Lively Case Discussion #562 12/18 - 12/20/2006

[Anna]

[Yep and all the pics are stills provided by Bailey on her webshots album, not by the perps.

The nude photos of Stephy and the photos of her with Joran wearing the light blue shirt and maybe a tie are from Joran's flicker site or his myspace or zorpia.  So are the photos of the boys all pinching each others nipples and the clothing strewn all around the room.

That is a totally different time from the night with Bailey.  All provided by the perps only and not even at the time Bailey was present.

Klass, isn't this correct?


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[LilPuma]

I know that, but there is absolutely no evidence of the 3 amigos ever having done any porn videos. It's all imaginary.

All the above is being used to supposedly 'prove' porn video capability, but it dosen't, it just shows a tourist is capable of taking pics and posting them on webshots.

I'm not debating that topic cause I don't know if it's possible or not possible.  I don't think the 8-1/2 cell phone call was a video.  I think it was Joran saying "the girl" didn't come around, etc.  I am saying that in spite of everything, we don't know what they did that night, where they went, who they were with.

[Anna]

Stephy is not a tourist, Carnut.

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[klaasend]

CARNUT - First off that picture of Stef was not obtained from webshots.

Second, Freddy was brought in for questioning for filming an underage girl.  Geraldo spoke of videos of underage girls early on in the case.

I realize for some reason you don't want to believe there could be a video but it is entirely possible.  Nobody here is saying it's a fact, just stating the possibility.

[Carnut]

[Yep and all the pics are stills provided by Bailey on her webshots album, not by the perps.

The nude photos of Stephy and the photos of her with Joran wearing the light blue shirt and maybe a tie are from Joran's flicker site or his myspace or zorpia.  So are the photos of the boys all pinching each others nipples and the clothing strewn all around the room.

That is a totally different time from the night with Bailey.  All provided by the perps only and not even at the time Bailey was present.

Klass, isn't this correct?

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I totally agree the 3 amigos are able to take still pics and post them at various online sites.

[klaasend]

[Yep and all the pics are stills provided by Bailey on her webshots album, not by the perps.

The nude photos of Stephy and the photos of her with Joran wearing the light blue shirt and maybe a tie are from Joran's flicker site or his myspace or zorpia.  So are the photos of the boys all pinching each others nipples and the clothing strewn all around the room.

That is a totally different time from the night with Bailey.  All provided by the perps only and not even at the time Bailey was present.

Klass, isn't this correct?


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The nude photo of Stef was sent to me via email.  The photo of Joran and Stef was on one of his (Joran's) sites.

[Carnut]

CARNUT - First off that picture of Stef was not obtained from webshots.

Second, Freddy was brought in for questioning for filming an underage girl.  Geraldo spoke of videos of underage girls early on in the case.

I realize for some reason you don't want to believe there could be a video but it is entirely possible.  Nobody here is saying it's a fact, just stating the possibility.

All I have been saying is that an 8 1/2 min cell call didn't transmitt any porn video.

[mrs. red]

CARNUT - First off that picture of Stef was not obtained from webshots.

Second, Freddy was brought in for questioning for filming an underage girl.  Geraldo spoke of videos of underage girls early on in the case.

I realize for some reason you don't want to believe there could be a video but it is entirely possible.  Nobody here is saying it's a fact, just stating the possibility.

it is a distinct possibility, IMO

[klaasend]

CARNUT - First off that picture of Stef was not obtained from webshots.

Second, Freddy was brought in for questioning for filming an underage girl.  Geraldo spoke of videos of underage girls early on in the case.

I realize for some reason you don't want to believe there could be a video but it is entirely possible.  Nobody here is saying it's a fact, just stating the possibility.

All I have been saying is that an 8 1/2 min cell call didn't transmitt any porn video.

Ok..so maybe it didn't.  Still does not mean that a video doesn't exist.  It could have been transmitted by Deepak to JCC.

[bleachedblack]

Bleachedblack - Yes, that photo was originally posted on the JoranBlog flikr site then Getagrip I think found Bailey Ann's webshot site where the photo originated from

Yes, Stef is referenced in the full webshot album that photo comes from.

Thank-you Klaas that was what I thought. I recall speculation at the time  that the car photo was posted as a message or hint, in a blatant brazen way by Joran(?) as documentation of an event significant to them(the night they abducted Natalee) and then the comparison between the known events with Bailey Ann and Steffy were made in comparison.

[ala_gunslinger]

Mrs. Red:  I pray your dad will improve.  Trust God.

Florida, We need more information on Loco Steph.

Klass, You're still an Eagle!

Merry Christmas ya'll!!

[klaasend]

Bleachedblack - Yes, that photo was originally posted on the JoranBlog flikr site then Getagrip I think found Bailey Ann's webshot site where the photo originated from

Yes, Stef is referenced in the full webshot album that photo comes from.

Thank-you Klaas that was what I thought. I recall speculation at the time  that the car photo was posted as a message or hint, in a blatant brazen way by Joran(?) as documentation of an event significant to them(the night they abducted Natalee) and then the comparison between the known events with Bailey Ann and Steffy were made in comparison.

Nope, not posted by Joran at all.  Was on the JoranBlog which was very much an anti-Joran site.

[Altruist]

Well, we certainly KNOW they are viewing porno movies in car's, that is certain.  No denying that one.

They're a bunch of pigs who probably couldn't create an orgasm if they had 10 million in front of them cuz it would mean being gentle to a human & that I do not believe they are capable of, but being mean & nasty, oh yeah, that's about all they have in them, despite the lies their egg donors proclaim.

[klaasend]

Mrs. Red:  I pray your dad will improve.  Trust God.

Florida, We need more information on Loco Steph.

Klass, You're still an Eagle!

Merry Christmas ya'll!!

Hi Gunslinger - how are you?

[crazybabyborg]

Hi MOnkeys.... I am woefully uninformed... and haven't had time to catch up.... how is everyone?

I've missed you Mrs. Red!!! The question is: How are YOU?


Ono, Merry Christmas back at you!    That's fine, you are beautiful anyway! BUT if it's just intimidation at the process and you want one, then I'm the designated Special Ed teacher. I have special qualifications because I'm a member of the club!  

[ala_gunslinger]

CARNUT - First off that picture of Stef was not obtained from webshots.

Second, Freddy was brought in for questioning for filming an underage girl.  Geraldo spoke of videos of underage girls early on in the case.

I realize for some reason you don't want to believe there could be a video but it is entirely possible.  Nobody here is saying it's a fact, just stating the possibility.

All I have been saying is that an 8 1/2 min cell call didn't transmitt any porn video.

Hello Carnut!  Perhaps joran suffers from PES?    

Even zipped???   Anidac????

You may be correct depending on the baud rate.

[LilPuma]

Hi MOnkeys.... I am woefully uninformed... and haven't had time to catch up.... how is everyone?

  Hi Mrs. Red! Merry Christmas to you! How is your dad doing?

he isn't good... I am trying to spend as much time as possible... I don't think he will be with us much longer.... he gave us the "speech" the other night... about not being sad...

Sorry to hear your dad isn't doing well.  We can pray for a miracle, but if he leaves you physcially it's because he's moving on to another phase of life and he'll still be with you but not in pain and you won't be able to see him.  You can still talk to him and he can still get messages to you sometimes if you pay attention.  But I know nothing makes it easier to lose them from this world.     {{{Mrs. Red}}}  Glad you're back though.  We noticed you weren't around and missed you.

[Anna]

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So? They're still just pics uploaded to webshots, just tourist photos of events participated in. Absolutely nothing showing porn video capablility.

Oh, so if stills were used, that changes everything?  No, it doesn't.  Same thing, only not moving.

This is proof that they have taken pornographic photos in the past.  There was more to that photo than is shown here, you know.

Not only are they capable of taking some sort of porn, they have done so in the past and this is the proof.  This was a full body shot before editing for posting on this forum.

Porn does not have to be a video to still be porn.  It is the porn about which some of us have an interest, not the medium nor how fast or slow it might be transmitted.

If Joran's connection speed was anything like as slow as you claim, how on earth did he even download much less watch two porn movies?  He would have been still downloading when the school bus ran the next morning.  

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[crazybabyborg]

Thank you for the offer Crazybabyborg but I am going to remain imageless.  Don't really post often so it shouldn't ruin the pages.

Enjoying everybody else's avator's you all look beautiful.

Merry Christmas, Altruist! You too, are beautiful!

[ala_gunslinger]

Mrs. Red:  I pray your dad will improve.  Trust God.

Florida, We need more information on Loco Steph.

Klass, You're still an Eagle!

Merry Christmas ya'll!!

Hi Gunslinger - how are you?

Hi Klass!  I'm above room temerature, so I can not complain.  I'll have a short video for ya soon.  We tested our 1st 6" mortar shell last night!  Looks like New years will literally be a blast!!!!