Natalee Case Discussion #719 2/02 - 2/03/08

[AZSunny]

Klaas check the cox site for email

[Destiny]

I, for one, have great expectations for the Sunday airing of Joran's confession!

Of course he is resigned...it can't be stopped.  Joran said it himself. "ALL HELLS BREAKING LOOSE"

The damn of *fear* in the general populace, I feel, is starting to crack.  I feel the airing of the show, might, just might, make someone in the know, feel brave or greedy enough to blast the dam wide open.

The REWARD $$$ offered by Beth...will take on a life of it's own.

Repost of MHO

[Frank]

It's been a pleasure, but this is not the end, it's the beginning.

Aruba will now be on trial. Forget about legal ramifications, we can't do anything about this.

This video will open more questions on the activity of the government of Aruba, and Aruba will now have to defend it's actions.

This is a great day, and the beginning of holding those involved in the coverup accountable.

It also gives credibility to everything Beth and Dave have been saying.

Oduber and Croes have followed their lawyer, Tacopina's advice, they have been silent. Very glaring...

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/03/natalee-holloway-joran-van-der-sloot-liar-liar-lying-is-not-a-defense/

Natalee Holloway: Joran Van der Sloot … LIAR, LIAR … Lying is not a Defense

[Bearlyhere]

Can someone tell me how many times Julia Renfro has been married, how many children she has and if she has indicated who their fathers might be, if she knows even.

Well, if you remember the night her camera wasn't working...LOL...she told me that she had gone by the police station with her husband and 3 children, which were sitting in the car, before going to her MIL house for lunch.  there she was the famous dossier she referred to all the time. 

Yes, I do recall that and one reason I asked as I thought at one time she had told us she had 4 children.  Now I am really confused. I hear they are a raucous bunch as well.  I would like to know who their fathers are.  Her saying she has a husband is like Joran saying he has never told a lie.

Wasn't she supposed to be pregnant at one time (remember her Jug 'incident').  Maybe that is why there is confusion???

[Blonde]

Remember what Freddie said in his statement, "She kept falling until she didn't get up".  She was running from a gang rape and gang means more than 1.  And I still believe it was at Jorans home or inside the Sloot residence with Paulus in attendance. (MO)

 hearing Joran say that "they" had sex with her and she kept passing in and out.

[AZSunny]

Steve Croes was fired from the Tattoo and given a bigger, better job as DJ where?  The den of iniquity...so he can keep targeting young unsuspecting females. Pay me enough and continue to pay me and I will keep quiet...I bet if he is named in all this...he sings faster than Taco can spin...SWEAT ALERT!! MOO

They will not put one finger on Steve Croes.  Steve Croes will deny everything.  They need proof that he was involved and by proof I mean other witnesses coming forward.  All he has to do is say I have no idea what Joran is saying.  I don't even know him.  Joran is a pathological liar and he says it himself.

Do you really think Steve Croes is bright enough to keep his mouth shut??  I don't.  He is the one that went to the cops in the first place. dumb as a box of rocks. 

[Tylergal]

Steve Croes and the boat fits what we have heard before. He gave the false alibi and said "it was to someone he did not know and had never met". He reportedly told his grandmother he was on the beach that night and observed a fight between three boys and a girl. he was fired from his job watching the tatoo that night for leaving the boat moored off of marriot Beach. We will have to wait and see if he is the one mentioned by Joran.

The connection to Steve Croes runs trough Deepak. It could be Deepak contacted Croes and had him move the boat to a waiting Joran who swam the body out to the boat.

During the eight minute phone call, while Juron was on hold??

On 7-14 DILMA ARENDS reported that evidence in the form of cellular phone tracking records of principal suspect J. Sloot pinpoint that he did make a 4:00 AM cellular phone call.  ARENDS also alluded that the forensics may have pinpointed precisely from where principal suspect J. Sloot placed the cellular phone call from.  ARENDS also said that at 4:00 AM current suspect D. Kalpoe was home, but after receiving the cellular phone call from principal suspect J. Sloot, he left his home and then went to the "Marriott Hotel" location.

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

"Bill's house.." 

[robots]

i dont want a pound of flesh

i want 1000 pounds

1 pound from everyone that was involved in the murder and the cover up and endless
slamming of Natalee and her family


and after today, it will begin

yea, call me vengeful

I DONT CARE

 

[MumInOhio]

PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Marcus+Williams++steve+croes&fr=ybr_sbc&u=edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html&w=marcus+williams+steve+croes&d=KcwNyXDuQL0q&icp=1&.intl=us

What do we know about Wiggins?...TIA

[AZSunny]

Steve Croes and the boat fits what we have heard before. He gave the false alibi and said "it was to someone he did not know and had never met". He reportedly told his grandmother he was on the beach that night and observed a fight between three boys and a girl. he was fired from his job watching the tatoo that night for leaving the boat moored off of marriot Beach. We will have to wait and see if he is the one mentioned by Joran.

The connection to Steve Croes runs trough Deepak. It could be Deepak contacted Croes and had him move the boat to a waiting Joran who swam the body out to the boat.

During the eight minute phone call, while Juron was on hold??

