Natalee Case Discussion #837 6/10/10 - 6/12/10

[Tamikosmom]

Security camera have been Joran van der Sloots undoing.  However ... unlike the Peruvian law enforcement ... Aruban law enforcement do not react accordingly.

Justice for Natalee Holloway was never an Aruban option.

Janet

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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 48:  Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham.  It’s about three o’clock in the morning.  It’s a school night.  They aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.


Loving Natalee Beth - Holloway

Page 97:  The black and white footage plays. The video is grainy, but clearly shows the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn.  I ask them to rewind I and play it again.

Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her.  She never came back.  She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 6:18 a.m. PT, Tues., Dec. 6, 2005

BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

[Lifesong]

van der straaten = minister of arts; i forgot about that.

who has a pic of that crazy painting old jan did - the one with the hands and the eyeballs?  I'd like to see that again.

Interesting that he's minister of arts and anita teaches art.

Lifesong, the email from Joran to JQK was on a video that Klaas posted from the Today Show this
morning.  The one with the J.P. Sanders name on it.

You simply could not be more fabulous, you know that? 

[carpe noctem]

Pardon me sir, can I use your head as a basketball for just a minute?

[crazybabyborg]

Pardon me sir, can I use your head as a basketball for just a minute?

Bwwwwaaaaaaahaaaaaaa!!!!!  ROFLMAO!!!

[texasmom]

[Tylergal]

I just can't get over Anita out partying in Aruba.  She has the nerve of a government mule.

There are two girls dead for heaven's sake and her son is responsible and she is partying
with Richard Gere.  Beats all.

She's cold. 

And we wonder why Joran is such a cold and calculating jerk.  Like Mommy.  I have always said she was the more evil of the 2 parents.

[texasmom]

(Edit) add link per texasmom.  MB)
http://www.bonaireinsider.com/

[Tylergal]

Si ta bon cinco minister mester a sali pa Curacao pa un reunion importante cu ministernan di Antiyas. Esaki ta un reunion unda e mandatarionan di Antiyas y Aruba ta papia riba diferente aspecto.
E reunion aki a keda cancela pasobra tin hopi prensa di Merca na Aruba y nan kier evita cu algo por bai robez y tin varios mandatario pafor di isla e momento ey. Tur esaki ta draai rond di e caso di Nathallee Holloway y detencion di Joran na Peru. Prome minister ta splica mas

Comments:
1:Y asina mes Avp a duna e meneer aki un golden wellcome pa un super tarbow. Rrrararara dicon???? Awor minister na un bai di viahe pa e caso. Ta kiko nan tambe tin tanto di sconde?????

2:Cos ta mustra cu ministerio publico y gobierno ta sconde cos. Cu nan ta cansela un viahe ta hopi straño mes. Nan lo a keda pa protiha nan ex-comisario??? Semper OM a sconde desde e caso a cuminsa. Ni cuanto e minister bieuw tabata grita OM tabata sconde y tapa pa pueblo y periodistanan. E cos aki ta hole hopi stinki mes. Poco dia ey mi a lesa over di cacho un ta come cacho. Mas nan purba tapa, mas mi ta kere ta berdad. Ta bon tin internet y nos por haya sa hopi cos di investigadornan di afor. Om stop di sconde cos y si mas cabes tin cu cai cu Joran e lo tin cu cai??

3:ami como un polis aki na Aruba, por bisa cu mi ta 99% sigur cu Jan van der Straaten tin hopi di haber cu e caso no por a wordo resolvi!!!
E ta 'niet zo maar iemand' cu mester wordo categorisa como un persona 'non grata' aki na Aruba!!!

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/18552-minister-mike-eman-reunion-na-curacao-cancela-relaciona-caso-holloway.html

I had send a friend of mine this article so she could translate it for me and she did.  I was away at a BBQ so I couldn’t post it earlier cause I just got back home. 

So here it is

She said this. The bottom line is that a group of ministers and rulers in Aruba were going to have a meeting in curacao including the Minister Jan vd Straaten, but it was canceled because there was/is 2 many American media in Aruba. They wanted to prevent  things from going wrong on aruba while they were away so they canceled the whole thing and it is said is has something to do with the Holloway case.

Comments;

1: The person is wondering what they got 2 hide.

2: says that the prosecution from the beginning put all things under the table(covered it up) in this case and that the government suppresses everything for the people and that they are corrupt. He says: Good thing there is the Internet where people can read what all the researchers have learned and found out, so they still are kept informed.

3: this person says he is a policeman in Aruba and he is 99% sure that vd Straaten has something 2 do with the case and that he is no longer welcome on the island.

