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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #837 6/10/10 -
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Quote from: San on June 11, 2010, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: jen3560 on June 11, 2010, 10:45:11 AM
Quote from: sylvia on June 11, 2010, 10:42:14 AM
I wonder if Joran is asking to speak to a specific Aruban official. Does he want to tell them they better help him out or he'll let the house of cards fall. It it's allowed, it will be interesting to see who shows up.
If it happens, I guarantee it will be Dolph Richardson.
If it happens he has to have rock solid proof (in writing & emails). Because if he is just going to blabber people won't believe him and say he is a liar.
I think this is where Anita enters the picture. Anita has the information but in this case will she use it. She doesn't have Paul to back her up anymore and she is going to have to call in some hugh favors.
Now is the time for Joran & Anita to push Pauls under the bus.
Daddy killed Natalee and buried her but I know where she is
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Quote from: seemeatthebeach on June 11, 2010, 11:25:18 AM
I wonder if the dirty authorities from Aruba are tripping over each other to get to Joran first...to shut him up
I'll bet some are pooping their pants...........ummmmm might be a new aruban slogan............poopyourpants island
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #837 6/10/10 -
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Quote from: Sea Searcher on June 11, 2010, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: Sea Searcher on June 11, 2010, 10:13:22 AM
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Canlla said Peruvian investigators were still waiting for judicial permission in order to investigate the contents of van der Sloot's computer.
"There has to be authorization from the judge to open the laptop," he said.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T1
hmmm...this is the first time I've read this..but I don't get to read everything and got wrapped up in the live video yesterday.
Hopefully, Natalee's whereabouts are in this puter and his "information" will be irrelevant
For Gypsy DD
Thank you SS!
Yes I believe info about Natalee will be in his computer. If he is stupid enough to stage that whole return from the coffee shop on the video he is stupid enough to keep a diary and info about her.
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Quote from: nonesuche on June 11, 2010, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: wingnut on June 11, 2010, 08:06:20 AM
Quote from: Port Valerie on June 11, 2010, 05:20:50 AM
Let's say the doorway video supports his story.
Scenario 1:
Let's say he really does go out for coffee ... he comes back, enters the room, she is awake now and knows he has stolen from her, starts screaming at him in anger, demands that he leave the room.
He backs out of the room quickly, still holding the coffee. He knocks to make her let him back in. She doesn't.
He goes and gets the manager, and the manager opens the door with a key.
The confrontation occurs then and he runs away soon after.
The problem then is the shirt. How can he leave the hotel wearing the same shirt he had on when he killed her? Wouldn't it be bloody?
So Scenario 1 is not possible.
Therefore the going-out-for-coffee thing is a setup. He intends to come back with coffee, be locked out, get the management to open the door for him, and engage the management as a witness to the discovery.
So why didn't he do that? It was a decent plan.
Why did he go into the room with the coffee in his hand and then come out again? Did he remember a piece of evidence he had to hide?
And why DIDN'T he do the drama after he had the manager unlock the door?
This is what I don't get.
I think scenario 2, but he spotted the camera outside the door before he could pull it off. Maybe he continued with the plan on the off chance that the camera was not recording? :dunno:
I think we need to be careful not to give him too much credit for thinking this through with any logic or reality-based analysis. I think he was grasping at straws, not everyone runs in circles in a panic, and Aruba allowed him to believe that even sorry lies with little logic could get him off.
I think his mind at those moments was likely telling him he could pull this off again and he's praying that he can.
He's so psychotic that we likely can never draw logical conclusions from his actions.
Paying what he owed on the room, then turning in the key would have meant staff entering to clean the room, which he did not want because he needed more time for his getaway.
