Natalee Case Discussion #837 6/10/10 - 6/12/10

[MisGivings]

Joran van der Sloot has said it will release the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway
Justice must determine if the victim of citizen Dutchman, Stephany Flores, carrying large sums of money when the casino came the fateful morning of May 30.

After investigating the murder of Stephany Flores, the Homicide Division of the Dirincri manjeja two motives for the crime: the theft and violent reaction from Joran van der Sloot to be discovered by the girl.

"The concerns have seen exchanging money in hand, having seen arriving in a modern truck, seeing her alone. Presumably it was considered to be an easy target to gain an advantage via the theft, "said the head of the Dirincri, PNP general Cesar Guardia.

And is that according to the police, Stephany Flores went on to win up to 28 thousand suns on May 24, had a thousand dollars delivered by his father and purchased between 600 and 700 soles in the morning before he died. However, friends of the girl say that he had no money to play.

Therefore not rule out the second phone, referring to the violent reaction of the Dutchman to be discovered, which is confirmed yet, because the laptop Van der Sloot was not fully revised, as detailed the PNP general.

Discuss the case HOLLOWAY

The police report also notes that the case has said that the Dutchman will be released to the Aruban authorities the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway, whose death confessed to participating

http://informe21.com/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-ha-manifestado-dara-conocer-paradero-natalee-holloway

"The police report also notes that the case has said that the Dutchman will be released to the Aruban authorities the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway, whose death confessed to participating"
Then Aruba can make her body disappear, because they just don't get it.

[cecilita]

PJ start ordering murder trial against Van der Sloot

The judiciary ordered the detention of Joran van der Sloot at the beginning of criminal proceedings for the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores.


The criminal court on duty Juan Buendia Valenzuela found that the Dutchman is processed as the author of the alleged crimes of murder and theft following this simple fact.
The judge also realized in this process, under a subpoena in restricted-brothers John William and John Osvaldo Aparcana and Carlos Alberto Uribe Pretell for the alleged crime of failure to report for facilitating the transport of Van der Sloot to Tacna, Nazca and not informing the proper authorities.
At dawn today the judge Buendía general law took the Dutchman and this morning was taken to the lockup of the Judiciary while determining the penalty to which will be held.

http://www.radionacional.com.pe/index.php?option=com_content&task=view_notp&id=34641&ncid=13

I STILL interpret this to mean the "taxi" driver brothers who took Joran from Peru to Chile.

Me too-the 'cabbies'.

But who is the third person John William?

It is written like this:
brothers John William and John Osvaldo Aparcana and Carlos Alberto Uribe Pretell
but I think what is meant is this:
brothers John William Aparcana and John Osvaldo Aparcana and Carlos Alberto Uribe Pretell

I think John William and John Osvaldo are the Aparcana brothers? 

But I could be wrong.  I have been wrong before.  I will be wrong again. 

yes they are the taxi drivers. I think that they moved the monster before the body of stephany was found.

[MisGivings]

Judicial complaint with Joran Van der Sloot for murder perpetrated against Flores Stephany

Lima (Peru.com) .- A judge of the court in Time Permanent Court of Lima, Juan Buendia Valenzuela opened mandated instruction for the arrest of Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot on suspicion of homicide crimes and against heritage in the form of simple theft, to the detriment of Stephany Ramirez Flores.
 
In the early hours of Friday, Buendía took the general law to the Netherlands national citizen 22 years of age and, minutes later, authorities officiated at the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) to comply with an outpatient center in a prison.

According to the prosecutor's report, the same that was presented about 04:00 hours, Van der Sloot Ramírez Flores would have killed with the aggravation of having acted with great ferocity and cruelty, as provided in Article 108 of the Criminal Code, paragraphs 1 and 3, which defines the crime of murder.
 
The instruction autoapertorio also includes brothers John Williams and John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte, and Carlos Alberto Uribe parapet, who were processed with limited subpoena for the crime of failure to report the same according to the Penal Code punishes a penalty of not more than two years in prison.
 
