Natalee Case Discussion #685 10/7 - 10/14/2007

[Lala'sMom]

Lala'sMom- This is my opinion

4th suspect arrested-Steve Croes
(Son of prominent businessman?)

Lorenzo questioned- at his mother's home
(They said he was cowering under a table
Who would know this?  ALE.)

(Both same age.)

UPDATE: Initials S.C. born 21 -07-1978 –>
Has only one hit in national health system: Steve Gregg C. J. Croes

Who works for heath system?  ArubaGirl.
Who has connections withn ALE? ArubaGirl.
If you read Simian's posts you will see "slips" of who they are.

...The 5th suspect is Paulus.

Hi Steve, glad I found you. Hey, let's talk about the 5th suspect.  As you can see the news media had not mentioned Paulus at this time.  They were clearly talking about 2 people, Steve and Lorenzo.  So how do you get Paulus as a 5th person?  I know what I think is the case, but as you can see, and if you have read here very long, you will see that according to news reports they are not talking about Paulus yet.  Tell me your reasoning, please. 

I think I have some info you would be interested in, Klaas can give you my email if you like. TIA

[Lala'sMom]

One more thing...I thought Lorenzo was brought into the police station for questioning...where is the reports of his being questioned at his mom's house...the one that is now a party club?

[steve]

J2K were first 3 suspects ARRESTED
SC was the 4th arrested *
PVS was the 5th arrested/detained

Lorenzo was questioned early on at Astrid's home

* (Is SC father a prominent businesssman?
Or are they confusing stories with Lorenzo?)

Remember, if Simian is truly ArubaGirl then there are some secrets
she is sharing...from ALE & possibly van der Straaten.
and there was alot of rumors being told also.

[Kermit]

Yoo Hoo!!!! Is anyone here?  I need some clarification please.  It's about the 4th and 5th suspect again.  I was going back over some stuff (Yes,it was Shango/Simian) and I was wondering about something. It is also about Lorenzo, yes that dreaded name that conjures up all manner of devisiveness.  Please bear with me.  It is from a FP story on June 17 about new suspects arrested. 

I understand there is confusion in the news reports as to who was 4 and who was 5 to be arrested or whatever term they use, detained, questioned, etc.  Here is what confuses me. I am copying parts of the FP story here as follows:

9:14am **** UPDATE ****
4th arrest made in Natalee Holloway case

9:17 am: From one of our great sources in Aruba, americaninaruba …

    today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ……with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning…surprised the family with this arrest….we got different information, but we want to get all concrete things together before we bring this news to you…..we dont want to confuse anyone! we want to say that their is suspicion that she is ALIVE! but we dont want to bring up any suspicion to anyone but we will be back with info if this person has information for this case…also in Savaneta they took someone for interogation…..we are hoping this will come to an end, with all this suspicion we believe shes alive…..stay pending…..thank you harry

****
At 9:50 am: MSNBC & Fox have just reported the arrest of a fourth suspect. A 27 year old man.
It has been confirmed by Fox speaking to individual in Justice department 4th arrest 26 year old friend of joran

Fox News now reporting: Sources: 4th Person Arrested in Aruba Mystery

    Authorities in Aruba arrested a fourth man in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway, sources told FOX News.

    The new person detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot — who was with Holloway the night she disappeared, sources said. Van der Sloot, 17, has been detained but not charged.

****
Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.

The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.
[/b]
Update: 1045 There is a rumor of another person taken into custody, his father recently committed suicide and that he has had serious mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was know for having underground parties.

This is getting a little bizarre.

From the AP: Fourth Person Detained in Holloway Disappearance

11:00 am:

    ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A fourth person has been detained in Aruba in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, authorities announced Friday.
    The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified by the attorney general’s office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose the gender or say when the person was detained.

According to Top 95 via American in Aruba

The arrest this morning was of a 26 year old. There wwere 2 dutch brothers questioned yesterday may have provided some information that led to this arrest. Also , a family friend of Joran Van Der Sloot was on the radio saying the Joran was a quiet nice boy who liked to go out with friends. The station is holding out hope publicly on the radio that she may be alive.

