Natalee Case Discussion #721 2/3- 2/4/08

[Tylergal]

don't forget that mip6 was working at the marriott when natalee disappeared.
dennisintn

That's true.  Mark Purcell, right?

yes ma'am, the profane by his very existence, mark purcell.
dennisintn

So can someone tell me about this person Mark Purcell (MP16, right?)?  I want to know who he is, what he does and how he figures into this.  What does he do for Marriott?  There are ways I can find out but if someone could enlighten me, it would help.
[/quote]
Yes Mark is m1p6..He was a member of the IFA,AHATA,Director of operations for the Marriott and Friends of the sloots. Wife also works for AHATA. Ramm,Mark and Reality are 3 different people.
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Mark Purcell

Mark Purcell joined Interstate in 1988 as an accounting manager and gained additional financial experience in a number of related positions, culminating in director of business development.  In his new position as vice president, business development and feasibility, he will be responsible for sourcing and pursuing hotel management and acquisition opportunities.  “Mark has a proven record of success with our development and acquisitions group,” Jorns explained.  “His experience and contacts will be invaluable as we continue to expand our acquisition activities.”

He holds a bachelor’s degree from St. Bonaventure University. 
[/quote]

Thanks a bunch!  So he is not "Reality?" Right?

[dennisintn]

don't forget that mip6 was working at the marriott when natalee disappeared.
dennisintn

That's true.  Mark Purcell, right?

yes ma'am, the profane by his very existence, mark purcell.
dennisintn
[/quote]

So can someone tell me about this person Mark Purcell (MP16, right?)?  I want to know who he is, what he does and how he figures into this.  What does he do for Marriott?  There are ways I can find out but if someone could enlighten me, it would help.
[/quote]

purcell (mip6) is now working at another big hotel on the island now.  his wife is manager of Moomba's, i think, and his son is supposedly a bartender there.  that's from the tired old mind of a man who's been sitting in this chair since 6 a.m. sunday morning, so i might have moomba's wrong.  the wife is also a biggie in the ahata or ata organization.
dennisintn

[kippy]

Night Monkeys! 

[klaasend]

Hi Monkeys,

I was wondering why the lobster/crab cages keep coming up? Joran said his accomplice dumped her body over the boat. I just don't see them doing the gruesome act of chopping up the body of a dead girl and putting her into a trap/cage, then dumping her. I completely agree with the poster here who said daury is daddy. It makes perfect sense. No wonder Paulus was sweating so profusely onto his kitchen table when Beth and her friends were talking to him the next day. Can you imagine? Here sits the mother of the girl you just dumped into the sea! Beth said it best "Sons of Bitches".

Does Beth still like Greta? I can't believe after all the time Greta spent w/Beth she would say that she believes Joran. I can't stand Greta!!!

Maybe because they know a crab trap and knife were stollen and they know Natalee was taken out to sea.  What makes me sick is that I really believe ALE, KLPD, FBI all of them know.  FBI's hands are tied.

Forgot to say WELCOME!

[robots]

PAULUS is the one

it is clear as DAY

PAULUS is DAURY

paulus was the WOLF at the table



on another note - joran keeps losing more money in his gambling habits


PAULUS IS A KILLER


PAULUS - there is a very good possibility Natalee was ALIVE when you tossed her out like GARBAGE

PAULUS is garbage

[Justice4all]

Hi Monkeys,

I was wondering why the lobster/crab cages keep coming up? Joran said his accomplice dumped her body over the boat. I just don't see them doing the gruesome act of chopping up the body of a dead girl and putting her into a trap/cage, then dumping her. I completely agree with the poster here who said daury is daddy. It makes perfect sense. No wonder Paulus was sweating so profusely onto his kitchen table when Beth and her friends were talking to him the next day. Can you imagine? Here sits the mother of the girl you just dumped into the sea! Beth said it best "Sons of Bitches".

Does Beth still like Greta? I can't believe after all the time Greta spent w/Beth she would say that she believes Joran. I can't stand Greta!!!