The charges against those defendants is for facilitating the transport of Van der Sloot Nazca to Tacna, allegedly for having knowledge of the offense it would have been incurred and have not reported this to the authorities.
 
After taking the general law to the accused, the judge ruled that Buendia Valenzuela dossier is sent to the Bureau of Parties of the Court of Lima, so that, via the random system, designating the Criminal Court Inmates in Jail that take the case.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/PORTADA20100611/101706/Poder-Judicial-denuncia-a-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-por-homicidio-calificado-en-agravio-de-Stephany-Flores-

My guess is the taxi drivers are patsy's like the 2 black security guards were.

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[ozziesmom]

did the cab drivers know who he was? or that he killed someone? why would they be in trouble?

[wingnut]

I would think Peru would give Joran extra security until his curt proceedings are complete.

Otherwise, he won't live to stand trial and that wouldn't look too good.

However, even if he is given the $ to buy a locking door, that is no guarantee of anything.  Remember my post about the charcoal lighter.  It squirts through bars and rolls under locked metal doors.  Toss in book of lighted matches and voila!

Jorankabob.

Uh oh.  I smell a Klaasend photoshopportunity.....

[cecilita]

Natalee's murdered wil preceed the extortion to her mother? if it happens, the monster wil go in 35 years to Arauba before to come to USA?

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot has said it will release the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway
Justice must determine if the victim of citizen Dutchman, Stephany Flores, carrying large sums of money when the casino came the fateful morning of May 30.

After investigating the murder of Stephany Flores, the Homicide Division of the Dirincri manjeja two motives for the crime: the theft and violent reaction from Joran van der Sloot to be discovered by the girl.

"The concerns have seen exchanging money in hand, having seen arriving in a modern truck, seeing her alone. Presumably it was considered to be an easy target to gain an advantage via the theft, "said the head of the Dirincri, PNP general Cesar Guardia.

And is that according to the police, Stephany Flores went on to win up to 28 thousand suns on May 24, had a thousand dollars delivered by his father and purchased between 600 and 700 soles in the morning before he died. However, friends of the girl say that he had no money to play.

Therefore not rule out the second phone, referring to the violent reaction of the Dutchman to be discovered, which is confirmed yet, because the laptop Van der Sloot was not fully revised, as detailed the PNP general.

Discuss the case HOLLOWAY

The police report also notes that the case has said that the Dutchman will be released to the Aruban authorities the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway, whose death confessed to participating

http://informe21.com/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-ha-manifestado-dara-conocer-paradero-natalee-holloway

"The police report also notes that the case has said that the Dutchman will be released to the Aruban authorities the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway, whose death confessed to participating"
Then Aruba can make her body disappear, because they just don't get it.

I am hoping that is just bad translation and that Peru has no intent of releasing him to anyone until his time is served on their soil or they shovel his remains out , which ever comes first.

[Edward]

JORAN LIES.

He is sending a message to those in ARUBA and he hopes to spend his time in a DUTCH run prison.

HE MUST be tried for this murder alone in PERU.

This is all a game being played out by JORAN and his DUTCH white trash attorney's.
   The EVIL people who have supported Joran all along are at work in all of this.
Game playing DUTCH need to be put in there place ...
They are so discusting I want a boycott of EVERYTHING DUTCH !!

So, you want to boycot me?
I'm Dutch too, you know.

It's not nice to generalize.

I have never seen any Dutch Citizens doing anything about any of this..
Weak.. Very Weak .. Absolutely no control over your government officials or judicial system that allows for a full 12 years for murder.

Answer to your question is yes because of lack on the citizens part.
In various cases of Americans harmed ..
 
Max.. A young child .. Aruba
Amy Bradley .. Dutch cruise ship.. Aruba-Curraco
Natalee..Aruba
George Smith ..Dutch cruise ship
Mansur.. U.S. put him in prison and the Dutch Government attorneys got him out.

I can keep naming names but let me just say this ..
Legal Drugs..
Human trafficking and the sale of women into forced human servitude under the guise of legal prostitution.
A political party that supports kids having sex with adults at age 10 !! and it was actually voted on !! How discusting is that ?? 