Let us hope and pray.

UPDATE: Initials S.C. born 21 -07-1978 –> Has only one hit in national health system: Steve Gregg C. J. Croes


Does anyone, have any other sources that talks of these two people.  Clearly, after all this time they are talking about Steve Croes and Lorenzo.  I would like to be able to clear up this "PVDS as 5th person status". It does not seem to me that these reports are talking about Paulus at all.   Remember this is the catalyst that caused Simian to begin posting.  Until this time, Simian was silent, if he indeed was ALE as some think, then it was these two people that began the process of his posting to release information that he wanted out, but couldn't because of his work status.  Okay, monkeys....help me here.

June 9 Joran/K2 detained
June 13 security guards released
June 14 search near Marriott Hotel
June 15 search of vdSloot property
June 16 Lorenzo questioned (considered a suspect according to Tito Lacle/FOXNews/Aruba Today)
June 17 Maxito Arendsz questioned, provided alibi for Lorenzo
___________________________________________________________________
[NOTE: June 17 Steve Croes detained
June 17 Steve Croes detained
June 18 Paulus questioned
June 18 The decapitated body of Rene Van Heyningen is found
June 18 Sergio Gomez is reported missing, police find his abandoned pick-up truck
June 19 Paulus questioned

# SHOCKtheMONKEY  Says:
June 23rd, 2005 at 11:32 am

the PIMPle is about to pop

June 23 Paulus detained

"Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:17 pm P 1178
Steve Croes is singing."
June 26 Paulus released/he goes home; Croes' release ordered/he walks out the next day

simian's first post: June 17/first mention of 5th suspect: June 22

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled."

"Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week."
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?"
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

None of the above is true about Steve Croes ... or Paulus
which leaves us with all of the above is true about Lorenzo = Lorenzo is the 5th suspect.

Simian was presenting ALE's view of who the suspects were, not the bloggers' view.

Simian was presenting PR for ALE so Simian's suspect count was five:

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve ... & Lorenzo who had the bafflingly strong party host alibi.

Party host Steve? No. Party host Paulus? No. party host Lorenzo? Yes.

If we're going to refer to simian's 5th suspect & that was said on June 22 ...
we can only list the names that were considered suspects by that date:
Maxito was not himself a suspect ... he was brought in because Lorenzo said: "He's my alibi, ask him." So they did and he alibi'd Lorenzo.

Simian Says:

June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
4:29 post
JVDS and Kalpoes are involved in prostitution/drugs ring themselves, not just getting dope from the dealers


#   subdude  Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:44 am

casanostra: I believe you are right and the Polis Chief, Prime Minister, JVDS, PVDS the Kalpoes, Stephen Croes and Lorenzo VanRijn are all intertwined with casanostra dealing dope, prostitution, etc…
I think Joran gots his drugs to deal there and dabbled in the sex slave trade. PVDS pimped young girls as well. Remember “PIMPle is about to pop” right before PVDS arrest?












Another Aruban blogger from another site wrote that some of Natalee's
belongings were found at Van Rijn's house."
http://coffeepotghost.com/NATALEE_HOLLOWAY_CASE_LORENZO_LARRY_VAN_RIJN.html

Lorenezo Van Rijn was brought in for questioning and owns a van.
Source:http://tinyurl.com/3dpe8b

Van Rijn Lorenzo and Max Arendzs were detained and questioned on Friday - Lorenzo is the drug lord and a friend of Paulus VDS - they also are all tied to Steve Croes.

LORENZO:
http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-26041
Izzy Mae
Since we aren't getting a lot of news reports right now, I thought I'd bring up some of the things floating around. I've read bits and pieces discussed here on WS but I haven't really been able to tie it all together.

I've been very unclear about the wealthy, early twenties, Lorenzo van Rijn and what his role is. one tidbit that's interesting, van Rijn is supposedly PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT's illegitimate son (Joran's half brother)... how is he involved?