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http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Felcomercio.pe&sl=es&tl=en
Confessed murderer of Stephany Flores would be transferred in the next few hours in jail
. Juez denunció a quienes llevaron a la frontera a holandés por considerar que tenían conocimiento del crimen Judge denounced those who took to the border to Netherlands on the grounds that they were aware of the crime
The Dutchman citizen Joran van der Sloot was denounced by the alleged crimes of murder and against property in the form of simple theft after admitting he murdered Stephany Flores
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Así lo estableció el magistrado del Juzgado Penal de Turno Permanente de la Corte de Lima, Juan Buendía Valenzuela, quien le abrió instrucción con mandato de detención a Joran van der Sloot. This is established the judge of the court in Time Permanent Court of Lima, Juan Buendia Valenzuela, who opened his statement with an arrest warrant for Joran van der Sloot.
De acuerdo al comunicado del Poder Judicial, Buendía acogió la denuncia fiscal según la cual Van der Sloot habría asesinado a Flores Ramírez “con ferocidad y gran crueldad”. According to the statement of the Judiciary, Buendia welcomed the prosecutor's report according to which
Van der Sloot would have killed Ramirez Flores "with great ferocity and cruelty
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“En la madrugada de hoy el magistrado tomó las generales de ley al ciudadano de nacionalidad holandesa de 22 años de edad y, minutos después, ofició a las autoridades del Instituto Nacional Penitenciario (Inpe) para que cumplan con internarlo en un centro de penitenciario”, indicó el comunicado. "At dawn today, the judge took the general law to the Netherlands national citizen 22 years of age and, minutes later, authorities officiated at the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) to comply with an outpatient center in a prison" , the statement said.
MÁS DENUNCIADOS REPORTED MORE
La denuncia también comprende a John Williams, John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte ya Carlos Alberto Uribe Pretil. The complaint also includes John Williams, John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte and Carlos Alberto Uribe parapet. A los tres se les acusa por el presunto delito de omisión de denuncia. The three are accused by the alleged failure to report crime.
El magistrado consideró que Williams, Aparcana Pisconte y Uribe facilitaron el transporte al holandés teniendo, supuestamente, conocimiento de su crimen.
The magistrate found that Williams, Uribe Aparcana Pisconte and helped with transportation to the Netherlands have, allegedly, knowledge of his crime.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #837 6/10/10 -
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Quote from: San on June 11, 2010, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: jen3560 on June 11, 2010, 10:45:11 AM
Quote from: sylvia on June 11, 2010, 10:42:14 AM
I wonder if Joran is asking to speak to a specific Aruban official. Does he want to tell them they better help him out or he'll let the house of cards fall. It it's allowed, it will be interesting to see who shows up.
If it happens, I guarantee it will be Dolph Richardson.
If it happens he has to have rock solid proof (in writing & emails). Because if he is just going to blabber people won't believe him and say he is a liar.
I think this is where Anita enters the picture. Anita has the information but in this case will she use it. She doesn't have Paul to back her up anymore and she is going to have to call in some hugh favors.
I was thinking just last night that life is changing dramatically for Anita and the rest of her male brood now. I seriously doubt if they will enjoy the broad support they have moving forward.
I wonder why that crackerjack journalist Renfro isn't over in Peru doing live reports on all of this? Why isn't FOX and CNN and HLN just tripping over themselves to put her on the air???
Renfro's fifteen minutes of fame is fleeting.......
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Quote from: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2010, 11:27:40 AM
Quote from: seemeatthebeach on June 11, 2010, 11:25:18 AM
I wonder if the dirty authorities from Aruba are tripping over each other to get to Joran first...to shut him up
I'll bet some are pooping their pants...........ummmmm might be a new aruban slogan............poopyourpants island
LOL Sunny.....I'm pretty sure there are many anal sphincters getting a work-out today in Aruba-ville.
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Quote from: wingnut on June 11, 2010, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
Does anyone know if the LE in Peru has said what info they found on Joran's computer?
I know they wanted forensic techs people to look at it, Aruba wanted the files...but have we heard yet what they found on his computer? Also they should get a warrant in Aruba to check all the computers of his family and friends of the family.
Hi Gypsy. Peru would have no jurisdiction in Aruba, just as the FBI has no jurisdiction in Aruba*. LE from Peru cannot arrest citizens of Aruba or swear out warrants, NOR CAN THE FBI. Only Aruban LE, would have jurisdiction.