Why the citizens of the Netherland never stand up to the government ?
Weak

[Blonde]

Sorry about the last one it looked like Aruba on the world map

[Anna]

Joran van der Sloot has said it will release the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway
Justice must determine if the victim of citizen Dutchman, Stephany Flores, carrying large sums of money when the casino came the fateful morning of May 30.

After investigating the murder of Stephany Flores, the Homicide Division of the Dirincri manjeja two motives for the crime: the theft and violent reaction from Joran van der Sloot to be discovered by the girl.

"The concerns have seen exchanging money in hand, having seen arriving in a modern truck, seeing her alone. Presumably it was considered to be an easy target to gain an advantage via the theft, "said the head of the Dirincri, PNP general Cesar Guardia.

And is that according to the police, Stephany Flores went on to win up to 28 thousand suns on May 24, had a thousand dollars delivered by his father and purchased between 600 and 700 soles in the morning before he died. However, friends of the girl say that he had no money to play.

Therefore not rule out the second phone, referring to the violent reaction of the Dutchman to be discovered, which is confirmed yet, because the laptop Van der Sloot was not fully revised, as detailed the PNP general.

Discuss the case HOLLOWAY

The police report also notes that the case has said that the Dutchman will be released to the Aruban authorities the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway, whose death confessed to participating

http://informe21.com/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-ha-manifestado-dara-conocer-paradero-natalee-holloway

"The police report also notes that the case has said that the Dutchman will be released to the Aruban authorities the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway, whose death confessed to participating"
Then Aruba can make her body disappear, because they just don't get it.

<isgivings, it's the translation problem.  I think it means Joran will only release the INFORMATION to Aruban authorities.  I don't think Peru is going to release Joran himself to anybody any time soon. 

Also, although he will likely be provided some measure of security until his trial, he has to be able to see, hear and smell the rest of the prison.  I'd love to see his face as he takes it all in.

.

[Gypsy DD]

PJ start ordering murder trial against Van der Sloot

The judiciary ordered the detention of Joran van der Sloot at the beginning of criminal proceedings for the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores.


The criminal court on duty Juan Buendia Valenzuela found that the Dutchman is processed as the author of the alleged crimes of murder and theft following this simple fact.
The judge also realized in this process, under a subpoena in restricted-brothers John William and John Osvaldo Aparcana and Carlos Alberto Uribe Pretell for the alleged crime of failure to report for facilitating the transport of Van der Sloot to Tacna, Nazca and not informing the proper authorities.
At dawn today the judge Buendía general law took the Dutchman and this morning was taken to the lockup of the Judiciary while determining the penalty to which will be held.

http://www.radionacional.com.pe/index.php?option=com_content&task=view_notp&id=34641&ncid=13

I STILL interpret this to mean the "taxi" driver brothers who took Joran from Peru to Chile.

Me too-the 'cabbies'.

But who is the third person John William?

It is written like this:
brothers John William and John Osvaldo Aparcana and Carlos Alberto Uribe Pretell
but I think what is meant is this:
brothers John William Aparcana and John Osvaldo Aparcana and Carlos Alberto Uribe Pretell

I think John William and John Osvaldo are the Aparcana brothers? 

But I could be wrong.  I have been wrong before.  I will be wrong again. 

TY Wingnut..that makes perfect sense.

On another subject:

I think that when they refer TO LIFE SENTENCE in some Peru news reports..they mean the 15-35 years.  I doubt very many people have lived for 35 years in the prisons there...and we all know that Joran will not last long once he is in the prison, after his trial.

[MisGivings]

new image of him at this link holding up his crusty pants

http://www.peru.com/noticias/PORTADA20100611/101706/Poder-Judicial-denuncia-a-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-por-homicidio-calificado-en-agravio-de-Stephany-Flores-

From the photos shortly after he was arrested, they gave him different pants after he $hit himself.