The story, according to neighbors of Van Rijn's mom, "this lady had an affair with PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT before he was married to his current wife, and the result was Lorenzo van Rijn." umm, okay...

Regardless, we know Lorenzo van Rijn's mother was married to a VW auto dealer, van Rijn "Sr." (for clarity sake) Together they raised the young Lorenzo van Rijn Jr., at least until his (Sr.) death. He committed suicide a couple of years ago, by hanging himself. This could explain why Lorenzo Van Rijn Jr. is so wealthy? who knows, but apparently he's also into several different things, including, the drug business, quite heavily, from what they say.

From what I've read, "Van Rijn is feared by many on the island due to the fact that so many find him so sinister. His home is one of the only homes on the island which has a basement..."

hmmm... :waitasec:a basement huh? hahaa, sounds sinister, but what does that have to do with anything, right? btw, he also owns a speed boat too

well, according to Riehl World View, they reported that a blogger from Aruba, on another site, wrote that some of Natalee's belongings were found at Van Rijn's house...
wonder what belongings that could have been, since she really didn't take anything with her...

Now, take this with a grain of salt, however, we can't disregard the fact that van Rijn was brought in for questioning in Natalee's disappearance June 15. Even if they didn't find her "belongings," at his house, LE brought him in. I can't help but wonder why? There is a connection somewhere.

At the same time as Van Rijn, a guy by the name of, was also brought in for questioning.

I'm getting my info, links pics. from www.RiehlWorldView.com
A quick comment about RiehlWorldView. Most are already familiar with this guy, but for those who aren't, he is a blogger that's sort of like a web detective journalist, so to speak. He has been following Natalee's case from the beginning. He is so well informed, Fox News sites him, even invited him as guest for an interview discussing details on the case. Not only does Fox look to him for information and updates, but other web news groups, bloggers etc., do as well. He's also consistently made the home/front page of Blogger News Network. (http://www.legendgames.net/blognews.asp) He reports on EVERYTHING, and does a good job of separating fact from fiction and discussing heresy.

I have a lot more stuff to post, I'm trying to keep it short and as clear as possible so, I'm gathering up the info now.
dani
Hi Izzy Mae! :wavey guy:



Van Rijn Lorenzo and Max Arends were detained and questioned on Friday - Lorenzo is the drug lord and a friend of Paulus VDS - they also are all tied to Steve Croes. It has been rumored that there is a cell phone record from 6:20AM the morning Natalee went missing from Steve Croes to Joran. http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=454720&forumStart=0


omega
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Joined: 31 Jul 2005

   
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:02 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Riehl World View: Fourth Man
Lorenzo is the son of the deceased VW car dealer, seems to be very much related to ... Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever...

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html - 92k -


*******, I personally know Lorenzo very well and since he (to my knowledge) isn't guilty or plays a part in the NH case I'd rather refrain from giving out personal info.

What is known (was in the papers), the police (way in the beginning) got an anonimous tip by phone, and went (without a searchwarrant and were allowed)to search his house and question him. Nothing was found, he also had an alibi and that settled it.
Him being PdvS son is a rumour that started during the NH case. I think because Lorenzo's dad's name was Paul too, they are both Dutch etc. that rumour started. But there is no truth to it.

More I can't tell you about him. Lorenzo is a guy who luckily does not hang out on the Internet (so he will not read some of the ludicrous things posted about him) and has no pictures online. Non of the pictures you've seen online claiming to be him, is him.

Posted by: Dolores | Aug 31, 2005 9:33:45 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_75.html


A poster on an Aruban blog.....take this as you will...said Steve Croes told his grandmother he saw an argument on the beach, the three and Natalee, and went back to washing the boat. This was repeated to a neighbor who was related to the person who told the tale

went back to washing which boat? The tattoo? It is way too far away from anywhere any of these things happened. It is a VERY big boat, moored way off shore, and up by the DePalm Pier-more than a quarter mile away. He would not have seen anything on the beach by the HI or Marriott-
Also-The Tattoo has a maintainance crew-washing the boat is not a one man job.