I have watched Greta since time began, I think.....BUT I am done ! I have lost all respect for her. Does she have a daughter ? Does she even have a clue of WHAT Beth has been through these past 2 1/2 years ? H E L L  !I am boycotting Greta from this day forward. Let her ratings go down where they belong. She wants ratings, and IMO does not care about what she says or WHO she hurts !

Amen Princess! I agree with you completely! I am boycotting Greta too.

[Lake Erie Princess]

Well all of my dear monkey friends, it is time for this 'ol monkey to lay her gray head down and sleep ! It was wonderful being here today. There is NO place like home ! I need some rest in case my daughter in law decides to go have the baby tonight ! She is over due and my nerves are a wreck !

I hope that our heavenly Father wraps his arms around Beth, very tightly now, with his presence and comfort.ALL GOOD things come to those who are patient, and finally Beth is getting the answers and peace she is long over due to receive ! God bless her, and everyone involved in this search for the TRUTH !

[robots]

ARUBA is in a GIANT LOAD of trouble and the netherlands are right behind them

do something right and get on track is the only thing that will save them
and even then it will be rough but the alternative is even worse
you made youre BED- and PAULUS the KILLER might be sleeping next to you


go get him

[CapsLockWizard]

I did not see the video yet, but based upon synopsis information:

It seems as though it was more simple than we have over-analyzed it to be. I think the following can be safely deduced. There was a date-rape drug, of some sort, administered on Natalee, while she was in CnC. The four of them left the bar with Natalee, while the substance took its initial effects.  SK, DK, JVdS, and NH drove around the island, while the substance took full effect. Along the way, there was probably making-out going on between Natalee and Joran. Joran probably figured that he could score with the incapacitated Natalee, and requested to be dropped off by K2 at a spot, close (but not too close) to the hotel where Natalee was staying. The effects may have taken place while still in the car, but if not, had certainly began taking serious effect upon Natalee.  No, on the beach, he continued his version of romance. At some point, Natalee died of a combination of alcohol and drugs (the substance administered, while at Cnc). Joran, now panicking over being in the presence of a deceased Natalee, has to make on the spot decisions.  He probably figure that a dead tourist would not look good for him, whether or not it was an accident. Taking a dead tourist tot the hospital would not even look got for him. Wrongly, he makes the choice to disappear the body. First, he pulls her off the beach and hides her in any dark foliage that is closeby.  He walks towards hotels, texting DK.  This was probably the 8 minute call. SK, the least involved, in my opinion, probably goes home and falls asleep, as stated. DK, probably on the computer, as he indicates in PVs, sporadically splits attention between online friend from Florida and Joran. In DK's mind, he knows Natalee was not in good shape when he had last seen her. SK does not ask about her until the next day, as he, too, knows that Natalee was not in good shape when he had last seen her. Joran makes it to a pay phone and manages to call home.  Someone in the house, Paulus or Val (under instruction from Paulus) get on the computer as Joran and casually browse the internet.  Meawhile, Paulus now gets involved.  Someone with a boat, as confessed, now enters the picture.  Natalee, still hidden away in darkness or in foliage along the beach, is now drug towards the water and loaded into an awaiting boat, which pulls up close to shore.  If it did not pull up close to shore, than it pulled close enough, even if the body had to be floated out to the awaiting boat.

How much information was given to DK? DK, more than likely, has shared information with his brother, SK.  They may be in this story today because (1) they will seem as though they did not rat out a friend (seeming noble among peers and knowing that their lack of guilt would eventually set them free), (2) they may have been in on the administering of substance at CnC (whether being the dealer or actually placing it in the drink), (3) Paulus reinforcing their need to remain silent, assuring them lack of recovery of a body, and (4) publicity, with potential to monetarily gain from the situation.