[cecilita]

Judicial complaint with Joran Van der Sloot for murder perpetrated against Flores Stephany

Lima (Peru.com) .- A judge of the court in Time Permanent Court of Lima, Juan Buendia Valenzuela opened mandated instruction for the arrest of Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot on suspicion of homicide crimes and against heritage in the form of simple theft, to the detriment of Stephany Ramirez Flores.
 
In the early hours of Friday, Buendía took the general law to the Netherlands national citizen 22 years of age and, minutes later, authorities officiated at the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) to comply with an outpatient center in a prison.

According to the prosecutor's report, the same that was presented about 04:00 hours, Van der Sloot Ramírez Flores would have killed with the aggravation of having acted with great ferocity and cruelty, as provided in Article 108 of the Criminal Code, paragraphs 1 and 3, which defines the crime of murder.
 
The instruction autoapertorio also includes brothers John Williams and John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte, and Carlos Alberto Uribe parapet, who were processed with limited subpoena for the crime of failure to report the same according to the Penal Code punishes a penalty of not more than two years in prison.
 
The charges against those defendants is for facilitating the transport of Van der Sloot Nazca to Tacna, allegedly for having knowledge of the offense it would have been incurred and have not reported this to the authorities.
 
After taking the general law to the accused, the judge ruled that Buendia Valenzuela dossier is sent to the Bureau of Parties of the Court of Lima, so that, via the random system, designating the Criminal Court Inmates in Jail that take the case.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/PORTADA20100611/101706/Poder-Judicial-denuncia-a-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-por-homicidio-calificado-en-agravio-de-Stephany-Flores-

My guess is the taxi drivers are patsy's like the 2 black security guards were.

Now, the taxi drivers will be sentenced to Life in prision and the monster to 35 years.

[Northern Rose]

Tjora van der Sloot was detained in holding cells of the Judiciary
The Dutchman joined handcuffs, hidden with a blanket and guarded by police to the judicial seat in the center of Lima, and later to be interned in a prison.

The citizen Dutchman Joran van der Sloot was transferred from the headquarters of the Public Prosecutor to the lockup of the judiciary, in the center of Lima.

With an ambulance, followed by a convoy of government vehicles and the press, the citizens Netherlands moments ago entered the judicial seat, and later be taken to a prison in Lima.

Van der Sloor entered handcuffed, hidden with a blanket and guarded by police. Other prisoners were also taken in the same vehicle.


The young Dutchman will be tried as an alleged perpetrator of the homicide and crimes against property, in the form of simple theft, to the detriment of Stephany Ramirez Flores.

According to the prosecutor's report, Van der Sloot would have killed Flores Ramirez with the aggravation of having acted with great ferocity and cruelty.

The instruction autoapertorio also includes brothers John Williams and John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte, and Carlos Alberto Uribe parapet, who were processed with limited subpoena for the crime of failure to report the same according to the Penal Code punishes a penalty of not more than two years in prison.

http://dev.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-11-joran-van-der-sloot-fue-recluido-en-carceleta-de-poder-judicial-noticia_271549.html

[carpe noctem]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/06/10/international/i003408D23.DTL&tsp=1

Lima Superior Court Judge Juan Buendia issued the order before dawn and the 22-year-old suspect was taken in an armored truck with 11 other prisoners to a holding cell in the basement of Lima's judicial palace.

Police manhandled Van der Sloot as they ushered him quickly out of the truck, a scarf around his neck. Two officers pushed his head down.

"Disgrace!" and "Murderer!" bystanders yelled. Some threw rotten vegetables at him.

hey man, you need to balance all that steak out with some vegetables.

[Tamikosmom]

Judicial complaint with Joran Van der Sloot for murder perpetrated against Flores Stephany

Lima (Peru.com) .- A judge of the court in Time Permanent Court of Lima, Juan Buendia Valenzuela opened mandated instruction for the arrest of Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot on suspicion of homicide crimes and against heritage in the form of simple theft, to the detriment of Stephany Ramirez Flores.
 
