Natalee Case Discussion #837 6/10/10 - 6/12/10

[Blue Moon]

Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot, left, sits between officers while being transported in a police car in Lima, Thursday, June 10, 2010.



http://es.noticias.yahoo.com/11/20100610/foto/pwl-peru-van-der-sloot-313e-4478b0781e73.html

It looks like he has the same clothes on he was arrested in. I guess  black bag full of goodies being carried in didn't contain any clean clothes.

That jacket looks like it says "Pimp".  I am not seeing all those hand signs they make in their pictures from Aruba.  I bet the Kalpoes not getting their payout really hurt you didn't Joran.  Punk.

[klaasend]

I am not yet convinced he killed Natalie - I have always thought his father may have been the one to kill her. I think JVC drugged her took her back to their "compound" for his father and something happened there. I don't know if him and the other freaks were video recording it or all going to turns, but I do believe there is recording of it SOMEWHERE. He may have kept it to keep his father giving him money and protecting him.

Now there's a theory I haven't thought of before ... interesting.  Paulus as the initial predator ... hmm ..

My only problem with it is ... Joran being Joran ... I think he would have given old daddy up ... even before he was dead.  But you're right ... if he could blackmail daddy for more money than the reward was worth ... well ... we all know Joran will do pretty much anything for money ... with the exception of telling the truth!

Stephany is sitting at the same position at the table that Natalee did

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/from/ET

Police: Dutchman to reveal Holloway location

This is huge.  I wonder what plea deal was negotiated.  This is the real McCoy.  Joran has no choice but to come through.

I do believe that Natalee will be coming home to rest on American soil.  I do believe the family of Natalee will be afforded a measure of closure.

For this I sincerely rejoice and praise God.

In My Opinion

Janet

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Police: Dutchman to reveal Holloway location
Prosecutors prepare charges against Van der Sloot in Peru murder
NBC, msnbc.com and news services
updated 21 minutes ago

LIMA, Peru - As prosecutors in Peru prepared charges against Joran van der Sloot in the strangling death of a 21-year-old woman, police told NBC News on Thursday the Dutch man admits knowing the location of the remains of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

Van der Sloot remains the lone suspect in Holloway’s disappearance — exactly five years to the day before Stephany Flores was killed in Peru.

Police sources told NBC News van der Sloot is now willing to tell authorities in Aruba where to find the Alabama teenager’s remains.

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It's not clear what Van der Sloot will be charged with, NBC News reported. There are several options under Peruvian law:

- Premeditated aggravated murder — up to a 35-year sentence
- Simple murder — up to 20 years
- Murder “as result of violent emotion" — from 3 to 5 years in prison
- "Injury that leads to death" — 1 to 3 years in prison

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The attorney for the slain girl's family, Edwar Alvarez, told the AP that prosecutors have until 8 a.m. Friday morning to file charges. Otherwise, Van der Sloot would have to be freed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/ns/world_news-americas//

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot psychopath and murderer

   Psychopath and murderer was Joran van der Sloot cataloged by specialists and Ricardo Flores, father of murdered teenager, revealed that his daughter Stephany Flores would have spent hours with his alleged murderer Joran van der Sloot, a day before her death. indicated that the videos of the casino security cameras Atlantic City, her daughter appeared on Friday 29 with Van der Sloot playing poker at a table in the establishment, leaving the possibility that they have agreed to meet again Saturday at the site.

According to Ricardo Flores says her daughter was drugged, possibly the truck road to the hotel because the hotel images the steps of my daughter looked like a human being without will, walking in a strange way. " Finally he said, trust the Peruvian justice system to resolve the case as the evidence to incriminate Van der Sloot are quite clear. While friends of the murderer would be announced this morning Dutchman getting a lawyer to take over the defense of Joran van der Sloot. Found that the motive was robbery to be serving time life imprisonment, while Joran van der Sloot announced that it will host sincere confession would not exceed seven years in prison.

