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« Reply #1520 on: June 11, 2010, 08:54:52 PM »

Hello, Kermie. Always a pleasure. Hope all is well !!!
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« Reply #1521 on: June 11, 2010, 08:56:29 PM »

Buckshot - that was posted by Bizman, the same person that was attempting to start another legal fund just a couple days ago for Joran.  My guess is Bizman is a relative or someone in Aruba with alot at stake.

IMO it's pure BS

I certainly hope so.  The contents of that post goes beyond my worse nightmare regarding the outcome of the latest happenings.

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« Reply #1522 on: June 11, 2010, 08:58:04 PM »


wonderwoman  PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:51 pm         

Scroll to fourth post down:

http://www.vol.nl/viewtopic.php?p=4505918

Interesting that it's posted in English.  bizman has been busy.
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« Reply #1523 on: June 11, 2010, 08:58:12 PM »

Linda Allison said if you want to point fingers let's go back five years again and look at Carolos and Charlies bar and the casino for letting Joran drink and gamble.

Well, you know if that had been my son, I would have gone down to C&C's and got my son and when they got home, I would  have beat the shit out of them with a fire poker and then I would have called C&C and the HI manager and told them either they stop the youngsters from parading in and gambling and drinking or I was going to have them shut down.  I would have sat out front watching what was going on and I would have reported them to the officials and if that failed, I would have written to the newspaper about it.  That's just me.  May be why none of mine have ever killed anybody but my boys are all 6 feet plus and I am barely 5-2 but they would never pull that bullying on me.  I had a fire poker and they knew I would heat it up and use it.

I think we must be related......my boys are over 6 ft tall and when they push my last button, they run for the hills, even now and they are both adults. They may be a foot taller, but I just stand on my kitchen chair with my metal spoon....all you hear are running footsteps

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« Reply #1524 on: June 11, 2010, 08:58:28 PM »

Interview with Stephany Flores' father with English subtitles:

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/3/6HgeSzCRbHM

There are four right now, click on the others on the right side of the page.

Thank you so much for posting these-so helpful.  My heart aches for this lovely man and family.

I only got through the first one....when he start crying over her neck....I knew if I was not planning on being a blubbering fool when we went out I should stop looking at them until later in the night.
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« Reply #1525 on: June 11, 2010, 08:59:10 PM »

Guardia also told The Daily Beast that Van der Sloot lied about the timing of the murder. Earlier in the week, he told investigators that he had gone out to buy coffee for himself and Flores, and killed her when he returned to the room after finding the young woman on his computer. In fact, according to Guardia, hotel surveillance cameras show that Van der Sloot faked his early-morning coffee run. Instead, he left the room with two empty paper cups and then summoned a member of the hotel staff to open his door, lying that he had forgotten his key.
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So there was NEVER a run to the store to get coffee, he faked that and we have the video that shows he faked that. 

And it means he had plenty of time trying to clean up the scene, shower, pack, etc.  She may have been murdered soon after they arrived at the room.



I agree ... my guess is prolly within 30 minutes of their arrival in his room-sooner rather than later.
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« Reply #1526 on: June 11, 2010, 08:59:42 PM »


I wonder if his swollen hand is from interrogations?


He plays tennis left-handed


Sorry, Kermit, but that looks like his right hand to me.

Edit:  Yes Kermit corrected right after she posted.  He is right handed playing here.
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« Reply #1527 on: June 11, 2010, 09:00:25 PM »

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« Reply #1528 on: June 11, 2010, 09:00:56 PM »

Looks like they are breaking out the Kool-Aid again;

bizman  PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:05 pm         

A reported deal in the works
Apparently there is a deal in the works between Peru and Aruba concerning Joran. If reports are correct Aruba will take custody contingent on Joran revealing the whereabouts of Natalee and due to Joran's past claims being false this new deal is only valid with the truth.

If Joran is truthful he will spend 10 years in KIA prison in Aruba and all other charges will be dropped.The deal was struck when it became obvious that with Joran's truthful confession in Peru and the likelihood of him getting 20 years and 10 years credit for confessing and credit for 2 for 1 days served resulting in only 5 years in a Peruvian prison in the best of accommodations provided at the prison.If the deal goes thru Joran will spend 10 years in the KIA.

If Joran's claims of Holloway's whereabouts are false then he will serve the maximum 20 years in a Peruvian prison without any luxuries at all.Authorities have said no more tail chasing in the Holloway case.