Posted by: scubajap | Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 07:22 PM
 http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2006/03/466.html


And Joran even mentions him in his first statement, that Steve Croes is the witness to seeing him drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and the two security guards coming up to take her.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/


STEVE CROES:
Rufi Solognier lives next door to Steve G.Croes, uncle, RUMORED ex-polis.
Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described his nephew as a quiet divorced man with a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html




http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=2256.0

           14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?

Dave: Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby.



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Re: Evidence in the case
« Reply #467 on: Today at 07:28:17 PM »

Lorenzo does not have the biggest house on the island.
His father was a businessman (owner of WV dealership) who became a drug addict and consequently committed suicide.
Now he is a young boy, who inherrited a lot of money (inlcuidng insurance money) does not have to work, party all the time and having all that money also comes addictions.
Posted by: MF | July 27, 2005 01:30 PM

That's not Lorenzo! That's another pic, Lorenzo looks nothing like that if you're referring to the son of the VW dealership owner.
Lorenzo's father was Paul van Rijn, he was a completely different man from PVDS.
Lorenzo is a gabber, shaved head, long skinny pale guy.
Posted by: Disappointed Arubian | July 27, 2005 11:54 AM


VAN RIJN IM- EN EXPORT N.V.
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=11046

R & S GO-KART RACING-TRACK ARUBA N.V. F
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=15203

VAN RIJN-VAN TRAKSEL ASTRID LOUISE 123-K SAVANETA
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm

Death Information for Paul van Rijn:

Achternaam = Surname
Rijn van

Voornaam = Distinguished
Paul

Geboren = Born
Haarlem 27-12-1958

Echtgen./Weduw. = Widow
E Astrid Traksel

Overleden = Died
Aruba 20-10-2001

Datum krant = Date newspaper
25-10-2001
http://Http://www.members.lycos.nl/bidprentjes/2001/2001r.htm

Of course I don't know who the sperm donor was.
Just saying he is said to be the son of Paul and Astrid...
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4161.465

_______________________________________________________
Lorenzo's dad is a member of the Aruban paramillitary, skilled at black ops, etc, during the unrest during the 1970s.

Posted by: Monty | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:32 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html#comments

sandraK posted on July 17, 2006 at 05:41:54 AM:
Lorenzo Van Rijn is 28 now.and Still has NOT met Joran or Paul.
He has nothing to do with this case.


akband27 posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:36:26 PM:
why was Joran being picked up at Lorenzos house the next morning then? answer that...

Rob posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:52:13 PM:
Joran stayed at Lorenzos in the days before Natalee went missing...everyone was gone to Holland but joran.. he stayed there with Lorenzo....Im getting some more info on this but I will wait to get the whole story before saying anymore...

GrannyToad posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:59:36 PM:
Rob you just knocked me flat over. I hate when you do that.


Rob posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:59:36 PM:
Sorry GT.. I dont know everything yet.. I do know that much so far...he was totally unaccounted for while the rest of the family was out of town...I suspect he was driving a vehicle owned by someone other that a family member.. he was getting around some how...He was going to the casino and other events, and he wasnt relying on deeeeepak for all of those rides...

He is a close associate of lorenzo, who also just had his name de-capitalized.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4095.msg130307#msg130307

I will talk to you later about Vadir Van Loen. Someone Named HARRY is getting him mixed up with my Pal, Lorenzo Van Rijn.
;^)

Posted by: Key West | Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 08:12 AM

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=76&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=680

[klaasend]

J2K were first 3 suspects ARRESTED
SC was the 4th arrested *
PVS was the 5th arrested/detained

Lorenzo was questioned early on at Astrid's home

* (Is SC father a prominent businesssman?
Or are they confusing stories with Lorenzo?)

Remember, if Simian is truly ArubaGirl then there are some secrets
she is sharing...from ALE & possibly van der Straaten.
and there was alot of rumors being told also.