On 7-14 DILMA ARENDS reported that evidence in the form of cellular phone tracking records of principal suspect J. Sloot pinpoint that he did make a 4:00 AM cellular phone call.  ARENDS also alluded that the forensics may have pinpointed precisely from where principal suspect J. Sloot placed the cellular phone call from.  ARENDS also said that at 4:00 AM current suspect D. Kalpoe was home, but after receiving the cellular phone call from principal suspect J. Sloot, he left his home and then went to the "Marriott Hotel" location.

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

"Bill's house.." 

HUH????

[Bearlyhere]

Freddy needs to tell the truth....he can't he is in other nefarious things too deep.  Arrest Freddy and tell him to keep quiet.  If not, then he's going down for the under age girl in the porn video.  Keep quiet and all will go away...if we can get Joran to stop talking...damn that boy! MOO

About this video, I thought Anita said it was cute and the girl was in a bathing suit or does she have the Sloot Memory Disease?

[Kat_Gram]

The KLPD did their own investigation. There is plenty of evidence we have not seen. All circumstantial. If Joran taped story can be tied to that, and the other person, then they have enough to convict.
.. Where is Beth ? I read over at RU that she was still in NL...
..... Wrongful death ?  In Holland ?

[Nut44x4]

O/T

Klaas or San...Daniel Martin in missing peeps...found safe.
Thanks.

[robots]

Freddy needs to tell the truth....he can't he is in other nefarious things too deep.  Arrest Freddy and tell him to keep quiet.  If not, then he's going down for the under age girl in the porn video.  Keep quiet and all will go away...if we can get Joran to stop talking...damn that boy! MOO

About this video, I thought Anita said it was cute and the girl was in a bathing suit or does she have the Sloot Memory Disease?

sloot memory disease ??????????????????????????????????


ROFL 

[Jerry from Ohio]

   I agree with you BM of KY  and if anyone doesn't think Paulus wouldn't be capable of Joining in on a Gang rape with a lovely woman like Natalee there just fooling themselves  because most of us know that she would not allow him to have carnal Knowledge of her voluntarily with out being harmed or drugged or something like that .  Face it  the man is creepy !




Remember what Freddie said in his statement, "She kept falling until she didn't get up".  She was running from a gang rape and gang means more than 1.  And I still believe it was at Jorans home or inside the Sloot residence with Paulus in attendance. (MO)
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[klaasend]

Posted at RU:

rosalia2006 wrote:

Joran is spiteful and arrogant. He thinks he can do or say anything. His family has been though enough with him. His parents and lawyers all cautioned him a long time ago to not give interviews, etc. He writes a book, he goes on DeVries show etc. This miserable, ungrateful kid thumbed his nose at all the character building, free lawyering, USA and Aruban support and defense. He was finally ruled no longer a suspect.

Now he can wallow in his own lies.

His arrogance may now well be his undoing. He just couldnt resist being a braggart. He just couldnt resist being the man in the know. He either lied before or is lying now. He is a liar. Who cares what he did or didnt do, anymore? He is not worthy of my continued efforts to give him a pass.

I defended him for all this time. I am so disappointed my faith and trust were misplaced.
As for Natalee, she is in a better place. Either she is off living the good life in some Caribbean isle, or she is in heaven.


The End. On to Superbowl Sunday.

[Tylergal]

PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Marcus+Williams++steve+croes&fr=ybr_sbc&u=edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html&w=marcus+williams+steve+croes&d=KcwNyXDuQL0q&icp=1&.intl=us

"doesn't believe" and if he was a model employee, why was he fired?  All of this is getting so much juicier as Peter de Vries unravels some parts of this and makes us look anew at all of it all over again. 

What about Nadira?  Why was she fired?  Don't tell me what you read.  Tell me what you are thinking right now.  Did she have a key to the restaurant where they have big freezers and other necessary equipment to keep decaying flesh from smelling.

[Tylergal]

Remember what Freddie said in his statement, "She kept falling until she didn't get up".  She was running from a gang rape and gang means more than 1.  And I still believe it was at Jorans home or inside the Sloot residence with Paulus in attendance. (MO)

This sounds like the psychic who said she was running away on the beach and the psychic got to a certain point and was very disturbed, so much so that she did not want to go on with her "reading."

[robots]

Posted at RU:

rosalia2006 wrote:

Joran is spiteful and arrogant. He thinks he can do or say anything. His family has been though enough with him. His parents and lawyers all cautioned him a long time ago to not give interviews, etc. He writes a book, he goes on DeVries show etc. This miserable, ungrateful kid thumbed his nose at all the character building, free lawyering, USA and Aruban support and defense. He was finally ruled no longer a suspect.

Now he can wallow in his own lies.

His arrogance may now well be his undoing. He just couldnt resist being a braggart. He just couldnt resist being the man in the know. He either lied before or is lying now. He is a liar. Who cares what he did or didnt do, anymore? He is not worthy of my continued efforts to give him a pass.

I defended him for all this time. I am so disappointed my faith and trust were misplaced.
As for Natalee, she is in a better place. Either she is off living the good life in some Caribbean isle, or she is in heaven.


The End. On to Superbowl Sunday.

she aint in the caribean,,,, sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeshh

give it up already