Thank you for posting this.  Did van derStraaten go to Curaco as a chief of [police or am I forgetting details again?

He did, but he is back on Aruba and has had TWO new government appointments since the first of the year.
One was a minister of arts position and I can't remember the other one, but TM will know.
And they have never released the results of the investigation into his actions durning the first few
days of the Natalee case.

Aruba, so young, makes Chicago look like its godfather.

[AZSunny]

Actually, I'd like to see Peru go along with Joran's demands.  Then if Natalee's remains are found have Peru say to Joran SORRY, we LIED

That is perfect!!!

[texasmom]

http://www.bonaireinsider.com/

Link for the picture I just posted.

[crazybabyborg]

I wonder if Anita watches sporter's daily activities on the internet after she gets home from the parties?

I do wish Joran could know as much about Anita's activities as she can know about his. I'm sure he's just dying to know how the party went!

[crazybabyborg]

Actually, I'd like to see Peru go along with Joran's demands.  Then if Natalee's remains are found have Peru say to Joran SORRY, we LIED

That is perfect!!!

Now that's delicious!

[carpe noctem]

Joran van der Sloot's Ex: He Was a Hopeless Romantic
June 11, 2010 | Hot Topics

http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/06/joran_van_der_sloots_ex_he_wasa_hopeless_romantic.php

Before being charged with the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores and becoming a prime suspect in the murder of Natalee Holloway, two of Joran van der Sloot's high school girlfriends say he was a romantic.

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Joran's high school sweetheart told People magazine that they kept a diary together, filled with poems about love and sexual desire, but that their breakup was caused by his "problem with lying."

"Extra" Lifechanger, Dr. Drew Pinsky says that "Joran's a classic sociopath who uses his charm to lure his victims."

In a statement to "Extra," Beth Holloway extended her deepest sympathy to the family of Stephany Flores Ramirez and prays for swift and sure justice. She is also very grateful for the outpouring of prayers and support for Natalee and her family.

This story is bound to end up on the big screen, and "Extra" wants to know who you think could pull off the dramatic role of Joran van der Sloot?

Sound-off below.


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KEYWORD: Hopeless

[Tylergal]

Stephany cashing her chips in.. video..http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fperu21.pe%2Fnoticia%2F493316%2Fvan-der-sloot-ya-esta-camino-penal&sl=es&tl=en

IS the monter behind stephany? sitting in the chair?

Thanks, but still no luck.

Try this link. new video gives more clues to murder..

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fperu21.pe%2Fnoticia%2F493316%2Fvan-der-sloot-ya-esta-camino-penal&sl=es&tl=en. I fthis doesnt work the link is on this page and then click
to where is says Dutchman killes to steal from Stephany..

On the link page go to the right where it says read more click on link 2. Netherlands Stephany
killed to steal

I did, and all I get is the header, 'Joran van der Sloot killed to steal Stephany' with no video link.

Some of the posters there are mad because she "went to bed' with a blue-eyed gringo and others are mad because she was said to be doing drugs while others say that after Joran's honeymoon tonight, he will wish to be extradited to Alabama. 

[MuffyBee]

http://www.bonaireinsider.com/

Link for the picture I just posted.

I added the link to your post with the picture, and then noticed the really big link that's at the bottom right hand corner of the picture.  I think we've got any link issues covered.  (wink)

[Lifesong]

<<snipped creepy image>>

((shudders))

That is just so creepy!  And creepier knowing that he painted it, right?

Thank you, texasmom!  I'll save it this time.

[texasmom]

This was the day before Paulus died....the last appointment was a week before Joran killed AGAIN.

[Magnolia]

Thanks TM for the "drug czar" infor.  I couldn't remember to save me.

It is always good to see the Eyes of Aruba.  I swear there is a message in that painting.

[Gypsy DD]

I wonder if Anita watches sporter's daily activities on the internet after she gets home from the parties?

I do wish Joran could know as much about Anita's activities as she can know about his. I'm sure he's just dying to know how the party went!

And since tonight is June 11th, the closing ceremony of the film fest, I am sure Anita is living the good life with her friends and celebs..while her poor "good boy" is in  Castro Castro prison sitting in the grubby clothing he has been wearing now for days..

[texasmom]

http://www.bonaireinsider.com/

Link for the picture I just posted.

I added the link to your post with the picture, and then noticed the really big link that's at the bottom right hand corner of the picture.  I think we've got any link issues covered.  (wink)

Thanks Muffy....just wanted to MAKE SURE!  lol