Natalee Case Discussion #837 6/10/10 - 6/12/10

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He won't be using his  tiny winy ever again.

Wow.  Gives new meaning to "dude looks like a lady".

So, is that just a really tight tuck game or... nevermind.  I don't actually want to know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0VgnCiuFfA

[nonesuche]

I think you skeeeered them darleen!

Now THAT is priceless !!! I don't go 'there' since they love to post IP addresses publicly but Darleen's post and their reaction is a hoot!

[nonesuche]

Deenie - that is lovely; you also should post it here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8105.0

klaas set up a Condolence thread that "we will figure out how to get to Stephany's family."

Thanks msmarple, I missed that link

[MisGivings]

He won't be using his  tiny winy ever again.

Wow.  Gives new meaning to "dude looks like a lady".

So, is that just a really tight tuck game or... nevermind.  I don't actually want to know.

No time to tuck. What you see is what you get.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0VgnCiuFfA

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.northstarnational.com/2010/06/12/dont-blame-the-fbi-for-van-der-sloot-killing-again/
Don’t blame the FBI for Van der Sloot killing again
June 12th, 2010
Talking heads and newspapers are severely criticizing the FBI for not arresting Joran Van der Sloot in Aruba when they had the chance. On May 10, Van der Sloot accepted money from an attorney on behalf of the Natalee Holloway family in return for learning where her body is buried. The critics would have you believe the FBI agents, who were in Aruba monitoring Van der Sloot’s meeting, had better things to do like snorkeling and drinking beer on the beach.
Van der Sloot received a $15,000 wire transfer to his bank, and $10,000 in cash from the attorney, as a down payment of the $250,000 he demanded before revealing where Natalee Holloway’s body is buried. Soon after the meeting, he flew to Peru for a poker tournament and allegedly killed another young woman, Stephany Flores.

Critics forget that Aruba is a Netherlands territory, and does not fall under the jurisdiction of the United States. Even though the FBI coordinated with Dutch law enforcement authorities, Van der Sloot did not violate Dutch law. Had Dutch authorities arrested or detained one of its own citizens it would be unlawful. This is as unlikely to happen as it would be if the Dutch police asked the FBI to arrest a U.S. citizen for them in Birmingham, Alabama.

As a DEA special agent on diplomatic assignment in Islamabad, Pakistan in the mid-1990s, I was responsible for processing and monitoring all formal extradition requests made by the U.S. It was there I learned how arduous the extradition process is, especially in a place like Pakistan.
The FBI agents in Aruba had to report their findings to the U.S. attorney’s office so it could seek an indictment of Van der Sloot for his extortion and wire fraud activities. Most federal grand juries don’t meet every day, and you’re lucky to get grand jury time within a week. Once indicted, a federal judge issues an arrest warrant.

Then, in order to seek Van der Sloot’s formal extradition, the Department of Justice’s International Affairs office has to review the entire investigation, indictment and arrest warrant, complete voluminous paperwork and present it to the attorney general personally for his signature. He cannot delegate this responsibility to a deputy. Next, the State Department ships the entire package, sometimes adorned with red ribbons and the U.S. seal pressed into red wax, through diplomatic channels to our embassy in Amsterdam, along with a provisional arrest warrant. A U.S. diplomat there presents the package to the appropriate Dutch authorities. At this point, the U.S. has to rely on The Netherlands to locate, arrest and initiate extradition proceedings against Van der Sloot. Once arrested, extradition proceedings and appeals could literally take years, making a successful prosecution less likely because witnesses become unavailable or their memories fade.
To cover all bases, the FBI probably was simultaneously coordinating with its Interpol representative to secure an international “red warrant” for Van der Sloot’s arrest. Interpol calls it this because there is literally a red strip down the left side of the cover sheet. This red warrant is necessary in case the fugitive is located in a third country so authorities there take him into custody. Without an Interpol red warrant, a disinterested third country, such as Peru, would be reluctant to make the arrest.

Keep in mind that the FBI’s middle name is “Bureau,” and its bureaucracy, grown over the years, makes it sometimes slow to act. Knowing this, the FBI agents in Aruba were probably relieved Van der Sloot went on a gambling junket in order to buy them time to get a red warrant and receive several levels of permission to start the extradition process.

Nobody could have predicted that Van der Sloot would kill again, and to suggest that the FBI agents in Aruba were somehow negligent in their duties is unfair. If FBI agents were psychics, they’d have the winning numbers for the next Power Ball drawing.
DEA and FBI agents have successfully conducted “extrajudicial renditions” to capture fugitives when formal extradition is not an option. These controversial renditions, or as defense attorneys like to call them, “kidnappings,” have been upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. I’ve personally participated in several of them. The FBI probably considered doing this with the playboy gambler.

