Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11

[texasmom]

I'll be surprised if the guy she was with killed her.  He wouldn't gain anything, unless he was just jealous of her relationship with the other guy.  The insurance policy they took out before they left was just travelers insurance, her mother was her beneficiary.

If she didn't drown, I'm leaning more to someone saw her and was watching. 

Found their opportunity to abduct her (when the friend wasn't looking), and took her.

I think Baby Beach is one of the areas where there are a lot of thefts from tourists, so who knows who was lurking around.

I wonder how many people were on the beach at the same time they were out there, surely there are witnesses to something!

I just hope they find her, whatever happened.

[texasmom]

Justice for Natalee,





and Stephany!

 ::justice2NJ::

[klaasend]

Yeah something's not adding up

[texasmom]

I agree.   

[texasmom]

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979852506

Missing Woman Disappeared in Aruba

August 08, 2011 08:45 PM EDT

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A woman is missing from Aruba in a case that seems reminiscent of the Natalee Holloway disappearance. The Maryland woman was visiting Aruba and was last seen around August 2nd at a casino and resort. Could she have met the same fate as some of the other missing women who've vanished while traveling abroad?



Robyn Gardner, 35, shares a striking resemblance to the missing teen from Alabama, Natalee Holloway. She is blonde, attractive and looks a few years younger than her actual age. Before anyone takes offense to the comparisons made between this disappearance and that of the Holloway case, it's important to know that even her own family made the connection. The boyfriend of Robyn Gardner suspects something terrible has happened and personally contacted the Natalee Holloway Resource Center.

 ::snipping2::

[klaasend]

Looks like the boyfriend is in Aruba now?

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/35198-awor-e-boy-friend-di-robyn-gardner-cu-ta-perdi-na-aruba-a-meld-su-mes-.html

Awor e boyfriend di Robyn Gardner cu ta perdi na Aruba a meld su mes    Print    E-mail
Monday, 08 August 2011 22:18


Richard_forester

E homber Richard Forester ta un Mericano cu a identifca su mes como boyfriend di e muher Mericano cu ta perdi. E muher Robyn Gardner ta e persona cu a bai snorkel cu e homber Gary Giordano y nunca mas a bolbe. E homber Giordano mes ta deteni e momentonan aki. E ta wordo sospecha di homicidio. E tabata ultimo persona cu tabata cu e dama.

Aunke el a ofrece su mes pa keda Aruba pa coperacion tog nan a detene saliendo for di Aruba. Awor cu e noticia a sali riba ArubaHerald.com cu ta un website di noticia na ingles tin reaccionnan cu a drenta. E tal Richard Forester a indentifica su mes como frei di e dama Americano perdi. E homber deteni Gary Giordano tambe a bin cu e dama como su partner den e biahe. Dos biaha pa luna mas of menos nan dos sa topa. E muher a conoce e sospechoso riba un datesite di Merca. Asina nan a yega den contacto y tabata Sali leu leu. E dama prome cu su biahe pa Aruba recien a yega bek di un biahe cu su amiganan.

 ::snipping2::

[klaasend]

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/35201-joran-vd-sloot-ta-evalua-extradicion.html

Joran v/d Sloot ta evalua extradicion    
Tuesday, 09 August 2011 01:26

more of one year owing to happen end of the asesinato of the young peruvian sthephany flores the sospechoso joran v/d sloot owing to break his silencio y once more owing to know of busca antencion of prensa peruvian. in one carta send for her declaration of policy of television "el dominical" the la manifesta of is wardando his caso in corte. the young dutch owing to remarca of owing to copera 100% cu autoridadnan policial y owing to denuncia of is victima of various abuse. besides v/d sloot owing to menciona of is interesa in the tratado new among peru y the netherlands for extradicion. joran v/d sloot also owing to deny of is father of cualkier child at peru y owing to splica pakico the la change of advocate. come across

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/35201-joran-vd-sloot-ta-evalua-extradicion.html