In Peru, the population is appalled even known that prisoners of the various prisons announced that they could disrupt Van der Sloot.

http://www.reporterow.com/2010-06-10-joran-van-der-sloot-psicopata-y-asesino-noticia_3299.html

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

I am not yet convinced he killed Natalie - I have always thought his father may have been the one to kill her. I think JVC drugged her took her back to their "compound" for his father and something happened there. I don't know if him and the other freaks were video recording it or all going to turns, but I do believe there is recording of it SOMEWHERE. He may have kept it to keep his father giving him money and protecting him.

Now there's a theory I haven't thought of before ... interesting.  Paulus as the initial predator ... hmm ..

My only problem with it is ... Joran being Joran ... I think he would have given old daddy up ... even before he was dead.  But you're right ... if he could blackmail daddy for more money than the reward was worth ... well ... we all know Joran will do pretty much anything for money ... with the exception of telling the truth!

Stephany is sitting at the same position at the table that Natalee did

2005 - June 10th they said they were going to get the body based on the confession

[Tater]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/from/ET

Police: Dutchman to reveal Holloway location

Authorities in Aruba have known the location for five years.

Because they seized the crab trap from the bottom of the ocean?

Because they helped with the disposal of her remains, IMHO.

I don't know.It really makes no sense to me that they would bury Natalee where it would be possible to be found one day when the ocean is such a broad vast place to get rid of a body.He has even stated in this murder now that he pondered unloading her in the ocean.I can't help believing that Natalee indeed was already found in that crab trap and then disappeared again.Just always been my feeling but we'll see...Maybe,but I doubt that too..

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/from/ET

Police: Dutchman to reveal Holloway location

I forgot to thank you seemeatthebeach.  That breaking news had only happened within the hour.

I knew that something had to break considering the deadline that loomed ... the deadline that implied the Peruvian prosecutor had to charge Joran or set him free.

Janet

[carpe noctem]

I am not yet convinced he killed Natalie - I have always thought his father may have been the one to kill her. I think JVC drugged her took her back to their "compound" for his father and something happened there. I don't know if him and the other freaks were video recording it or all going to turns, but I do believe there is recording of it SOMEWHERE. He may have kept it to keep his father giving him money and protecting him.

Now there's a theory I haven't thought of before ... interesting.  Paulus as the initial predator ... hmm ..

My only problem with it is ... Joran being Joran ... I think he would have given old daddy up ... even before he was dead.  But you're right ... if he could blackmail daddy for more money than the reward was worth ... well ... we all know Joran will do pretty much anything for money ... with the exception of telling the truth!

Stephany is sitting at the same position at the table that Natalee did

It is quite amazing how many parallels there are. Very similar. Yet different.

Much like when the Dukes of Hazzard replaced Bo and Luke with Coy and Vance.

... and then again, nothing like that.

[Kermit]

[Northern Rose]

Van der Sloot attorney filed habeas corpus in the Judiciary

Maximum Highness filed document with the aim of circumventing the National Police investigation because, according to him, violated the rights of the Netherlands.

Maximum Highness, lawyer of Joran Van der Sloot Holan, filed a habeas corpus action against the judiciary with the aim of lifting the police investigation into the assassinate of Stephany Flores, considering that during these proceedings were violated his rights sponsored.


The lawyer said that one of the moments in which foreign rights were concerned, occurred when he was questioned by a leading lawyer for the National Police itself.


He also indicated that Van der Sloot is "disappointed" by the way the media dealt with the issue of crime Flores Ramirez (21), on 30 May in a hotel in the Miraflores district.


"It's not like what the media says (referring to the murder). He feels sorry," said Royal Highness, who assumed the defense of the Netherlands recently.


The lawyer asked that Van der Sloot is denounced by homicide violent emotion, pain that does not exceed nine years in prison and ensures that Stephany's death occurred after a confrontation that occurred between two women after review of his laptop.