I do not believe for a minute that Simian was Arubagirl

[steve]

June 17 Steve Croes detained

June 18 Paulus questioned

June 18 The decapitated body of Rene Van Heyningen is found
June 18 Sergio Gomez is reported missing, police find his abandoned pick-up truck
June 18 "A" Ruth Dijkhoff dies at age 52

June 19 Paulus questioned

[klaasend]

June 17 Steve Croes detained

June 18 Paulus questioned

June 18 The decapitated body of Rene Van Heyningen is found
June 18 Sergio Gomez is reported missing, police find his abandoned pick-up truck
June 18 "A" Ruth Dijkhoff dies at age 52

June 19 Paulus questioned

June 18, 2005 not a good day for some in Aruba

[Anna]

Loving Natalee is No. 34 on The New York Times Best Sellers list - Nonfiction.

"Rankings reflect sales, for the week ended Oct. 6, at many thousands of venues where a wide range of general interest books are sold nationwide."

 

This is wonderful news.  Remember Beth is to be on Dana's program tomorrow night.

Klaas, are we supposed to email questions to Dana or just listen or do you know?

.

[Lala'sMom]

First I need to see more evidence that Simian was or is connected to AG in some way.  Not saying it is not possible that someone connected to her could not be one of the dopple ganger Simians.  I just want to keep an open mind is all.

Steve, what makes you think that AG is Simian?  I would need more proof than the insurance records.  I do understand where you are going with this, I just need more info is all. 

I was not privy to the info that Grande used to determine that Simian was a memeber of ALE, so I can not comment on that directly either.  I do intend to keep an open mind to all possibilities...even the 5th suspect as being Paulus.  I just want to rehash some things and try to clear up this one point. Thanks.

[klaasend]

Loving Natalee is No. 34 on The New York Times Best Sellers list - Nonfiction.

"Rankings reflect sales, for the week ended Oct. 6, at many thousands of venues where a wide range of general interest books are sold nationwide."

 

This is wonderful news.  Remember Beth is to be on Dana's program tomorrow night.

Klaas, are we supposed to email questions to Dana or just listen or do you know?

.

I don't know.  Will ask Red.  It never hurts to email Dana questions though 

[Observer]

Nice find on the Lorenzo's posts..I have looked for Dolores comments she made to me and I couldnt find them...I didnt know Ruth Dijhkoff died on june-18th-2005

[klaasend]

I do not trust any posts coming from Sandrak/Keywest, especially in regards to Lorenzo.  She admitted to me she didn't even know him.  IMO, SandraK most of the time is FOS.

[steve]

http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html

No way of knowing if this is the Ruth Dijkhoff- Paulus "saw at the bank"
It would make sense that he went there to make a substantial withdrawal
from a bank officer.  Not to deposit Joran's winnings. As he could have used the ATM. The bank manager is also a Dijkhoff.

Rene van Heyningen-"Columbian Necktie"  Symbolic of one who could "talk"
Not the work of a petite wife.

Sergio & Rene both found with their pick up trucks at another location.

[steve]

It was ArubaGirl that first told us of Lorenzo
Some recluse living in the "hills" that has parties
and drives a psychedelic van

IMO It's just a rumor that Natalee's possessions were found at his house.
When?  By whom?

[klaasend]

It was ArubaGirl that first told us of Lorenzo
Some recluse living in the "hills" that has parties
and drives a psychedelic van

IMO It's just a rumor that Natalee's possessions were found at his house.
When?  By whom?

Yes, AG was one of the first to mention Lorenzo.  She said it was a rumor that he was PVDS illegitimate son.  Also rumor that some of Natalee's clothes were found at Lorenzo's. 

I believe much of what we heard from Arubans very early in the case, prior to June 15th may have been true.  Then they were all told to STFU.

[Observer]

Lorenzo is a gabber, shaved head, long skinny pale guy.
Posted by: Disappointed Arubian | July 27, 2005 11:54 AM

*******, I personally know Lorenzo very well and since he (to my knowledge) isn't guilty or plays a part in the NH case I'd rather refrain from giving out personal info.

