Lively Case Discussion #669 7/30 - 7/31/2007

[Helen Back]

Everyday you learn something about this case that seems to solidify beliefs that there was never ever gonna be justice for Natalee. And it makes me dig my heels in further.

It never stops Rob. Everybody has their hands in each other's pockets in Aruba.

It's all so gooey!  When you look at SMDG's client list, half of them are in Palm Beach, Florida.  No wonder Pesquera was so cozy there.  That position was a done deal.

[klaasend]

Cohen

Dayhiker writes: "Thanks San, so it was the Aruba government through Briesen who put a muzzle on Cohen. So Tourism Minister Briesen did not want the truth to come out, is that it? It is doubtful Cohen just pulled that information out of nowhere. That is his area of expertise, what he was hired to do, to present information to the public."

Do you think a pro like Cohen would go on air and deliberately lie in such way that it allows him to get caught, and then smacked down in public?  The way he was humiliated after joran returned to Holland after Christmas break and Cohen assured all that he would be questioned during his stay on Aruba?

Likewise, do you think it possible that someone who mattered did not green light Cohen's comments on Dr Phil, where he stated --  outright -- that the boys had sex w/ Natalee and there was "guilt".

I think Steve Cohen is a contemptible lowlife.  And a man of dubious conscience.  But I think he's a pro, at the media game.

And I always thought he got lied to or double-crossed, that he was set up to look a fool.

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I think you're right Hammer. 

[Dayhiker]

Cohen

Dayhiker writes: "Thanks San, so it was the Aruba government through Briesen who put a muzzle on Cohen. So Tourism Minister Briesen did not want the truth to come out, is that it? It is doubtful Cohen just pulled that information out of nowhere. That is his area of expertise, what he was hired to do, to present information to the public."

Do you think a pro like Cohen would go on air and deliberately lie in such way that it allows him to get caught, and then smacked down in public?  The way he was humiliated after joran returned to Holland after Christmas break and Cohen assured all that he would be questioned during his stay on Aruba?

Likewise, do you think it possible that someone who mattered did not green light Cohen's comments on Dr Phil, where he stated --  outright -- that the boys had sex w/ Natalee and there was "guilt".

I think Steve Cohen is a contemptible lowlife.  And a man of dubious conscience.  But I think he's a pro, at the media game.

And I always thought he got lied to or double-crossed, that he was set up to look a fool.

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I agree with you 100% Hammer, Cohen is a lowlife and he got double-crossed. He didn't make that stuff up about two of the pimps having consensual sex with her. Just like the June 10 confession, this crap didn't crawl out of nowhere.

[klaasend]

http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services/4307348-1.html

HomeTeam Adds Stephen J. Cohen as President.
Publication: Business Wire
Date: Wednesday, April 4 2007
Subject: Television programs


Industry Veteran Brings Extensive Knowledge of Broadcasting, Cable Programming, New Media Development

SEATTLE -- HomeTeam, creator of the nationally syndicated "Cause" television program of the same name, announced the recent appointment of Stephen J. Cohen as president.

(snipped)

http://www.ht-tv.com/three.php?&content=about

[Dayhiker]

Earth to Rona Coster and anybody else in Aruba still pulling on their ears trying to figure this out. IT'S THE COVER-UP STUPID!!!

VMS article post snipped:

Friday, I met Bob DiLella, of Sherwood News, in Aruba, a spin doctor here to help us sort things out. It is parially your fault, he said. When reporters asked you about crime statistics and other serious matters you answered: look at the ocean how blue, and the weather so nice! Issues have to be dealt with, a responsible spokesperson must assume center stage for the purpose of communicating well-packaged information, you must be honest and forthcoming, not just appalled, outraged and confused. He is right, that’s how I feel appalled, outraged and confused, thus useless in the investigation, which I believe is in good hand with Commissionaire Van Statten and prosecutor Janssen. Bottom line: How did this story get so big. While no one is talking about it as a gossip columnist I can report that President Bush, classical pianist Condolisa Rice and the Governor of Alabama all called our prime minister, Nelson Oduber, urging him to cooperate with the FBI. Of course he would, he wants this thing over as much as you and me. So how did this story become so big.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

   Checked out the FP... which looks very nice. And not to piss anyone off.. but.. Ummm.. A caption contest for a poor homeless drowning victim? I apologize... perhaps  I am missing something there..?
  I have a friend whos baby girl drown.. and know others who have as well.     I apologize if I am not getting the gist of it?  I know .. it was published in the paper.. that photo.. but I also have compassion. I am so glad our papers here do not print those kind of photos.  That dude  was homeless? Probaably may have family out there somewhere.. and IMO.. I think its sad to poke fun. Or Maybe he don't? Who is gonna have a funeral for him? Where is he gonna end up?   I guess I am lost to the meaning of the photo and caption contest. What if it were Natalee that washed ashore if she is indeed in the water.. and it was a caption elsewhere?
 Maybe I am having a blonde moment..  ok not blonde but gray..?
 If someone can splain to me in email the signifigance of this..  I'd appreciate it. Carry on and sorry if I have offended anyone for speaking my 2 cents.