Joran v/d Sloot ta evalua extradicion    
Tuesday, 09 August 2011 01:26

more of one year owing to happen end of the asesinato of the young peruvian sthephany flores the sospechoso joran v/d sloot owing to break his silencio y once more owing to know of busca antencion of prensa peruvian. in one carta send for her declaration of policy of television "el dominical" the la manifesta of is wardando his caso in corte. the young dutch owing to remarca of owing to copera 100% cu autoridadnan policial y owing to denuncia of is victima of various abuse. besides v/d sloot owing to menciona of is interesa in the tratado new among peru y the netherlands for extradicion. joran v/d sloot also owing to deny of is father of cualkier child at peru y owing to splica pakico the la change of advocate. come across

Thank Klaas.

Could it be that that Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" have been working behind the scenes to assure that Joran does not serve his sentence in a Peruvian lockup for the murder of Stephany Flores?

Could it be that Joran van der Sloot is calling the shots?

Could it be that Joran is threatening to tell all in regards who in the Dutch/Aruba administration were behind the cover up that has shield him from accountable for his role in the demise of Natalee Holloway if he is not extradicted?

Could it be that Joran is threatening to tell all in regards to his designated role to further Aruba's underground economny encompassing the drug trade ... the sex trade ... illegal gambling ... if he is not extradicted?

Janet

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IT IS A KNOWN FACT

Jossy Mansur - Editor of Aruban Publication "Dairio".
The Dana Pletzer Show
July 23, 2007

PLETZER: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

MANSUR:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

Heli/RU

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


I HAVE A VIP PASS

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I go to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


THEY NEVER WANTED TO IMPLICATE

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 10/23/2005 4:46:55 PM ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. ....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FIND THE TRUTH

'Scarborough Country' for August 11
updated 8/12/2005 9:33:28 AM ET

GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  ....  Those people that were with me that night, had they taken our statements at least a week after it happened, we would have already had the answer. But when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/


SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE

NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00    ET

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER:   I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 189:  It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

[Anna]

Yeah something's not adding up

Well, girls do sometimes just "go missing" in Aruba, donchaknow!

 

Guys, too, and it's always an "insurance scam" per Aruba.  They seem to have only rudimentary knowledge of how insurance actually works and the fact that the FBI can access policy information, etc.  At least they pretend to not know.

[grace-land]

It's not going away, Aruba.  Help Beth bring Natalee home to the United States!

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/missing-blonde-beauty-aruba-robyn-gardner-echoes-natalee-holloway

NIGHTMARE IN PARADISE: ECHOES OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY
Published on: August 9, 2011
By NATIONAL ENQUIRER staff

Missing blonde beauty disappears in Aruba, echoing the disappearance of NATALEE HOLLOWAY.

 ::snipping2::

Natalee Holloway disappeared while on vacation in Aruba.  Dutch thug Joran van der Sloot remains the key suspect in that case.

 ::snipping2::

[Puzzler]

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/missing-blonde-beauty-aruba-robyn-gardner-echoes-natalee-holloway

NIGHTMARE IN PARADISE: ECHOES OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY

[Sharon/Tx]

I'll be surprised if the guy she was with killed her.  He wouldn't gain anything, unless he was just jealous of her relationship with the other guy.  The insurance policy they took out before they left was just travelers insurance, her mother was her beneficiary.

If she didn't drown, I'm leaning more to someone saw her and was watching. 

Found their opportunity to abduct her (when the friend wasn't looking), and took her.

I think Baby Beach is one of the areas where there are a lot of thefts from tourists, so who knows who was lurking around.

I wonder how many people were on the beach at the same time they were out there, surely there are witnesses to something!

I just hope they find her, whatever happened.

  Hi Y'all!  I hope everyone is doing well.  I've been reading here and on the Caylee thread the past few months and thank you for all the latest info Monkeys!  Baby Beach is very isolated and creepy if you ask me.  You drive forever to the tip of the island, through sand dune type roads and follow wooden signs past the prison.  You see the ocean but nothing else and you feel like you are lost or if something happened - no one would know!  There is a small hamburger hut and a few umbrella tables and that is it.  If you look out towards the ocean, you are in a small cove that is protected by a shell covered sandbar.  There is an opening that goes out to the crashing waves on the other side.  I'm sure the current is strong there.  I hope they find this poor woman.