Who was the boat owner? - The million dollar question.... Good guesses would be Koen, Steve Croes, Lorenzo. Paulus was probably present. Telling would be if Joran truly went to school, as it was probably encourage so as not to spoof anyone that an "out of the ordinary" event had occurred to his teachers and classmates.  Nonetheless, at school or not, her body was probably dispoded of that evening, as it is starting to to seem.  Another good question to clarify - Were the fisherman's huts truly broken into that evening for purposes of utilizing the missing items (crab trap, knife, etc..) to assist in the disposal of the deceased Natalee?

Rambling a bit, and maybe wrong, but irrelevant suspicions would include: (1) was Paulus in the casino tape, (2) did Paulus withdraw money in the middle of the night (withdrawl of monet would only prove that Paulus ventured out in the wee hours of the night and became immediately involved).

Interesting thought to consider... Joran, Paulus, and boater were speeding out into the ocean, and away from the coastline (maybe from 3AM - 530AM, just guessing), all the while prepping the body for final disposal, once destination was reached.  To make sure Joran went to chool, and after completing dumping of body, dropped back off to shore earlt in morning. Do we believe: (1) bus stop theory, Paulus drove him to school - Joran near Loenzo's home, or (2) phone call at approximately 630AM (Steve Croes) ??

What has been bogus along the way, in our collective thinking? Rock scene, concrete around pool, furniture delivery, belt discovery, Paul Brough, Posner, Sander losing his phone, columbian necktie (unless he was the boater), Pitbull (unless he was the boater), the landfill, the incinerator, lion's den, rave party, GVC, Guido, etc..

What is still unanswered, for me: (1) gardner seeing boys near racquet club, (2) next day at raquest club, and in casinos, (3) looking sweaty when posse arrived late at their house, and others that I can not think of right (feel free to add to my little list)...

Bottom line. Hard to corroborate date-rape drug, if body not discovered. Must accept accidental death theory, if body not discovered. Illegally disposing of a body would definitely be an appropriate charge, accident or not. Can it be proved, without a body, despite his taped confession. Death, can not be conclusively be declared without body. Maybe I am wrong here, but his defense will probably contend that it is more than logical to suspect dead body; however, it can not be concluded as fact unless dead body is discovered. Another appropriate charge would probably be obstruction of justice. Lies and Paulus' manipulation of influential players, within the investigation.

One thing that would change the dynamics would be Natalee's body. DNA and forensics would show substance (or lack thereof) and then the argument would definitely come into play about whether its administration caused the death (equating to manslaughter), semen - no big deal ("she was coherent when I had sex with her... she consented...then died after sex"), or injuries (likely to be explained through the disposal - "her lifeless head hit the side of the boat"). Even if her body was found, illegally disposing of a corpse and obstruction of justice of justice are the most likely to be prosecuted upon.  Joran was a minor, poor Joran, he has a good record, future ahead of him, been traumatized over the last two and a half years, please show some leniency. A few year sentence, at maximum, only has to do half the time (a day good time for every day spent in jail), subtract time already spent in jail, Joran would be out in no time...

I am just rambling...good thoughts, though, I think....

 

Did the beheaded man from the refinery own a boat? 

There is also not a pay phone over that area...The nearest pay phone is behind Mc Donald. Setar calling center...

[BUCKSHOT]

For those who saw the program this evening,

Did it live up to its hype? Shocking? Case solving material?

OR

Was it shocking to see Joran, off guard, not portraying good sporter on camera, but portraying himself, chillingly describing and confirming highly suspected information, while eliminating other red-herring coincidences, and raising further questions?

[Tylergal]

don't forget that mip6 was working at the marriott when natalee disappeared.
dennisintn

That's true.  Mark Purcell, right?

yes ma'am, the profane by his very existence, mark purcell.
dennisintn

So can someone tell me about this person Mark Purcell (MP16, right?)?  I want to know who he is, what he does and how he figures into this.  What does he do for Marriott?  There are ways I can find out but if someone could enlighten me, it would help.
[/quote]

purcell (mip6) is now working at another big hotel on the island now.  his wife is manager of Moomba's, i think, and his son is supposedly a bartender there.  that's from the tired old mind of a man who's been sitting in this chair since 6 a.m. sunday morning, so i might have moomba's wrong.  the wife is also a biggie in the ahata or ata organization.
dennisintn
[/quote]

Hmm, he might just be the guy we are looking for.  Does anyone know if he owns a boat? Or if the Marriott had one for rescue operations, etc?