"We prefer to start the case from scratch. We will challenge any and we will make a new statement which is presented by the prosecutor, a translator and present me as a defense lawyer, told a local news program.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-10-abogado-de-van-der-sloot-presento-habeas-corpus-ante-poder-judicial-noticia_271413.html

[Tamikosmom]

2005 - June 10th they said they were going to get the body based on the confession

THE CONFESSION - JUNE 10, 2005

On June 10, 2005, a spokesperson for the office of the Aruban Minister of Justice reported that authorities confirmed the death of Natalee Holloway and the location of her body was known.

The Aruban chief of police reported that one of the suspects had provided a confession but ... the chief refused to reveal which suspect.

Prior to the Aruban Justice Minister's denial and his spokesperson's retraction, Natalee Holloway's parents had been notified of their daughter's demise.
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'Fox News'

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


'Fox News'

RICK LEVENTHAL: We reconfirmed the information with Croues before going on-air with it.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html
 

'CBS News'

Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


'Meridian Star'

DAVE HOLLOWAY: At some point into this investigation, as time goes on and you don’t find her, you start realizing that things are not looking good. We got that confirmation pretty much from the FBI on June 10. They came to us and said the investigation appears to be heading toward a homicide case.

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148205455.html


'Scarborough Country'

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  And that was the day that the FBI came in, Doug Shipley (ph) came in and said that the way the interrogations are unfolding, there‘s a strong possibility that Natalee may not be alive. That was huge. That was the day that—I think, Joe, everyone buried Natalee that day, on June 10.

And then it just—from there, the night went on. There were body sightings, countless. They were knocking on my door. They thought they found her. Oh, no, they didn‘t. It went on from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. It was horrific.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


'Crime/Punishment'

Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made.

http://crime.about.com/b/2005/06/10/confusion-reigns-in-natalee-holloway-case.htm


'Fox News'

Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

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private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #312 on: January 22, 2008, 08:43:21 PM »

... I believe is that the boys buried her by the fishermans hut, and Paulus and Co moved her without the boys knowledge because of Joran's confession and the fact the boys recorded conversation  indicate they don't know where she is now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg331268;topicseen#msg331268

[Scatty]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/from/ET

Police: Dutchman to reveal Holloway location

I forgot to thank you seemeatthebeach.  That breaking news had only happened within the hour.

I knew that something had to break considering the deadline that loomed ... the deadline that implied the Peruvian prosecutor had to charge Joran or set him free.

Janet

But don't they still have to charge him to keep him under lock and key? And especially knowing what a liar he is. What's the time in Peru right know I wonder?

[carpe noctem]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/from/ET

Police: Dutchman to reveal Holloway location

I forgot to thank you seemeatthebeach.  That breaking news had only happened within the hour.

I knew that something had to break considering the deadline that loomed ... the deadline that implied the Peruvian prosecutor had to charge Joran or set him free.

Janet

I share your enthusiasm, positive attitude and prayers for the families Janet.

Let`s hope Joran finally pops like a zit this time.

[nimrod]

Posted: 8:40 pm EST. June 10, 2010

Joran van der Sloot, willing to talk about American girl lost in Aruba

(ALERTANEWS.COM) - NBC News reported Friday night that Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of killing a girl in Lima, now thought to tell the authorities in Aruba where to find the remains of Natalee Holloway, the American girl allegedly murdered in 2005.

http://www.alertanews.com/235/joran-van-der-sloot-dispuesto-a-hablar-de-chica-estadounidense-perdida-en-aruba/

If true, this would be the singular most important news that we have all have been waiting for. (as long as he doesn't just say she is in the ocean)

[Northern Rose]

Dutchman was transferred to the detention of Public Prosecutions

Surrounded by stunning security measures, Joran Van Der Sloot left Dirincri and was taken to the lockup of Public Prosecutions. Police charged him with murder.

Suddenly left the basement of the Dirincri, heavily guarded by members of the Sub Unit Police Tactical Actions.

Thus, the Dutchman left Dirincri headquarters where he was expelled from Chile.

The Dutchman wore a bulletproof vest, you could see quite emaciated.

The dramatic coverage of national and foreign media uproar surrounding the criminal investigation headquarters at 8:40 am, time that was being transferred to the Procuracy.