It is reported that in order for Joran to accept the deal he is demanding that in return for spending an additional 5 years in prison that he be offered the following: after spending 6 months in KIA that he gets supervised bi-weekly weekend furloughs to his mothers house and be allowed to play poker on his furloughs and then after 18 months of supervised furloughs that he be able to participate in a work release program thru the week.Under such a deal Joran would spend Sun-thru-Thurs at KIA from 6 p.m. til 6 a.m. locked up and from 6 a.m. Fri-thru 6 p.m. Sun on unsupervised furlough.

It sounds as if LE is attempting to kill two birds with one stone and give out more than the required Peruvian punishment with a chance for Joran to rehabilitate himself.

As stated its only a report and a starting point for LE in these negotiations.It sounds like a fair deal.Only time will tell what deal will be made.



Is there any truth to this?
Would be absolutely crazy...
Since it was posted at RU ... I'd say zero credibility.  And no one there could come up with a source ..

wonderwoman  PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:51 pm         

Scroll to fourth post down:

http://www.vol.nl/viewtopic.php?p=4505918




Can someone copy and paste.  My malwarebytes won't let me go there.  says it's a malicious site.  See even my computer, inorganic, knows they are malicious.
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« Reply #1529 on: June 11, 2010, 09:00:59 PM »

Looks like they are breaking out the Kool-Aid again;

bizman  PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:05 pm         

A reported deal in the works
Apparently there is a deal in the works between Peru and Aruba concerning Joran. If reports are correct Aruba will take custody contingent on Joran revealing the whereabouts of Natalee and due to Joran's past claims being false this new deal is only valid with the truth.

If Joran is truthful he will spend 10 years in KIA prison in Aruba and all other charges will be dropped.The deal was struck when it became obvious that with Joran's truthful confession in Peru and the likelihood of him getting 20 years and 10 years credit for confessing and credit for 2 for 1 days served resulting in only 5 years in a Peruvian prison in the best of accommodations provided at the prison.If the deal goes thru Joran will spend 10 years in the KIA.

If Joran's claims of Holloway's whereabouts are false then he will serve the maximum 20 years in a Peruvian prison without any luxuries at all.Authorities have said no more tail chasing in the Holloway case.

It is reported that in order for Joran to accept the deal he is demanding that in return for spending an additional 5 years in prison that he be offered the following: after spending 6 months in KIA that he gets supervised bi-weekly weekend furloughs to his mothers house and be allowed to play poker on his furloughs and then after 18 months of supervised furloughs that he be able to participate in a work release program thru the week.Under such a deal Joran would spend Sun-thru-Thurs at KIA from 6 p.m. til 6 a.m. locked up and from 6 a.m. Fri-thru 6 p.m. Sun on unsupervised furlough.

It sounds as if LE is attempting to kill two birds with one stone and give out more than the required Peruvian punishment with a chance for Joran to rehabilitate himself.

As stated its only a report and a starting point for LE in these negotiations.It sounds like a fair deal.Only time will tell what deal will be made.



That's a bunch of BS, not gonna happen.  Period.


ORRRRRRRRRRR they could just DEMAND Joran tells exactly where Nataleee is and who all aided and abetted him or put him in the general population of Castro. GEEEESH!!!!
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« Reply #1530 on: June 11, 2010, 09:01:25 PM »

Hey All,

Can I just say that I have been waiting 5 long years to see this bastard be treated like the piece of garbage he truky is like he was today. JVDS, the little sporter packed in that van with the other convicts stacked like wood. Priceless.

Then the pic of the Peru police officetr from the FP with Joran, the officer looking like he just bagged a 12 point buck.

When I saw the story earlier of Joran be shouted at and fruit & veggies at him I thought to myslef ... God bless you people of Peru, I wish I was there to join them.

This POS is finally going to get what is coming to him. He can say he is going to say where NH is all he wants, for a poker player, Joran is holding none of the cards.

There is no way that any one should lessen his time, they have him dead to rights on all charges in Peru, his confession was BS.

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« Reply #1531 on: June 11, 2010, 09:02:29 PM »

Not that they would answer ----- but, has ANYONE tried to contact Deepak or Satish???? ANY reaction would be priceless!! (that is, IF they are stlll alive!!)

LOL-they're prolly 'six feet under.'
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« Reply #1532 on: June 11, 2010, 09:02:30 PM »

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A reported deal in the works

Apparently there is a deal in the works between Peru and Aruba concerning Joran. If reports are correct Aruba will take custody contingent on Joran revealing the whereabouts of Natalee and due to Joran's past claims being false this new deal is only valid with the truth.

If Joran is truthful he will spend 10 years in KIA prison in Aruba and all other charges will be dropped.The deal was struck when it became obvious that with Joran's truthful confession in Peru and the likelihood of him getting 20 years and 10 years credit for confessing and credit for 2 for 1 days served resulting in only 5 years in a Peruvian prison in the best of accommodations provided at the prison.If the deal goes thru Joran will spend 10 years in the KIA.