[Dayhiker]

Thank you Klaas. From this we can gather that the Chemaly family is tied to Cohen and Dilella and Julia Renfro. One Happy Family.

And of course, BONDIA as well:

http://www.cspnv.com/pages/staffypersonal.htm

DIRECTOR
John Chemaly
John Chemaly Jr.

[/quote]


Thank you Klaas. Do we know of John Chemaly and family's other business interest on Aruba and elsewhere? Possible ties to the hotel owners and casinos?

[MsVada]

  Checked out the FP... which looks very nice. And not to piss anyone off.. but.. Ummm.. A caption contest for a poor homeless drowning victim? I apologize... perhaps  I am missing something there..?
  I have a friend whos baby girl drown.. and know others who have as well.     I apologize if I am not getting the gist of it?  I know .. it was published in the paper.. that photo.. but I also have compassion. I am so glad our papers here do not print those kind of photos.  That dude  was homeless? Probaably may have family out there somewhere.. and IMO.. I think its sad to poke fun. Or Maybe he don't? Who is gonna have a funeral for him? Where is he gonna end up?   I guess I am lost to the meaning of the photo and caption contest. What if it were Natalee that washed ashore if she is indeed in the water.. and it was a caption elsewhere?
 Maybe I am having a blonde moment..  ok not blonde but gray..?
 If someone can splain to me in email the signifigance of this..  I'd appreciate it. Carry on and sorry if I have offended anyone for speaking my 2 cents.

Angie,  You are not offending ME,  some of us complained about the tacky caption contest already,  Quite frankly, I am a bit surprised it is still there and hadn't been taken down,  It is very offensive and cruel.   
Vada

[San]

Everyday you learn something about this case that seems to solidify beliefs that there was never ever gonna be justice for Natalee. And it makes me dig my heels in further.

It never stops Rob. Everybody has their hands in each other's pockets in Aruba.

It's all so gooey!  When you look at SMDG's client list, half of them are in Palm Beach, Florida.  No wonder Pesquera was so cozy there.  That position was a done deal.

I agree.

[klaasend]

Thank you Klaas. From this we can gather that the Chemaly family is tied to Cohen and Dilella and Julia Renfro. One Happy Family.

And of course, BONDIA as well:

http://www.cspnv.com/pages/staffypersonal.htm

DIRECTOR
John Chemaly
John Chemaly Jr.

Thank you Klaas. Do we know of John Chemaly and family's other business interest on Aruba and elsewhere? Possible ties to the hotel owners and casinos?
[/quote]

With the Chemaly name this is all I'm finding at the Arubachamber:

ALFRED CHEMALY & SONS 
 
Business address CUMANA 69, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  ALFRED CHEMALY & SONS 
Date of commencement  9 FEBRUARY 1950 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
CHEMALY, JOHN ALFRED; 
Residing in  L.G. SMITH BLVD. 111, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 11 MAY 1945 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  29 AUGUST 1989 
Authority  FULL 


And this inactive one:


ALFRED CHEMALY & SONS FREEZONE N.V. 
 
Business address ORANJESTAD VRIJE ZONE BLVD, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ALFRED CHEMALY & SONS FREEZONE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  24 JANUARY 1984 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 6 OCTOBER 1992 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
CHEMALY, JOHN ALFRED; 
Residing in  L.G. SMITH BLVD. 111, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 11 MAY 1945 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  24 JANUARY 1984 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. HET IMPORTEREN EN EXPORTEREN VAN ALLE DAARVOOR IN AANMERKING KOMENDE GOEDEREN IN EN UIT DE VRIJE-ZONE, EEN EN ANDER ZOWEL VOOR EIGEN REKENING ALS VOOR REKENING VAN DERDEN.

2. HET OPTREDEN ALS VEEMBEDRIJF EN DAARBIJ ALLE DAARVOOR IN AANMERKING KOMENDE GOEDEREN TE IMPORTEREN, EXPORTEREN, VERPAKKEN, HERVERPAKKEN, OP TE SLAAN EN TE VERHANDELEN.

3. HET DEELNEMEN IN ANDERE VRIJE-ZONE ONDERNEMINGEN MET EEN SOORTGELIJK OF AANVERWANT DOEL.

4. HET VERRICHTEN VAN AL HETGEEN MET HET VORENSTAANDE IN DE RUIMSTE ZIN VERBAND HOUDT OF DAARAAN BEVORDERLIJK KAN ZIJN. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 

[Rob]

To me this is the most important part so far uncovered - Dilella has a longtime connection to Aruba and the MEP. Oduber obviously knew him and called him (or one of Oduber's associates did) while Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale.

This is where the cover-up started. It is before 6-9 - 6-10-2005.

We need to examine this aspect and nail this down.

This will prove who, what, where and when. We now have it down to a list of candidates and their accomplices.