The police made available to the public prosecutor a backpack, a suitcase and several bags containing the belongings of the Dutchman.

In Dirincri external dozens of people watching the move, demanded the maximum sentence for the confessed murderer of Stephan Flores.

Van Der Sloot was released to the public prosecutor after completing the police investigation, which concludes that the Dutchman is the murderer of Estephany Ramirez Flores.

Police charged him with murder, which says Van Der Sloot savagely assaulted the young university. The attacked with fists, then he struck his head against the wall and ended his life strangling.

Van Der Sloot also cleaned the room trying to erase his crime, then fled. Police officially confirmed that the Dutchman agreed to be the murderer.

For the police the motive for the murder was robbery. As stated in a press release sent by the Dirincri, Joran Van Der Sloot had followed the footsteps of Stephany within the Casino.

He knew that on 24 May, thanks to his skill as a player, Stephany won 28 000 400 soles. On May 28 his father gave him a thousand dollars, and days later, 30 returned to win the figure of 676 soles.

The police confirmed that following the murder, Joran robbed his victim and fled with her car.

For details of the police investigation, the prosecution process and would have opened the Dutchman.

Meanwhile, Joran Van Der Sloot remains in the cells of Public Prosecutions. In the next few hours might be already in a prison of the capital.

http://www.frecuencialatina.com.pe/90segundos/detalle.php?Catid=89&NewsId=35972

[Tamikosmom]

Van der Sloot attorney filed habeas corpus in the Judiciary

Maximum Highness filed document with the aim of circumventing the National Police investigation because, according to him, violated the rights of the Netherlands.

Maximum Highness, lawyer of Joran Van der Sloot Holan, filed a habeas corpus action against the judiciary with the aim of lifting the police investigation into the assassinate of Stephany Flores, considering that during these proceedings were violated his rights sponsored.


The lawyer said that one of the moments in which foreign rights were concerned, occurred when he was questioned by a leading lawyer for the National Police itself.


He also indicated that Van der Sloot is "disappointed" by the way the media dealt with the issue of crime Flores Ramirez (21), on 30 May in a hotel in the Miraflores district.


"It's not like what the media says (referring to the murder). He feels sorry," said Royal Highness, who assumed the defense of the Netherlands recently.


The lawyer asked that Van der Sloot is denounced by homicide violent emotion, pain that does not exceed nine years in prison and ensures that Stephany's death occurred after a confrontation that occurred between two women after review of his laptop.


"We prefer to start the case from scratch. We will challenge any and we will make a new statement which is presented by the prosecutor, a translator and present me as a defense lawyer, told a local news program.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-10-abogado-de-van-der-sloot-presento-habeas-corpus-ante-poder-judicial-noticia_271413.html

Thank you Northern Rose.

Joran's attorney has to be reminded that the Peruvian justice system is not required to adhere to Dutch law.

The American justice system was not considered in the past five years in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.  Dutch law was not to be undermind.

Janet

[cecilita]

If stephany knew this guy friday 29 and see each other again the 30th ...can be possible that she went other places with him the 29 or even worse go to his hotel may 29?

[seemeatthebeach]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/from/ET

Police: Dutchman to reveal Holloway location

I forgot to thank you seemeatthebeach.  That breaking news had only happened within the hour.

I knew that something had to break considering the deadline that loomed ... the deadline that implied the Peruvian prosecutor had to charge Joran or set him free.

Janet

But don't they still have to charge him to keep him under lock and key? And especially knowing what a liar he is. What's the time in Peru right know I wonder?

It's 8:21pm in Peru.....one hour behind us

[Brandi]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37618530/from/ET

Police: Dutchman to reveal Holloway location

I forgot to thank you seemeatthebeach.  That breaking news had only happened within the hour.

I knew that something had to break considering the deadline that loomed ... the deadline that implied the Peruvian prosecutor had to charge Joran or set him free.

Janet

But don't they still have to charge him to keep him under lock and key? And especially knowing what a liar he is. What's the time in Peru right know I wonder?

8:22pm Thursday (PET) - Time in Lima, Peru