If Joran's claims of Holloway's whereabouts are false then he will serve the maximum 20 years in a Peruvian prison without any luxuries at all.Authorities have said no more tail chasing in the Holloway case.

It is reported that in order for Joran to accept the deal he is demanding that in return for spending an additional 5 years in prison that he be offered the following: after spending 6 months in KIA that he gets supervised bi-weekly weekend furloughs to his mothers house and be allowed to play poker on his furloughs and then after 18 months of supervised furloughs that he be able to participate in a work release program thru the week.Under such a deal Joran would spend Sun-thru-Thurs at KIA from 6 p.m. til 6 a.m. locked up and from 6 a.m. Fri-thru 6 p.m. Sun on unsupervised furlough.

It sounds as if LE is attempting to kill two birds with one stone and give out more than the required Peruvian punishment with a chance for Joran to rehabilitate himself.

As stated its only a report and a starting point for LE in these negotiations.It sounds like a fair deal.Only time will tell what deal will be made.

no joke,rumors circulating in the South America is all I know,they may be true.Sounds true given the leniency in Peru. I guess we will all find out soon.
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« Reply #1533 on: June 11, 2010, 09:02:42 PM »

Perhaps that is why he is holding his right hand like Nathan Lane in `Bird Cage` in the coffee cup video? He hurt it.
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« Reply #1534 on: June 11, 2010, 09:03:51 PM »

Jean Casarez said on NG:

-First-Degree Murder
-Robbery
-It's an Enhanced Murder Charge
-She looked it up and it says he can serve no less than 15 years
-Maximum is 35 years
-Normally a judge doesn't sentence someone to 35 years.

Can I have his phone number? Because I think he should make an exception.

If that don't work I have my $50.00 ready.
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« Reply #1535 on: June 11, 2010, 09:04:21 PM »

Klaas,

I posted this in JSM's cage a few days ago. I think it is of interest. It is a blog that a " young man" from the Netherlands created. He last year went to Peru, to visit " the incarcerated Dutch within the Peruvian prisons". 

http://www.travbuddy.com/travel-blogs/58862/Dutch-prisoners-Peru-1

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In may and june i've visited Lima, the capital city of Peru to visit 15 Dutch prisoners in one of the worst prisons of Peru.
The Dutch prisoners have nothing, only the clothes they where wearing when they are arrested and further nothing!
Not even a teethbrush!
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He says he has started his own foundation his words snipped below:
It's called: "Nederlandse gedetineerden in Peru'' (Dutch prisoners in Peru)
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His other blog that has photo's he was able to take with his cell phone. He did go inside the actual prison - he says he bribed the prison guards with Dutch Chocolate and Candies - to go in and witness the Dutch held ( drug trafficking most) 

http://www.travbuddy.com/travel-blogs/56482/Caught-Peru-1
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I thought it would be interesting for you and others. This boy who made this journey to Peru to visit the Dutch held.. is about the same age as Joran. 
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« Reply #1536 on: June 11, 2010, 09:04:26 PM »

Jean Casarez said on NG:

-First-Degree Murder
-Robbery
-It's an Enhanced Murder Charge
-She looked it up and it says he can serve no less than 15 years
-Maximum is 35 years
-Normally a judge doesn't sentence someone to 35 years.

Can I have his phone number? Because I think he should make an exception.

Carpe are you gonna call one of the kalpoop brothers?  Make it satish...he is the skeerest!!!  Ask him for a statement on joran's arrest
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« Reply #1537 on: June 11, 2010, 09:04:37 PM »

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hi Kermit!  did you see bizman's post about a deal?? 
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« Reply #1539 on: June 11, 2010, 09:05:33 PM »

Van der Sloot taken to prison on murder charge

By FRANK BAJAK (AP) – 3 hours ago

LIMA, Peru — Angry Peruvian onlookers shouted "Disgrace!" and "Murderer" at Joran van der Sloot on Friday after a judge ordered him jailed on first-degree murder and robbery charges in the violent killing of a 21-year-old Lima woman.

Prosecutors said the Dutchman, who was taken to a segregated block of an eastern Lima prison, acted with "ferocity and great cruelty" in killing business student Stephany Flores in his hotel room after they met playing poker.

Van der Sloot remains the lone suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba, and Peru's criminal police chief says the defendant told interrogators he knows where her body is.

Aruba's attorney general, Taco Stein, told The Associated Press on Friday he is skeptical Van der Sloot was telling the truth about Holloway's body. He said Aruban officials will decide whether to sent investigators to Peru to question him once they learn exactly what he is offering.