*For all the idjits out there that keep blaming the FBI for not arresting van der Stool.
Hi wingnut. Good to hear your voice again. Hope all is well with you.
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Re: the laptop. I hoped they peeked!
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ARUBA DID YOU HERE THIS ALE HE'S GOING TO BRING YOU ALL DOWN
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Quote from: Blonde on June 11, 2010, 11:26:42 AM
Now is the time for Joran & Anita to push Pauls under the bus.
Daddy killed Natalee and buried her but I know where she is
I think that is exactly what is going to happen. I am not sure that is not what really happened.
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The complaint also includes John Williams, John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte and Carlos Alberto Uribe parapet. A los tres se les acusa por el presunto delito de omisión de denuncia. The three are accused by the alleged failure to report crime.
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Wonder who these people are and what they know?
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Quote from: nimrod on June 11, 2010, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: wingnut on June 11, 2010, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
Does anyone know if the LE in Peru has said what info they found on Joran's computer?
I know they wanted forensic techs people to look at it, Aruba wanted the files...but have we heard yet what they found on his computer? Also they should get a warrant in Aruba to check all the computers of his family and friends of the family.
Hi Gypsy. Peru would have no jurisdiction in Aruba, just as the FBI has no jurisdiction in Aruba*. LE from Peru cannot arrest citizens of Aruba or swear out warrants, NOR CAN THE FBI. Only Aruban LE, would have jurisdiction.
*For all the idjits out there that keep blaming the FBI for not arresting van der Stool.
Hi wingnut. Good to hear your voice again. Hope all is well with you.
Hey nimrod! I am good. Hope all is well with you too! Maybe, finally, we get to see see justice for Natalee. It has been a long time coming.
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Oh Blonde, that post with the computer details just made me spit out my water. Brilliant lol
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It's becoming plainly clear that Aruba dropped the ball-once again. It's common sense.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100611/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/van_der_sloot
Van der Sloot charged with
first-degree murder
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Quote from: NewfieMonkey on June 11, 2010, 11:34:40 AM
The complaint also includes John Williams, John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte and Carlos Alberto Uribe parapet. A los tres se les acusa por el presunto delito de omisión de denuncia. The three are accused by the alleged failure to report crime.
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Wonder who these people are and what they know?
I interpreted the rest of the article as them being the "taxi" drivers that took him to Chile...
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Quote from: nonesuche on June 11, 2010, 11:29:56 AM
Quote from: San on June 11, 2010, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: jen3560 on June 11, 2010, 10:45:11 AM
Quote from: sylvia on June 11, 2010, 10:42:14 AM
I wonder if Joran is asking to speak to a specific Aruban official. Does he want to tell them they better help him out or he'll let the house of cards fall. It it's allowed, it will be interesting to see who shows up.
If it happens, I guarantee it will be Dolph Richardson.
If it happens he has to have rock solid proof (in writing & emails). Because if he is just going to blabber people won't believe him and say he is a liar.
I think this is where Anita enters the picture. Anita has the information but in this case will she use it. She doesn't have Paul to back her up anymore and she is going to have to call in some hugh favors.
I was thinking just last night that life is changing dramatically for Anita and the rest of her male brood now. I seriously doubt if they will enjoy the broad support they have moving forward.
I wonder why that crackerjack journalist Renfro isn't over in Peru doing live reports on all of this?
Why isn't FOX and CNN and HLN just tripping over themselves to put her on the air???
Renfro's fifteen minutes of fame is fleeting.......
She would never travel there by herself especially being a Joran supporter. If she starts spewing her crap out on TV that Joran is innocent and I have talked to many people in Peru and they said so too she will be harmed.
She is an American Traitor and she will have to live with that title the rest of her life.
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Quote from: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2010, 11:28:44 AM
Thank you SS!
Yes I believe info about Natalee will be in his computer. If he is stupid enough to stage that whole return from the coffee shop on the video he is stupid enough to keep a diary and info about her.
In a way I hope there is, but on the other hand, I am almost afraid of what they will find on there. If my suspicions are right there may be much more than any of us want to know.
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=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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