[Sharon/Tx]

THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 189:  It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

  God bless you Beth Holloway.  She looks so good and is doing such good work on behalf of Natalee. 

[texasmom]

I'll be surprised if the guy she was with killed her.  He wouldn't gain anything, unless he was just jealous of her relationship with the other guy.  The insurance policy they took out before they left was just travelers insurance, her mother was her beneficiary.

If she didn't drown, I'm leaning more to someone saw her and was watching. 

Found their opportunity to abduct her (when the friend wasn't looking), and took her.

I think Baby Beach is one of the areas where there are a lot of thefts from tourists, so who knows who was lurking around.

I wonder how many people were on the beach at the same time they were out there, surely there are witnesses to something!

I just hope they find her, whatever happened.

When I posted this, I hadn't done any research.  Now I've done enough to be concerned about this guy.  I hope the FBI gets involved and digs really deep.  I've got several possible scenarios I'm thinking about, none of them good.

I just hope they find her, so dead or alive will at least be answered.  For her family's sake.

 

[Blue Moon]

I read today about Aruba's latest disappearance.  I guess Beth still has a lot to do to educate people about the dangers of this island.  It never ceases to amaze me that people still go there and think it cannot happen to them.  I do pray they find this woman soon and she is o.k.

Anything yet on the Kalpoe's lawsuit?

 

[texasmom]

I'll be surprised if the guy she was with killed her.  He wouldn't gain anything, unless he was just jealous of her relationship with the other guy.  The insurance policy they took out before they left was just travelers insurance, her mother was her beneficiary.

If she didn't drown, I'm leaning more to someone saw her and was watching. 

Found their opportunity to abduct her (when the friend wasn't looking), and took her.

I think Baby Beach is one of the areas where there are a lot of thefts from tourists, so who knows who was lurking around.

I wonder how many people were on the beach at the same time they were out there, surely there are witnesses to something!

I just hope they find her, whatever happened.

  Hi Y'all!  I hope everyone is doing well.  I've been reading here and on the Caylee thread the past few months and thank you for all the latest info Monkeys!  Baby Beach is very isolated and creepy if you ask me.  You drive forever to the tip of the island, through sand dune type roads and follow wooden signs past the prison.  You see the ocean but nothing else and you feel like you are lost or if something happened - no one would know!  There is a small hamburger hut and a few umbrella tables and that is it.  If you look out towards the ocean, you are in a small cove that is protected by a shell covered sandbar.  There is an opening that goes out to the crashing waves on the other side.  I'm sure the current is strong there.  I hope they find this poor woman.

Thanks for the info Sharon/Tx! 

Yes, I've posted articles where several people have drowned there...but the ones I recall at the moment were found.

I hope they find her too. 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f10/please-careful-snorkeling-45917/

[texasmom]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20516828,00.html

Robyn Gardner Goes Missing in Aruba
BY SARA HAMMEL

Tuesday August 09, 2011 08:00 PM EDT


Natalee Holloway (left) and Robyn Gardner
AP

A Maryland woman has vanished in Aruba after taking a snorkeling trip with a friend, MyFoxDC reports.

The disappearance of Robyn Gardner, 35, last week comes six years after Alabama teen Natalee Holloway vanished from the same resort town.

Police are questioning the man Gardner was with on the island, Gary Giordano of Frederick, Md., who reportedly told investigators the pair took a snorkeling trip – and that Gardner never returned to shore.

 ::snipping2::

[Tamikosmom]

THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 189:  It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

God bless you Beth Holloway.  She looks so good and is doing such good work on behalf of Natalee.
 

 

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."
Beth Holloway - May, 2010

"Every tragic event brings about the need for education and change."
Beth Holloway - July, 2011

[Tamikosmom]

NATALEE'S HERO

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway

Page 229:  As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal ...