Lively Case Discussion #669 7/30 - 7/31/2007

[mrs. red]

Monkeys... i am out of here for a while...

NJ, I saw a post earlier that you asked me about my site... it's still under construction... I have a lot of ideas though!!

I said that eons ago... and i am still here..

bye Mrs. Red...I am right behind ya....time to start supper

[SunnyinTX]

Just when things were getting good and I was getting the hang of this, I have a dumpling over my shoulder.  Must be her turn at the PC.

Smoochies to all. 

TTYL Peaches

[San]

Hi monkeys!
Don't want to take you OT, but I just got into the cage after having my nose pushed up on the outside for the past two years. Thanks to klaas et al I finally got to join you all. I've been a big-time follower of Natalee's case from, well, when I realized Aruba was doing a cover-up and not bring justice for Natalee. It was way too obvious from Jun 11th on what happened, and I became obsessed. I'm a long-time poster at another board and any of you who may read there would know me by my nic which is the same as here.

Anyway, just wanted to say 'Hi!' and hope to be a regular contributor to your wonderful forum. Oh, and I do follow other cases besides Natalee's, like Donna Jou that I've seen mentioned here today and TexasEquaSearch is going to help look for. I'm from OC, Calif so Donna is a local, to me, missing young coed. Being a mom with four single daughters, I cringe every time I see a Natalee or Donna story come out.

Oh, another thing, as far as ANYTHING sent out of Aruba for testing, think "chain of evidence." They could have sent a sample from a car found in the junk yard for all anyone knows. The FBI said there was blood, IMHO, there was blood. What was tested, that's a different story because the FBI didn't get it directly from the source but from ALE.
 
fran

Welcome fran.  I agree.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Blood in Kalpoe Car

Oduber said this on 6/11/05. At this point in time, Joran's story was dropped at home > Kalpoes drive off with Natalee.

Maybe there was never blood in the car and this was just another evil part of the ALE so called investigation?IMO Natalee was at the van der Sloot compound and may have died there.I highly doubt Deepak,who supposedly is fussy about his car,would let Joran get blood all over it let alone chocolate.

[klaasend]

Hi monkeys!
Don't want to take you OT, but I just got into the cage after having my nose pushed up on the outside for the past two years. Thanks to klaas et al I finally got to join you all. I've been a big-time follower of Natalee's case from, well, when I realized Aruba was doing a cover-up and not bring justice for Natalee. It was way too obvious from Jun 11th on what happened, and I became obsessed. I'm a long-time poster at another board and any of you who may read there would know me by my nic which is the same as here.

Anyway, just wanted to say 'Hi!' and hope to be a regular contributor to your wonderful forum. Oh, and I do follow other cases besides Natalee's, like Donna Jou that I've seen mentioned here today and TexasEquaSearch is going to help look for. I'm from OC, Calif so Donna is a local, to me, missing young coed. Being a mom with four single daughters, I cringe every time I see a Natalee or Donna story come out.

Oh, another thing, as far as ANYTHING sent out of Aruba for testing, think "chain of evidence." They could have sent a sample from a car found in the junk yard for all anyone knows. The FBI said there was blood, IMHO, there was blood. What was tested, that's a different story because the FBI didn't get it directly from the source but from ALE.

 
fran

Welcome Fran!  Glad to see you made it!

[San]

[igsigs]

Did anyone ever wonder that the line about Deepak being meticulous with his car was a bunch of BS.  He needs to say that because he was seen cleaning his car the night Natalee went missing.  They are making him out to be a clean freak when he is not.

Yes, even mama K got in on the act. The part about where he would never go certain places because his car rides too low is highly suspicious also. They cleaned in an attempt to remove all traces of Natalee and if it is true that no traces were found, it only supports the notion that they knew how to get rid of evidence.

[KarmaRoundUp]

she was told that it was his headliner...and I do not believe that either holland ot the FBI got any portion of deepee's car's headliner....i remember at the times someone on SM was a person who did blood testing...and stated that there is a very simple test to determine of blood is from a human or an animal....sorry nothing more than that pops out of my memory on that at this time.....

Thanks Sunny....for some reason I got the impression that Beth had seen the car inside after they did their testing.So ALE could have had a test to determine the differences between dog blood and human blood but not have the abilities to do DNA testing on human blood?

Karma to the best of my knowledge Beth never saw inside the car....I have often wondered it the LE had taken the car that night what they would have found..perhaps in the trunk. I think your last statment is probably correct....I think I remember reading that DNA samples had to be taken to Holland as they didn''t have the expertise on aruba

Doesn't matter what they would have found had they done the investigation the way they were supoosed to.....whatever they found would have disappeared as quickly as Natalee seemed to.

[Sam]

Welcome Fran. It is always nice to see new Monkeys.

Oh old ones as well.

[sharon]

Sharon, you are probably right.  The ATA/AHATA groups may have hired "Shango" to continue his riddling to obfuscate and confuse after he had begun posting.  These groups are nothing but opportunists, and they may have jumped on the opportunity after Shango was originally created.  I believe others in the internet blogging community were also influenced (by offers of cash) to take the ATA/AHATA point of view.  How else can you explain the turn-about that Dan at Rielhworld View took after a month or so--I'm not sure when it occurred, but he most definitely changed sides. 

I agree. Many were involved. There were many in the blogging community with unexplained drastic change of views.
 
It became a game. With the secret of what happened to an innocent American teen as the trump card. To protect the good name of tourism on that craggy rock. And you can see all the lobby's represented just by listening to the posters. Casinos. Online gaming. Tours. Hotels..... All related to tourism $$$.

I no longer have to wonder if they are ho's. They've proven they are. All I have to wonder about is what price they charged.

BOYCOTT ARUBA
Justice for Natalee Holloway

[SunnyinTX]

Are the Kalpoes even dog owners?

I can't imagine someone as meticulous as Deepak was about that car allowing a bloody dog in the backseat. They supposedly cleaned the car once a week--did it just so happen that this alleged bloody dog was also riding in the back seat around the same time as Natalee went missing?

Like so many other aspects of this case, the dog blood story does not add up.

the dog blood story comes from the bloddy mattress...not deepee's car...his car supposedly had chocolate and cleaning fluid..

[SunFreak2]

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[San]

Did anyone ever wonder that the line about Deepak being meticulous with his car was a bunch of BS.  He needs to say that because he was seen cleaning his car the night Natalee went missing.  They are making him out to be a clean freak when he is not.

Yes, even mama K got in on the act. The part about where he would never go certain places because his car rides too low is highly suspicious also. They cleaned in an attempt to remove all traces of Natalee and if it is true that no traces were found, it only supports the notion that they knew how to get rid of evidence.

She sure did get in on the act.

I would love to know who the other two people were helping him clean.  We assume one was Satish but who was the 3rd person.  Did they wake mama to help them.  After all no one cleans as good as mama.

[klaasend]

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[mrs. red]

Fran,
Welcome... be sure and join us in the missing persons threads also.  We try and keep up with a lot of cases!

[igsigs]

Blood in Kalpoe Car

Oduber said this on 6/11/05. At this point in time, Joran's story was dropped at home > Kalpoes drive off with Natalee.

Maybe there was never blood in the car and this was just another evil part of the ALE so called investigation?IMO Natalee was at the van der Sloot compound and may have died there.I highly doubt Deepak,who supposedly is fussy about his car,would let Joran get blood all over it let alone chocolate.

Could be, Karma. I was thinking that ALE would not mind hanging this on the Ks, and releasing the *blood in car* info when Joran's story has them with Natalee last...was just fine with them. Then when the beach story came out, the blood disappeared.

[SunnyinTX]

Hi monkeys!
Don't want to take you OT, but I just got into the cage after having my nose pushed up on the outside for the past two years. Thanks to klaas et al I finally got to join you all. I've been a big-time follower of Natalee's case from, well, when I realized Aruba was doing a cover-up and not bring justice for Natalee. It was way too obvious from Jun 11th on what happened, and I became obsessed. I'm a long-time poster at another board and any of you who may read there would know me by my nic which is the same as here.

Anyway, just wanted to say 'Hi!' and hope to be a regular contributor to your wonderful forum. Oh, and I do follow other cases besides Natalee's, like Donna Jou that I've seen mentioned here today and TexasEquaSearch is going to help look for. I'm from OC, Calif so Donna is a local, to me, missing young coed. Being a mom with four single daughters, I cringe every time I see a Natalee or Donna story come out.

Oh, another thing, as far as ANYTHING sent out of Aruba for testing, think "chain of evidence." They could have sent a sample from a car found in the junk yard for all anyone knows. The FBI said there was blood, IMHO, there was blood. What was tested, that's a different story because the FBI didn't get it directly from the source but from ALE.

 
fran

hi Fran...welcome!!  I am with you all the way on this!!

[mrs. red]

 Really heading out now...

be well, and keep the faith monkeys...

I am sure I will be back later!

[Tamikosmom]

Apparently ... the ALE had check Deepak's vehicle prior to his May 31, 2005 statement which was taken at the police station at Bubali and ... did not notice blood or chocolate all over the car.  The interrogator implied that Deepak's vehicle was very clean.

Janet


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Karma, what do think the odds are that Deepak exchanged his car for another gray Honda?  After all, he had access to the rental car company and was inquiring about long term storage for his vehicle--presumably until he could make some changes to it like replacing the seats, headliner, carpeting, etc.  Just some minor alterations, you know.   

AZ I'm thinking if Deepak traded out parts of his car or the whole car,those mighty proper higher uppers on Aruba led the way.They probably suggested it.
I think I remember something about Deepak(maybe in Mr Skeeter's tapes)saying something about having to get the headliner and carpeting replaced.....or was that somewhere in the PV's?