What is known (was in the papers), the police (way in the beginning) got an anonimous tip by phone, and went (without a searchwarrant and were allowed)to search his house and question him. Nothing was found, he also had an alibi and that settled it.Him being PdvS son is a rumour that started during the NH case. I think because Lorenzo's dad's name was Paul too, they are both Dutch etc. that rumour started. But there is no truth to it.

More I can't tell you about him. Lorenzo is a guy who luckily does not hang out on the Internet (so he will not read some of the ludicrous things posted about him) and has no pictures online. Non of the pictures you've seen online claiming to be him, is him.

Posted by: Dolores | Aug 31, 2005 9:33:45 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_75.html
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Sounds like this guy wins the award for describing lorenzo's looks the best..LOL!! Apparently in the very first few days someone called in a tip that Natalee's clothes were found in Lorenzo's house..False tip like those made about Vader?? Or was it a witness reporting real info that Natalee was indeed at his house?

[Observer]

It was ArubaGirl that first told us of Lorenzo
Some recluse living in the "hills" that has parties
and drives a psychedelic van

IMO It's just a rumor that Natalee's possessions were found at his house.
When?  By whom?

Yes, AG was one of the first to mention Lorenzo.  She said it was a rumor that he was PVDS illegitimate son.  Also rumor that some of Natalee's clothes were found at Lorenzo's. 

I believe much of what we heard from Arubans very early in the case, prior to June 15th may have been true.  Then they were all told to STFU.

I agree 100% Although Dolores was a very good friend of Lorenzo's and defended him big time. She most likely wouldnt know the truth if he was involved or not anyways.

[2NJSons_Mom]

It was ArubaGirl that first told us of Lorenzo
Some recluse living in the "hills" that has parties
and drives a psychedelic van

IMO It's just a rumor that Natalee's possessions were found at his house.
When?  By whom?

Yes, AG was one of the first to mention Lorenzo.  She said it was a rumor that he was PVDS illegitimate son.  Also rumor that some of Natalee's clothes were found at Lorenzo's. 

I believe much of what we heard from Arubans very early in the case, prior to June 15th may have been true.  Then they were all told to STFU.

AG never direct quoted in any of her responses, which makes it a little more difficult to trace her comments.  I just found a post from 6/23, where Dragonfly asked who her source(s) were...AG's reply:

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the rumor about his being a son is from a former neighbour of his mom. The rumor about NH being held there is from someone who has a lot of friends among the police.

[Lala'sMom]

Okay, no more Lorenzo for now...how about Paulus being the 5th suspect.  I know that many have said he is...that would make Simian saying he was the one "with the alibi, so tight".  The party?  Who had a party?  How could Paulus be having a party at his house and be in the casino as late at 7 or 8 PM?  These points need to be reconciled in order to attribute a party to the 5th suspect and him being PVDS.  I know the "boyfriend" comment always throws some people off, but let's just leave that one for the time being and see if we can indeed establish Paulus as being the 5th suspect.  I tend to think the term "boyfriend" is a translation error or just plain semantics in the way it is used.  Any ideas?  Come on guys....help me here.

[klaasend]

Okay, no more Lorenzo for now...how about Paulus being the 5th suspect.  I know that many have said he is...that would make Simian saying he was the one "with the alibi, so tight".  The party?  Who had a party?  How could Paulus be having a party at his house and be in the casino as late at 7 or 8 PM?  These points need to be reconciled in order to attribute a party to the 5th suspect and him being PVDS.  I know the "boyfriend" comment always throws some people off, but let's just leave that one for the time being and see if we can indeed establish Paulus as being the 5th suspect.  I tend to think the term "boyfriend" is a translation error or just plain semantics in the way it is used.  Any ideas?  Come on guys....help me here.

Lala's I have to stay out of this one.  I just cannot imagine in any way shape or form that Paulus was the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week. 

I still lean towards Lorenzo being the 5th suspect and possible "boyfriend" from earlier in the week.