So, don’t blame the FBI for what happened to Ms. Flores in Peru. It was following international law, and that’s what it’s supposed to do.

Gregory D. Lee is a retired DEA Supervisory Special Agent and the author of Conspiracy Investigations: Terrorism, Drugs and Gangs which has a chapter on how federal agents conduct extrajudicial renditions. Reach him through his website: www.gregorydlee.com.

[nonesuche]

The 5th part of the interview with subtitles is up.

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/0/xEDTNr-r5BU

Thank you Bearly, I have watched all five now and highly recommend to others that it's well worth the time to watch these. Stephany's father provides some explanations about her demeanor and also her activities, that are enlightening. Parents often know their children best, as did Beth.........only to have Aruba try to rewrite Natalee's habits and behaviors. I cannot imagine how painful it is to have your child murdered only to have those who protected the murderer be allowed a global pulpit to malign her unfairly and maliciously.

He also speaks of Natalee and her family in these, it's very poignant.
 
I am thankful Peru sees Stephany as the victim so readily.

[Jo-An]

[Jo-An]

Joran new trial by Justice

Bert Huisjes and Kieran Kaal
 
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot will soon by a Dutch prosecutor interrogated on his new confession about the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Joran said Natalee Holloway's body yesterday to seek to appoint, but if the only place in Aruba to tell local authorities. According to the Peruvian police is a desperate attempt to escape the Peruvian cell.
"We must wait and see what the explanation is worth," said Chief Peter Blanken. "But the investigation into his laptop also our sincere interest." Joran fell further yesterday in a fix, now camera footage shows that he staged a play in front of the hotel room where the dead Stephany Flores (21) was found.
The camera images can be seen that he leave the room, two coffee and get returns. After the first room with his key to have open, he pulls it back close to a hotel employee to ask for assistance. The Peruvian police believes that Joran wanted to make a wrong track. "The Holland citizen is very cunning and clever," said General Cesar Guardia head detective in an interview with this newspaper.
Based on his 500-page murder case the prosecution complained Joran yesterday for robbery and murder. The prosecutor wants Joran given the brutality and cruelty of the great act "for decades behind bars. The motive, according to prosecutors and the Police robbery. But the file also states that she night before only 676 Peruvian Soles (200 euros) won.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6929588/__Nieuw_verhoor_Joran_door_justitie__.html?p=14,1

[JA]

I watched two of the videos and felt that Stephany's father really spoke honestly and sounded like a good man.  He spoke well of his daughter, she sounded like a nice young woman.  He made no excuses for her choices of going to a casino alone and did not approve of it. 

Unlike Anita and all her reditions of what a perfect boy her delicious sporter is.

I wonder if Joran's family will "pay" for him to have a private cell during him being a "guest" of the Peruvian government.  It sounds like for the right price those accomodations can be made.  or I wonder if the Peruvians don't want him having a private cell after his trial. . . .

[seemeatthebeach]

The 5th part of the interview with subtitles is up.

http://www.youtube.com/user/migmontest#p/u/0/xEDTNr-r5BU

Thanks Bearly.....I've been waiting for the 5 remaining parts.

[Jo-An]

The confession of Joran van der Sloot: "I took her by the neck and strangled"

The Dutchman told the police reacted violently after Stephany Flores hit her head after hearing the case of Natalee Holloway

Saturday June 12, 2010 - 12:21 am

(Frecuencia Latina)
In testimony given to police for the murder of the young Stephany Ramirez Flores, Joran van der Sloot confessed to killing the daughter of Ricardo Flores motorist in room 309 of Tac hotel he was staying.

According to the notice "90 Seconds", the demonstration was given by the citizens Netherlands in the presence of counsel and with the help of a translator that he was taken questions from the authorities in their own language.

According to his account, he and Stephany entered her room around 5:30 am on May 31 after playing in the Atlantic City casino. According to Conte, Stephany occurred to him that could play online poker and so went to his room.

At that time, had "received an email stating" I'll kill mongolito "which are colds, the murder of Natalee Holloway, the young American who was accused of having murdered in Aruba in 2005.

Then Van der Sloot spoke to Stephany on the case and told him that he had been arrested for that offense. She, again according to Joran, had a strong reaction and gave him a punch on the left side of his head. The Dutchman said he reacted with his elbow and hit her leaving "almost fainting."

He also assures that the reaction of Stephany affected him while he took her by the neck with both hands and "choked for about a minute."