[LilPuma]

If Paulus paid some member of organized crime to take care of this "little problem his son had", most likely Paulus and Joran are toast.  They now know Joran can't keep his mouth shut.  It's possible that Koen or Steve Croes or someone were involved, but the alleged ATM withdrawals by Paulus, his trips to the bank the next day, the death of the women he spoke with at the bank, and Joran insisting that he will never give this guy up.  I'm thinking that Koen may have gotten a phone call, may know something, but some criminal types ended up "taking care of it." 

I'm tired.  Busy day.  Night Monkeys. 

[Justice4all]

Hi Monkeys,

I was wondering why the lobster/crab cages keep coming up? Joran said his accomplice dumped her body over the boat. I just don't see them doing the gruesome act of chopping up the body of a dead girl and putting her into a trap/cage, then dumping her. I completely agree with the poster here who said daury is daddy. It makes perfect sense. No wonder Paulus was sweating so profusely onto his kitchen table when Beth and her friends were talking to him the next day. Can you imagine? Here sits the mother of the girl you just dumped into the sea! Beth said it best "Sons of Bitches".

Does Beth still like Greta? I can't believe after all the time Greta spent w/Beth she would say that she believes Joran. I can't stand Greta!!!

Maybe because they know a crab trap and knife were stollen and they know Natalee was taken out to sea.  What makes me sick is that I really believe ALE, KLPD, FBI all of them know.  FBI's hands are tied.

Forgot to say WELCOME!

Hi Klaasend!!!
Thank you for your welcome!! I love this site! I have been lurking for so long, but with this new developement, I just had to come talk with you guys. You know, I had forgotten that a crab trap and knife were stolen. There is so much info from way back it's hard to remember it all. I still tend to think they just dumped her into the sea. If you are right that the FBI has known this...... it's just sad.

[Tylergal]

I did not see the video yet, but based upon synopsis information:

It seems as though it was more simple than we have over-analyzed it to be. I think the following can be safely deduced. There was a date-rape drug, of some sort, administered on Natalee, while she was in CnC. The four of them left the bar with Natalee, while the substance took its initial effects.  SK, DK, JVdS, and NH drove around the island, while the substance took full effect. Along the way, there was probably making-out going on between Natalee and Joran. Joran probably figured that he could score with the incapacitated Natalee, and requested to be dropped off by K2 at a spot, close (but not too close) to the hotel where Natalee was staying. The effects may have taken place while still in the car, but if not, had certainly began taking serious effect upon Natalee.  No, on the beach, he continued his version of romance. At some point, Natalee died of a combination of alcohol and drugs (the substance administered, while at Cnc). Joran, now panicking over being in the presence of a deceased Natalee, has to make on the spot decisions.  He probably figure that a dead tourist would not look good for him, whether or not it was an accident. Taking a dead tourist tot the hospital would not even look got for him. Wrongly, he makes the choice to disappear the body. First, he pulls her off the beach and hides her in any dark foliage that is closeby.  He walks towards hotels, texting DK.  This was probably the 8 minute call. SK, the least involved, in my opinion, probably goes home and falls asleep, as stated. DK, probably on the computer, as he indicates in PVs, sporadically splits attention between online friend from Florida and Joran. In DK's mind, he knows Natalee was not in good shape when he had last seen her. SK does not ask about her until the next day, as he, too, knows that Natalee was not in good shape when he had last seen her. Joran makes it to a pay phone and manages to call home.  Someone in the house, Paulus or Val (under instruction from Paulus) get on the computer as Joran and casually browse the internet.  Meawhile, Paulus now gets involved.  Someone with a boat, as confessed, now enters the picture.  Natalee, still hidden away in darkness or in foliage along the beach, is now drug towards the water and loaded into an awaiting boat, which pulls up close to shore.  If it did not pull up close to shore, than it pulled close enough, even if the body had to be floated out to the awaiting boat.

