BFN clarified the Deepak brought two dogs statement.  Made me think of the mattress with the dog's blood....eeeek.

Re: DEEPAK CAME WITH 2 DOGS ...
« Reply #23 on: Today at 07:10:22 AM »  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: Scorpio1938 on July 06, 2006, 07:58:02 PM
Deepak, he came "with two dogs," Is this slang, for two screwball guys, who would act like two oversexed monkeys, trying to have sex with a wet football.


it talked about actual dogs or better yet "honden" in dutch.

In dutch one would not say "honden" for people. Dutch youths have taken over the vocabulary of the US in this. It would have been "homies", "bro's" or if the canine link must be true "dawgs" but not "honden".

If Joran had been describing 2 humans with Deepak he would have most likely used "papiamentu slang", "US slang" or "Dutch slang" but dogs? No, dogs is not dutch slang for friends as far as I know/have researched on the net.

Joran Calls One Of His Dogs By The Name Of Choller ..............

 

[WidgetTheMidget]

Just posted in the front page area by a poster with the nickname Jehnifer:

Charles Croes responded to my question to clarify… (I do not know how to register to the forum -maybe someone could PLEASE email and tell me)

From: Fastphones Aruba
[Add to Address Book]
To: {{removed your email address}}
Subject: Re: Just wondering…
Date: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:36:55 PM [View Source]

Jennifer,
Sure I will - point by point and as honest as I can make it.
be well
charles

> WELL NATALEE DID NOT GET A PHONE CALL OF FROM ARUBA ………. (Charles
response) I don’t know that.
>
> SO WHY WAS CHARLES CROES INVITED THAT NIGHT BETH ARRIVED … (charles
response) It was thought that a cell phone was rented and we are the largest
such company on the island. Aside from that, once Beth spoke to me, it was
impossible to say no to a grieving mother.
>
> WHAT PHONE CALL DID HE SAY THEY LISTENED TOO ………. (charles response) A
young boy that is a friend of NH received a call that was recorded on an answer
machine. There was some thought that this call might have to do with NH.
Kindly do not ask me to elaborate beyond this since I have signed a NDA
agreement with two different police departments to not discuss this further.
That said, a little bit of detective work will give you the answers. It is
just that I cannot.

> SEEMS CHARLES CROES WAS THROWN INTO THE FRAY AS A SPY ……….. (Charles
response) Occasionally, an incipid remark is made. One that is as groundless
as it is thoughtless. This last one qualifies for that category.

Quoting {{removed your email address}}:

> People are wondering something. Can you explain and help clear things up?
> thanks.

How did he know when he met Beth that first night that she was "a grieving mother" and not just concerned over a missing daughter.

Excellent Response !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[WidgetTheMidget]

Just posted in the front page area by a poster with the nickname Jehnifer:

Charles Croes responded to my question to clarify… (I do not know how to register to the forum -maybe someone could PLEASE email and tell me)

From: Fastphones Aruba
[Add to Address Book]
To: {{removed your email address}}
Subject: Re: Just wondering…
Date: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:36:55 PM [View Source]

Jennifer,
Sure I will - point by point and as honest as I can make it.
be well
charles

> WELL NATALEE DID NOT GET A PHONE CALL OF FROM ARUBA ………. (Charles
response) I don’t know that.
>
> SO WHY WAS CHARLES CROES INVITED THAT NIGHT BETH ARRIVED … (charles
response) It was thought that a cell phone was rented and we are the largest
such company on the island. Aside from that, once Beth spoke to me, it was
impossible to say no to a grieving mother.
>
> WHAT PHONE CALL DID HE SAY THEY LISTENED TOO ………. (charles response) A
young boy that is a friend of NH received a call that was recorded on an answer
machine. There was some thought that this call might have to do with NH.
Kindly do not ask me to elaborate beyond this since I have signed a NDA
agreement with two different police departments to not discuss this further.
That said, a little bit of detective work will give you the answers. It is
just that I cannot.

> SEEMS CHARLES CROES WAS THROWN INTO THE FRAY AS A SPY ……….. (Charles
response) Occasionally, an incipid remark is made. One that is as groundless
as it is thoughtless. This last one qualifies for that category.

Quoting {{removed your email address}}:

> People are wondering something. Can you explain and help clear things up?
> thanks.

How did he know when he met Beth that first night that she was "a grieving mother" and not just concerned over a missing daughter.