Lima Superior Court Judge Juan Buendia issued a detention order before dawn for Van der Sloot on the murder charge. He was first taken with other prisoners in an armored truck to Lima's judicial palace, then alone to the maximum-security Castro Castro prison.

Police manhandled Van der Sloot as they ushered him to the judicial palace, a scarf around his neck and his hands cuffed behind him.

The more virulent catcalls and bile — the sensational case has dominated Peru's news for a week — came from onlookers as he was taken from the prosecutor's office where he had been held since Thursday. One onlooker threw spoiled lettuce.

Police say Van der Sloot brutally murdered Flores three days after meeting her at a casino. He broke her nose, strangled her, threw her to the floor then emptied her wallet and drove away in her SUV, said Gen. Cesar Guardia, chief of the criminal police.

The 6-foot-3 (190-centimeter-tall) Van der Sloot took about $300 worth of Peruvian currency, two credit cards and Flores' national ID card, Guardia said. He said the suspect abandoned her car in a lower-class Lima neighborhood before fleeing south to Chile by bus.

If convicted on the murder and robbery charges, Van der Sloot would be sentenced to between 15 and 35 years in prison, court spokesman Luis Gallardo told the AP.

"The aggravating factors are having acted with ferocity and great cruelty," said a news release issued by the court that announced the charges.

At Castro Castro prison, Van der Sloot was fed the Peruvian chicken dish "seco de pollo," prisons director Ruben Rodriguez said. The Dutchman will have his own cell in a small block near the director's office.

The only other two prisoners on the block are a reputed Colombian hit man charged with strangling a Peruvian socialite and a provincial mayor charged with laundering drug money

It was not yet known when the trial might begin. A judge must first be assigned to hear the case.

Flores was killed three days after meeting Van der Sloot, police say, and five years to the day after Holloway disappeared. Guardia said "a wealth of evidence" against the Dutchman includes closed-circuit video tracking him leaving the casino with Flores, entering his room with the woman and then leaving alone.

The police chief told the AP on Thursday night that when Van der Sloot confessed to killing Flores investigators asked him about the Holloway case.

"He let slip that he knew the place where this person was buried," Guardia said.

The general said the Dutchman told investigators "he would only testify (on the matter) before Aruba authorities."

He said he didn't know how seriously to take Van der Sloot's comment given his history of dubious statements the Alabama teen's disappearance.

Stein, the Aruba attorney general, was cautious about the development.

"I'm not getting my hopes up," he told the AP. "Let's face it, he has been telling us many stories many times before."

Stein said that even if Van der Sloot did reveal what happened to Holloway, there was no guarantee her remains would be found.

Guardia said Van der Sloot confessed that he killed Flores, the daughter of a circus promoter and former race car driver, because she found out about the Aruba case by using his laptop without his permission.

Van der Sloot's newly hired Peruvian attorney, Maximo Altez, has asked the judge to declare his client's Monday confession void on the grounds it was made in the presence of a defense lawyer appointed by police.

Reached by the AP, Altez refused to discuss the case. He said Van der Sloot's schoolteacher mother, Anita, would be arriving early next week with the family's own media adviser.

The young man's father, a lawyer on Aruba, a Dutch territory, died in February while playing tennis.

Van der Sloot arrived in Peru on May 14, authorities say, four days after allegedly receiving $25,000 as part of an FBI sting aimed at resolving the Holloway case. U.S. prosecutors charged him with extortion four days after Flores was killed.

Prosecutors say the extortion case began when Van der Sloot contacted a New York lawyer for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, in April seeking $250,000 in exchange for the location of the young woman's body, how she died and the identity of those involved.

The lawyer, John Kelly, contacted the FBI, which secretly recorded video of him giving Van der Sloot $10,000 in cash in Aruba on May 10 while $15,000 was wired to a bank account in the Dutch man's name, prosecutors say.

Van der Sloot was recorded telling Kelly he pushed Holloway down, and she hit her head on a rock and died, an affidavit says. He allegedly said his father helped him bury the body.

Van der Sloot admitted in a May 17 e-mail — he was in Peru by then — that he had lied about the location of Holloway's remains, prosecutors say.

That fit a pattern of Van der Sloot making confessions he later retracted.

Van der Sloot was the last person seen with Holloway before the girl vanished on the last night of a high school graduation trip. He was arrested twice but released both times for a lack of evidence.

Associated Press Writers Franklin Briceno and Carla Salazar in Lima and Michael Melia in San Juan, Puerto Rico, contributed to this report.

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