How much information was given to DK? DK, more than likely, has shared information with his brother, SK.  They may be in this story today because (1) they will seem as though they did not rat out a friend (seeming noble among peers and knowing that their lack of guilt would eventually set them free), (2) they may have been in on the administering of substance at CnC (whether being the dealer or actually placing it in the drink), (3) Paulus reinforcing their need to remain silent, assuring them lack of recovery of a body, and (4) publicity, with potential to monetarily gain from the situation.

Who was the boat owner? - The million dollar question.... Good guesses would be Koen, Steve Croes, Lorenzo. Paulus was probably present. Telling would be if Joran truly went to school, as it was probably encourage so as not to spoof anyone that an "out of the ordinary" event had occurred to his teachers and classmates.  Nonetheless, at school or not, her body was probably dispoded of that evening, as it is starting to to seem.  Another good question to clarify - Were the fisherman's huts truly broken into that evening for purposes of utilizing the missing items (crab trap, knife, etc..) to assist in the disposal of the deceased Natalee?

Rambling a bit, and maybe wrong, but irrelevant suspicions would include: (1) was Paulus in the casino tape, (2) did Paulus withdraw money in the middle of the night (withdrawl of monet would only prove that Paulus ventured out in the wee hours of the night and became immediately involved).

Interesting thought to consider... Joran, Paulus, and boater were speeding out into the ocean, and away from the coastline (maybe from 3AM - 530AM, just guessing), all the while prepping the body for final disposal, once destination was reached.  To make sure Joran went to chool, and after completing dumping of body, dropped back off to shore earlt in morning. Do we believe: (1) bus stop theory, Paulus drove him to school - Joran near Loenzo's home, or (2) phone call at approximately 630AM (Steve Croes) ??

What has been bogus along the way, in our collective thinking? Rock scene, concrete around pool, furniture delivery, belt discovery, Paul Brough, Posner, Sander losing his phone, columbian necktie (unless he was the boater), Pitbull (unless he was the boater), the landfill, the incinerator, lion's den, rave party, GVC, Guido, etc..

What is still unanswered, for me: (1) gardner seeing boys near racquet club, (2) next day at raquest club, and in casinos, (3) looking sweaty when posse arrived late at their house, and others that I can not think of right (feel free to add to my little list)...

Bottom line. Hard to corroborate date-rape drug, if body not discovered. Must accept accidental death theory, if body not discovered. Illegally disposing of a body would definitely be an appropriate charge, accident or not. Can it be proved, without a body, despite his taped confession. Death, can not be conclusively be declared without body. Maybe I am wrong here, but his defense will probably contend that it is more than logical to suspect dead body; however, it can not be concluded as fact unless dead body is discovered. Another appropriate charge would probably be obstruction of justice. Lies and Paulus' manipulation of influential players, within the investigation.

One thing that would change the dynamics would be Natalee's body. DNA and forensics would show substance (or lack thereof) and then the argument would definitely come into play about whether its administration caused the death (equating to manslaughter), semen - no big deal ("she was coherent when I had sex with her... she consented...then died after sex"), or injuries (likely to be explained through the disposal - "her lifeless head hit the side of the boat"). Even if her body was found, illegally disposing of a corpse and obstruction of justice of justice are the most likely to be prosecuted upon.  Joran was a minor, poor Joran, he has a good record, future ahead of him, been traumatized over the last two and a half years, please show some leniency. A few year sentence, at maximum, only has to do half the time (a day good time for every day spent in jail), subtract time already spent in jail, Joran would be out in no time...

I am just rambling...good thoughts, though, I think....

 

Did the beheaded man from the refinery own a boat? 