I Noticed Charles Did'nt Answer The Changing Stories Part ..........

Charles Is The Enemy .............

 

[WidgetTheMidget]

Just posted in the front page area by a poster with the nickname Jehnifer:

Charles Croes responded to my question to clarify… (I do not know how to register to the forum -maybe someone could PLEASE email and tell me)

From: Fastphones Aruba
[Add to Address Book]
To: {{removed your email address}}
Subject: Re: Just wondering…
Date: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:36:55 PM [View Source]

Jennifer,
Sure I will - point by point and as honest as I can make it.
be well
charles

> WELL NATALEE DID NOT GET A PHONE CALL OF FROM ARUBA ………. (Charles
response) I don’t know that.
>
> SO WHY WAS CHARLES CROES INVITED THAT NIGHT BETH ARRIVED … (charles
response) It was thought that a cell phone was rented and we are the largest
such company on the island. Aside from that, once Beth spoke to me, it was
impossible to say no to a grieving mother.
>
> WHAT PHONE CALL DID HE SAY THEY LISTENED TOO ………. (charles response) A
young boy that is a friend of NH received a call that was recorded on an answer
machine. There was some thought that this call might have to do with NH.
Kindly do not ask me to elaborate beyond this since I have signed a NDA
agreement with two different police departments to not discuss this further.
That said, a little bit of detective work will give you the answers. It is
just that I cannot.

> SEEMS CHARLES CROES WAS THROWN INTO THE FRAY AS A SPY ……….. (Charles
response) Occasionally, an incipid remark is made. One that is as groundless
as it is thoughtless. This last one qualifies for that category.

Quoting {{removed your email address}}:

> People are wondering something. Can you explain and help clear things up?
> thanks.

Incipid GREAT Word I Will Use It Next Time PLaying Scrabble ............

Charles WHY DID YOU CHANGE YOUR STORY ?????????????????

 

[San]

Here is what Dave said about another missing girl:

Dave said another girl went missing about a year before Natalee disappeared and that was confirmed by one of the police officers in a recent search that they had going on about a month month and a half ago they indicated another girl went missing on the island about a year ago and they weren’t able to spend a lot of time on that case and they are looking into it as well.

San - there was a girl that either Bondia or Arubagirl spoke of.  She was troubled and went missing along with her vehicle.  I'm wondering if that's the girl that Dave was referring to??  I can't find the conversation now because it's in the the archives that are not available now.

Klaas, I remember reading something about a missing girl.  I was just pointing out what the police officer said about not being able to spend a lot of time looking for her.

I find it very strange that they haven't looked for this girl.

Whenever I hear Bondia/Arubagirl/NativeLingo's involvement I have my doubts.  But that is just how I feel.

I agree San, but I remember when they spoke about it it seemed like even they were saying nobody really looked for her.

I hear what you're saying Klaas.

Let's just say this girl had emotional problems.  The ALE could care less about looking for her.

Now let's take Joran's case.  He is a psycho commits murder and the ALE is falling over each other to help him.

POWER & MONEY makes things happen.

For all we know this girl could have been a victim just like Natalee.

[Sam]

Hi Monkeys,
I know this is completley off topic and you all may have already discussed it but I never have TV on in the daytime so did not know until News time about the crazy Guy who killed the Amish girls in PA. before killing himself.

It just breaks my heart to see the things that are happening in our world. Now his poor family has to deal with this hurt as well as that particular Amish community. It seems nowhere is safe.

Now as to CC. I do think he knows more.

I also think Aruba Girl was always pretty honest with us. I do not think she had anything to do with the Bondia postings.  I for one miss her and her posts. JMHO

[oldfart]

Hi gang...
Just popping in for a bit while listening to Beth on the Dutch Inverview.

I like the way this guy is asking questions and then kinda lets Beth just talk. Not as much as Dana allows people to .. but a lot more than MSM...
JMO

[Kat_Gram]

Hi gang...
Just popping in for a bit while listening to Beth on the Dutch Inverview.

I like the way this guy is asking questions and then kinda lets Beth just talk. Not as much as Dana allows people to .. but a lot more than MSM...
JMO

I just finished listening to it also. Did Beth contact Joran ? Sounded like it didn't it ? Then, Joran is sighted in Aruba like the yellow dog he is. I know, quit insulting the yellow dogs.