Oduber gave the finally order. He had to. Only he had the power to make the decision. WAS THERE A MEETING IN FLORIDA? IS THIS WHERE A CONSPIRACY OCCURRED? AND SUBJECT TO A US CRIMINAL PROBE AS FOUNDED ON  AMERICAN SOIL?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

  Checked out the FP... which looks very nice. And not to piss anyone off.. but.. Ummm.. A caption contest for a poor homeless drowning victim? I apologize... perhaps  I am missing something there..?
  I have a friend whos baby girl drown.. and know others who have as well.     I apologize if I am not getting the gist of it?  I know .. it was published in the paper.. that photo.. but I also have compassion. I am so glad our papers here do not print those kind of photos.  That dude  was homeless? Probaably may have family out there somewhere.. and IMO.. I think its sad to poke fun. Or Maybe he don't? Who is gonna have a funeral for him? Where is he gonna end up?   I guess I am lost to the meaning of the photo and caption contest. What if it were Natalee that washed ashore if she is indeed in the water.. and it was a caption elsewhere?
 Maybe I am having a blonde moment..  ok not blonde but gray..?
 If someone can splain to me in email the signifigance of this..  I'd appreciate it. Carry on and sorry if I have offended anyone for speaking my 2 cents.

Angie,  You are not offending ME,  some of us complained about the tacky caption contest already,  Quite frankly, I am a bit surprised it is still there and hadn't been taken down,  It is very offensive and cruel.   
Vada

 I just dont quite get it I guess. I know that photo has been in some videos.. but.. its not the same IMO to specifically post that photo and have a contest about some poor homeless drowning victim.  I have seen other caption contests that were funny.. I cant say I find this one being amusing. IMO    Gonna go for a bit.. 

[igsigs]

SHOE SIZE ALIBI  ANY TAKERS?

From book. During the interrogation Joran is asked to take off his shoes and is then asked, "Why are you now wearing size 10.5, while you stated that on May 30th you were wearing size 14?

"That's because of the difference between English and American shoe sizes, but i don't tell them."

[Nut44x4]

ME THINKS Queen Bea needs a new Doctor !!! it appears her cardiologist is
  Drs. J.A.P. van der Sloot
http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/content.jsp?objectid=2884


That is pretty weird...lol. There is a pix of him here:
http://www.hartfalenpoli.nl/hartfalenpoli/pages/sprekers/index.php?cdromID=2

[klaasend]

SHOE SIZE ALIBI  ANY TAKERS?

From book. During the interrogation Joran is asked to take off his shoes and is then asked, "Why are you now wearing size 10.5, while you stated that on May 30th you were wearing size 14?

"That's because of the difference between English and American shoe sizes, but i don't tell them."

BS

[klaasend]

SHOE SIZE ALIBI  ANY TAKERS?

From book. During the interrogation Joran is asked to take off his shoes and is then asked, "Why are you now wearing size 10.5, while you stated that on May 30th you were wearing size 14?

"That's because of the difference between English and American shoe sizes, but i don't tell them."

BS

Nowhere is a size 14 the same as a 10.5 - it does not convert

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/TWInt/Twint_Pages/shoe.html

[Leslie]

I agree with Angie and MsVada about the "caption contest".  Every human being is worthy of dignity in life and in death.  My remark would be "There but for the grace of God go I."

[BTgirl]

I agree with Angie and MsVada about the "caption contest".  Every human being is worthy of dignity in life and in death.  My remark would be "There but for the grace of God go I."

Amen, sister.

[Nut44x4]

I agree with Angie and MsVada about the "caption contest".  Every human being is worthy of dignity in life and in death.  My remark would be "There but for the grace of God go I."

Me too...that is why I only posted 'seriously' as to why his arms are suspended...

[Dayhiker]

What is the Chemaly's dog in this fight that they would allow their newspapers to bash the victim?



Here is some more information on the Chemaly's

JOHN CHEMALY, JR. OWNS VALENTINO'S RESTAURANT

 Cuisine Regional Italian 
   
 Hours Mon-Sat 6-11pm 
   
Address Noord 43E 
   
 Location At Caribbean Palm Village, Noord, High-Rise Hotels/Palm Beach/Noord 
   
 Reservations Reservations recommended 
   
 Phone 297/586-4777



NEW AGA BOARD OF DIRECTORS 2004 ELECTED

The AGA elected its Board of Directors at the General Assembly held in early February.  Members expressed satisfaction over the direction taken by the 2003 board under the leadership of Hubert Solagnier, General Manager of Amazonia Churrascaria, and re-elected them. The current board consists of President Hubert Solagnier, Vice President Roy Leitch (Waterfront Crabhouse), Treasurer Ann Brown (Tierra del Sol) and members at large Rudsel Maduro (Iguana Joe’s), Douglass Markus (Cuba’s Cookin’), John Chemaly, Jr. (Valentino’s), and Gerry Mans (La Cabana).