There is also not a pay phone over that area...The nearest pay phone is behind Mc Donald. Setar calling center...

Where Paulus originally stated he "picked them up at 4 a.m."  This area is involved. Maybe Joran waited for the bifront at the water while Paulus went to the bank by McDonald's to get the money and Joran met him there.  The money was probably paid out when Paulus took the "white truck" to meet the bifrons where the hotel lady and others observed a blond being loaded onto a white truck.  I wonder if that MP16 guy was near enough that he could have been the one.  How close is Marriott to McDonald's?

[BUCKSHOT]

Does everyone

(1) believe the story as mostly correct, minus a few details?

OR

(2) still feel conspiracy that Joran purposefully staged this so as to shield others from guilt, all part of a master plan?

[robots]

if joran was sent on his way home

then he was told what happened by paulus or daury

ahhhhhhhhh.... would someone please go arrest paulus

he will CRACK easy

[Tylergal]

I did not see the video yet, but based upon synopsis information:

It seems as though it was more simple than we have over-analyzed it to be. I think the following can be safely deduced. There was a date-rape drug, of some sort, administered on Natalee, while she was in CnC. The four of them left the bar with Natalee, while the substance took its initial effects.  SK, DK, JVdS, and NH drove around the island, while the substance took full effect. Along the way, there was probably making-out going on between Natalee and Joran. Joran probably figured that he could score with the incapacitated Natalee, and requested to be dropped off by K2 at a spot, close (but not too close) to the hotel where Natalee was staying. The effects may have taken place while still in the car, but if not, had certainly began taking serious effect upon Natalee.  No, on the beach, he continued his version of romance. At some point, Natalee died of a combination of alcohol and drugs (the substance administered, while at Cnc). Joran, now panicking over being in the presence of a deceased Natalee, has to make on the spot decisions.  He probably figure that a dead tourist would not look good for him, whether or not it was an accident. Taking a dead tourist tot the hospital would not even look got for him. Wrongly, he makes the choice to disappear the body. First, he pulls her off the beach and hides her in any dark foliage that is closeby.  He walks towards hotels, texting DK.  This was probably the 8 minute call. SK, the least involved, in my opinion, probably goes home and falls asleep, as stated. DK, probably on the computer, as he indicates in PVs, sporadically splits attention between online friend from Florida and Joran. In DK's mind, he knows Natalee was not in good shape when he had last seen her. SK does not ask about her until the next day, as he, too, knows that Natalee was not in good shape when he had last seen her. Joran makes it to a pay phone and manages to call home.  Someone in the house, Paulus or Val (under instruction from Paulus) get on the computer as Joran and casually browse the internet.  Meawhile, Paulus now gets involved.  Someone with a boat, as confessed, now enters the picture.  Natalee, still hidden away in darkness or in foliage along the beach, is now drug towards the water and loaded into an awaiting boat, which pulls up close to shore.  If it did not pull up close to shore, than it pulled close enough, even if the body had to be floated out to the awaiting boat.

How much information was given to DK? DK, more than likely, has shared information with his brother, SK.  They may be in this story today because (1) they will seem as though they did not rat out a friend (seeming noble among peers and knowing that their lack of guilt would eventually set them free), (2) they may have been in on the administering of substance at CnC (whether being the dealer or actually placing it in the drink), (3) Paulus reinforcing their need to remain silent, assuring them lack of recovery of a body, and (4) publicity, with potential to monetarily gain from the situation.

Who was the boat owner? - The million dollar question.... Good guesses would be Koen, Steve Croes, Lorenzo. Paulus was probably present. Telling would be if Joran truly went to school, as it was probably encourage so as not to spoof anyone that an "out of the ordinary" event had occurred to his teachers and classmates.  Nonetheless, at school or not, her body was probably dispoded of that evening, as it is starting to to seem.  Another good question to clarify - Were the fisherman's huts truly broken into that evening for purposes of utilizing the missing items (crab trap, knife, etc..) to assist in the disposal of the deceased Natalee?