Then Joran van de Sloot left the hotel at Stephany van, but after leaving the vehicle parked in Surco, boarded a taxi that took him to Ica and Arica another direction. According to his testimony, both taxi drivers told them that they were wrongly accused of killing one person.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/493708/confesion-joran-van-der-sloot-tome-cuello-estrangule

[Shell]

Does anyone have the link handy of the video of Joran walking out with the cups and knocking on the door, then getting staff to unlock the door for him? I have been up all night, consumed with this case. I would appreciate that link so I do not have to reread what I have already read. Thanks!

[klaasend]

Does anyone have the link handy of the video of Joran walking out with the cups and knocking on the door, then getting staff to unlock the door for him? I have been up all night, consumed with this case. I would appreciate that link so I do not have to reread what I have already read. Thanks!

Click on the photo below for the video

[ozziesmom]

Good Morning Monkeys!!! How's everyone today???

Anyone hear anything from Slippery Joe Tacapina lately??? Wonder what his thoughts are on the the video tape of Joran (pretending to knock on the door?)

[Shell]

He won't be using his  tiny winy ever again.

Wow.  Gives new meaning to "dude looks like a lady".

So, is that just a really tight tuck game or... nevermind.  I don't actually want to know.

No time to tuck. What you see is what you get.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0VgnCiuFfA

Can't stop laughing, you all are so fun.

[klaasend]

I watched two of the videos and felt that Stephany's father really spoke honestly and sounded like a good man.  He spoke well of his daughter, she sounded like a nice young woman.  He made no excuses for her choices of going to a casino alone and did not approve of it. 

Unlike Anita and all her reditions of what a perfect boy her delicious sporter is.

I wonder if Joran's family will "pay" for him to have a private cell during him being a "guest" of the Peruvian government.  It sounds like for the right price those accomodations can be made.  or I wonder if the Peruvians don't want him having a private cell after his trial. . . .

They MAY pay something for a while but not for long.  We know how they feel about him.  Anita felt it more important to attend the party at the Marriott on June 10th and his brother has been out partying since Joran murdered Stephany.  Not sure how they can sleep at night.

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Birmingham CBS/42 said that the blood on Joran's clothes matched Stephany's
in intial tests.

They also said that in Peru, you get 2 for 1 in the prisons.
If you serve one year with good behavior, you get credit for two years.

You can bet your ass he will NOT have good behavior.

[Jo-An]

'Murderer, you will die in jail! "
By M. Beteta

Gringo murderer! You will die in jail! Where is the body of your another victim! ". With these words full of anger and resentment, shouted loudly, bystanders and relatives of some prisoners vented their anger against the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (23), confessed murderer of Stephany Flores (21), while being transferred to the prison 'Castro Castro. "
Such was the fury of the crowd almost lynched him. As the police formed a shield around him, threw garbage in front of the premises of the Permanent Court Time, located in the block 5 Abancay Avenue. From there he was taken under tight security at the courthouse lockup.
By the time he was taken into an ambulance, along with 11 other detainees, they threw a plastic bag with tangerine peel and bits of toilet paper used.
Others threw a piece of mud that nearly falls on his head, while the insults grew louder.
The stranger had his hands and feet enmarrocados. He tried to cover his head with a blanket, but the curious and relatives of other detainees pulled her, leaving her face uncovered.
After addressing the INPE ambulance, was taken in only fifteen minutes to the lockup of the Judiciary, heavily guarded.
Head down
When they reached the Palace of Justice, the Cotabambas shred the murderer was the last to come down after the other detainees.
The soldiers forced him to bow his head to enter the lockup. In that seat was the head of INPE, Ruben Rodriguez Rabanal.
Two hours later, the Dutchman ambulance raised again and this time he was transferred directly only maximum security prison "Castro Castro", located in the area of Canto Grande, San Juan de Lurigancho.
When leaving the lockup of the Judiciary, the alien was again the target of insults of all sizes and even some women tried to approach him to hit him with their wallets and newspapers, but police prevented him. The agents, who had formed a cordon to protect it, prevented the attack.

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-11/ontractualidad1094690.html

[Blonde]

This is all Paulus, Anita and ALE fault when something bad happened they should have lead them to Natalee’s body this would have nevergone this far.
They created their own NIGHTMARE ISLAND  JORAN YOUR A MONSTER .
Joran would have done 6 month time and we would have Natalee, but no they had to LIE and brought this all on their people of Aruba themselves.
BOYCOTT ARUBA GIVE US NATALEE
JORAN ENJOY YOUR NEW HOME

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(Edit) add link per texasmom.  MB)
http://www.bonaireinsider.com/

apparently, he is a bit prophetic.  He knocked her eye out with his bare hands.  I wonder if that is what he was thinking about when he painted this.  What a sick bastard, I hope they knock his eyes out so he doesnt know when "its" coming.