In the early hours of Friday, Buendía took the general law to the Netherlands national citizen 22 years of age and, minutes later, authorities officiated at the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) to comply with an outpatient center in a prison.

According to the prosecutor's report, the same that was presented about 04:00 hours, Van der Sloot Ramírez Flores would have killed with the aggravation of having acted with great ferocity and cruelty, as provided in Article 108 of the Criminal Code, paragraphs 1 and 3, which defines the crime of murder.
 
The instruction autoapertorio also includes brothers John Williams and John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte, and Carlos Alberto Uribe parapet, who were processed with limited subpoena for the crime of failure to report the same according to the Penal Code punishes a penalty of not more than two years in prison.
 
The charges against those defendants is for facilitating the transport of Van der Sloot Nazca to Tacna, allegedly for having knowledge of the offense it would have been incurred and have not reported this to the authorities.
 
After taking the general law to the accused, the judge ruled that Buendia Valenzuela dossier is sent to the Bureau of Parties of the Court of Lima, so that, via the random system, designating the Criminal Court Inmates in Jail that take the case.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/PORTADA20100611/101706/Poder-Judicial-denuncia-a-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-por-homicidio-calificado-en-agravio-de-Stephany-Flores-

My guess is the taxi drivers are patsy's like the 2 black security guards were.

I HATE THIS ROLLER COASTER!!!

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_73782.php

Google translation:

OM Aruba wants authorities speak Peru

June 11, 2010, 13:00 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba with the Peruvian authorities want to talk about the statements of Joran van Sloot (22) concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005.

The prosecution has told the media that Joran is willing to provide information about Natalee. However, before they "one or two men steer towards Peru" would like the OM official confirmation, says Advocate General Taco Stein this newspaper this morning. "We are furious struggle to get in touch with them. So far, however, without result. "
Joran, who is suspected of the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, stuck in Lima, Peru. International media reported that he has told his interrogators that he has information about the location of the body of Holloway. He would however this information only to Aruban authorities want to pass.

The confession by Joran made this week about his involvement in the murder of Flores, may not be used in court. This allows his Peruvian lawyer Maximo Altez which an application to the court submitted to confession inadmissible to explain. There would be no lawyer during the hearing have been present. Tomorrow closing date on which the police investigation must be completed and Joran should be formally indicted. Based on the indictment or a court decides there should be a process.

Press
The renewed attention to the Holloway case, the American press has given rise again to travel to Aruba. There is a correspondent for CNN settled and are the creators of NBC's Dateline program available. Dutch media have not yet been identified. The U.S. media are particularly interested in an interview with Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot. She is currently on the island and not, as previously suggested, in Peru. Last night she was at the party at the Marriott Hotel organized by the Aruba International Film Festival. Meanwhile, an early friend of Joran seek publicity. She has written a diary about her relationship with Joran, just before he met Natalee. U.S. media would be interested in the diary and is willing to pay.

Also in Peru remains the media coverage of the case remains high. Again there are pictures published security of Joran in the hotel where Flores was killed. The photograph shows that Joran on the morning after he met the woman, leaving the hotel room with two cups of coffee in his hand. He pulls the door shut, walks away and then returns. He gives the impression that he has forgotten his key and knocks on the door half-heartedly. Meanwhile, he looks around and looks at the security camera. Joran then goes away and comes back minutes later with a hotel employee who opens the room for him. The presumption is that Flores was already dead at that time.

[klaasend]

Can someone please save the image of him and his blankie in their photobucket and post it?  I don't have photobucket.  TYIA!

http://www.peru.com/noticias/portada20100611/101725/Trasladan-a-holandes-Joran-van-der-Sloot-a-la-carceleta-de-Palacio-de-Justicia

[MisGivings]

new image of him at this link holding up his crusty pants

http://www.peru.com/noticias/PORTADA20100611/101706/Poder-Judicial-denuncia-a-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-por-homicidio-calificado-en-agravio-de-Stephany-Flores-

look at the size of his knuckle in this picture (his left hand)

Wow, nice catch.  He really beat on something with that fist!

Does anyone know if he is right or left handed?