Rambling a bit, and maybe wrong, but irrelevant suspicions would include: (1) was Paulus in the casino tape, (2) did Paulus withdraw money in the middle of the night (withdrawl of monet would only prove that Paulus ventured out in the wee hours of the night and became immediately involved).

Interesting thought to consider... Joran, Paulus, and boater were speeding out into the ocean, and away from the coastline (maybe from 3AM - 530AM, just guessing), all the while prepping the body for final disposal, once destination was reached.  To make sure Joran went to chool, and after completing dumping of body, dropped back off to shore earlt in morning. Do we believe: (1) bus stop theory, Paulus drove him to school - Joran near Loenzo's home, or (2) phone call at approximately 630AM (Steve Croes) ??

What has been bogus along the way, in our collective thinking? Rock scene, concrete around pool, furniture delivery, belt discovery, Paul Brough, Posner, Sander losing his phone, columbian necktie (unless he was the boater), Pitbull (unless he was the boater), the landfill, the incinerator, lion's den, rave party, GVC, Guido, etc..

What is still unanswered, for me: (1) gardner seeing boys near racquet club, (2) next day at raquest club, and in casinos, (3) looking sweaty when posse arrived late at their house, and others that I can not think of right (feel free to add to my little list)...

Bottom line. Hard to corroborate date-rape drug, if body not discovered. Must accept accidental death theory, if body not discovered. Illegally disposing of a body would definitely be an appropriate charge, accident or not. Can it be proved, without a body, despite his taped confession. Death, can not be conclusively be declared without body. Maybe I am wrong here, but his defense will probably contend that it is more than logical to suspect dead body; however, it can not be concluded as fact unless dead body is discovered. Another appropriate charge would probably be obstruction of justice. Lies and Paulus' manipulation of influential players, within the investigation.

One thing that would change the dynamics would be Natalee's body. DNA and forensics would show substance (or lack thereof) and then the argument would definitely come into play about whether its administration caused the death (equating to manslaughter), semen - no big deal ("she was coherent when I had sex with her... she consented...then died after sex"), or injuries (likely to be explained through the disposal - "her lifeless head hit the side of the boat"). Even if her body was found, illegally disposing of a corpse and obstruction of justice of justice are the most likely to be prosecuted upon.  Joran was a minor, poor Joran, he has a good record, future ahead of him, been traumatized over the last two and a half years, please show some leniency. A few year sentence, at maximum, only has to do half the time (a day good time for every day spent in jail), subtract time already spent in jail, Joran would be out in no time...

I am just rambling...good thoughts, though, I think....

 

Did the beheaded man from the refinery own a boat? 

There is also not a pay phone over that area...The nearest pay phone is behind Mc Donald. Setar calling center...

Where Paulus originally stated he "picked them up at 4 a.m."  This area is involved. Maybe Joran waited for the bifront at the water while Paulus went to the bank by McDonald's to get the money and Joran met him there.  The money was probably paid out when Paulus took the "white truck" to meet the bifrons where the hotel lady and others observed a blond being loaded onto a white truck.  I wonder if that MP16 guy was near enough that he could have been the one.  How close is Marriott to McDonald's?

Joran's old girlfriend, Melody, who said she saw him that night until she got caught up in her own web and decided it was Saturday night lives in that area.  Perhaps her family owns a boat.  They seem to like Joran and defended him to the nth degree.  We cannot rule out the MP16 guy or Melody's family member.

[robots]

Devries has more on tape

there will be more coming

aint that the way all these things work - more info coming


the evidence is overwhelming - this will cause a MELTDOWN in aruba

meltdown baby

[Destiny]

Night Monkeys! 

Nite Kippy

[CapsLockWizard]

if joran was sent on his way home

then he was told what happened by paulus or daury

ahhhhhhhhh.... would someone please go arrest paulus

he will CRACK easy

Yes he is the weakest Link in this case..