Natalee Case Discussion #747 4/11 - 4/17/08

[Tamikosmom]

My 70 pound puppy has a stuffed toy duck that looks exactly like
Janet's Ducky....and it quacks  It is a big toy, but it is his favortie
thing and he takes it everywhere.
We went to get gas for the lawnmower the other day and I came
out of the gas station and there was a group of 4 people gathered
around my car making pictures with their cell phones.
I was a little concerned until I saw, Hudson, the 70 pound puppy,
sitting behind the steering wheel with his Ducky.......
the feet hanging out one side of his mouth and the head hanging out the other.

 

[Destiny]

Just wanted to say DESTINY you're a hoot.

Oh...gosh...I hope that's a good thing Kermie...

[Rob]

Kerm, I don't think Carpe is having much luck locating the video you have requested. I emailed him early this morning to follow-up and haven't heard back yet.

[Tamikosmom]

Quaker the quacker????

My mistake ... typing error.  The names of our pet duck and gander were ... Quacker and Waddles.

If it had not been for our two eldest kids' attachment to these birds ... I think they would have been gone within a week after we agree to take them from neighbours who were moving.

They are so noisy ... so messy and ... at the time we had two beagles that we had to protect these birds from.  What was so ironic ... the two birds had the run of the property ... they never took off.  The beagles where in a fenced in area.

Janet

[SS]

CAPS says that Duary is a house name.  Could this be our Daury Daniel Rodriguez? 

Here are some important miscellaneous details pertaining to the 2007 Chicago No-Limit Poker Grand Championship:

1) The players eligible for the Grand Championship are:
Ahmad Ahmad, Nate Beal, James Choi, Don Crosbie, Bret Dale, Matthew Dex, Iwona Filuciak, Joe Fitzgerald, Brian Fons, merri Furlong, Jared Gunn, Chris Heina, Matt Hollinger, Rebecca Hollinger, Ritta Jilwaya, Jim Kasmer, Milton Kwan, Chris Lackore, Jennifer Lewkowicz, Maverick Marquee, Tony Matthews, Diana Migala, Erion Postoli, Fabian Ramos, Daniel Rodriguez, John rogers, Joe Rondon, Ken Rubio, Edgar Sandoval, Larry Shaw, James Sodergren, Yoel SOmmer, Chris Turner, Rob Vinson, and Neville White.

http://poker.meetup.com/13/messages/boards/thread/2362474

This is his photograph from the 2007 Chicago poker group.  It looks like he is now inactive because he hasn't been there for over 12 months.
http://poker.meetup.com/13/members/3199763/

[WhiskeyGirl]

When will Joran tell the truth?  What if he has told the truth and those around him continue to insist he lies?  How will he ever change his life for the better?

If Joran has told the truth, will Daury ever come forward with the words that will return Natalee Holloway to her family?

[Tamikosmom]

CAPS says that Duary is a house name.  Could this be our Daury Daniel Rodriguez? 

Here are some important miscellaneous details pertaining to the 2007 Chicago No-Limit Poker Grand Championship:

1) The players eligible for the Grand Championship are:
Ahmad Ahmad, Nate Beal, James Choi, Don Crosbie, Bret Dale, Matthew Dex, Iwona Filuciak, Joe Fitzgerald, Brian Fons, merri Furlong, Jared Gunn, Chris Heina, Matt Hollinger, Rebecca Hollinger, Ritta Jilwaya, Jim Kasmer, Milton Kwan, Chris Lackore, Jennifer Lewkowicz, Maverick Marquee, Tony Matthews, Diana Migala, Erion Postoli, Fabian Ramos, Daniel Rodriguez, John rogers, Joe Rondon, Ken Rubio, Edgar Sandoval, Larry Shaw, James Sodergren, Yoel SOmmer, Chris Turner, Rob Vinson, and Neville White.

http://poker.meetup.com/13/messages/boards/thread/2362474

This is his photograph from the 2007 Chicago poker group.  It looks like he is now inactive because he hasn't been there for over 12 months.
http://poker.meetup.com/13/members/3199763/

 


I find it strange that a Daury Daniel Rodriguez was booked into the jail but ... Daury was not in italics.  According to the website where hotping obtain the arrest information ... alias are to be italicized.  This leads me to believe the Daury is a given name.

IMO.

Janet

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Quote from: hotping on April 11, 2008, 12:46:17 AM

Here is a Daury in NJ

VINE Service Number: (877) 846-3465    Return to Search Results 
Offender Details
Offender Record
Offender ID: 0900280301 Offender Name: DAURY DANIEL RODRIGUEZ Date of Birth: 06/28/1986 Age: 21 Custody Status: In Custody Location of Offender: Hudson County Jail Race: Hispanic Gender: Male

www.vinelink.com

Agency Description:Hudson County Jail Address 1:595 Newark Ave. Address 2:City:Jersey City State/Province:NJ Zip Code:07306 County:Hudson Phone:(973) 491-5794

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372845#msg372845

[klaasend]

CAPS says that Duary is a house name.  Could this be our Daury Daniel Rodriguez? 

Here are some important miscellaneous details pertaining to the 2007 Chicago No-Limit Poker Grand Championship:

1) The players eligible for the Grand Championship are:
Ahmad Ahmad, Nate Beal, James Choi, Don Crosbie, Bret Dale, Matthew Dex, Iwona Filuciak, Joe Fitzgerald, Brian Fons, merri Furlong, Jared Gunn, Chris Heina, Matt Hollinger, Rebecca Hollinger, Ritta Jilwaya, Jim Kasmer, Milton Kwan, Chris Lackore, Jennifer Lewkowicz, Maverick Marquee, Tony Matthews, Diana Migala, Erion Postoli, Fabian Ramos, Daniel Rodriguez, John rogers, Joe Rondon, Ken Rubio, Edgar Sandoval, Larry Shaw, James Sodergren, Yoel SOmmer, Chris Turner, Rob Vinson, and Neville White.

http://poker.meetup.com/13/messages/boards/thread/2362474

This is his photograph from the 2007 Chicago poker group.  It looks like he is now inactive because he hasn't been there for over 12 months.
http://poker.meetup.com/13/members/3199763/

 


I find it strange that a Daury Daniel Rodriguez was booked into the jail but ... Daury was not in italics.  According to the website where hotping obtain the arrest information ... alias are to be italicized.  This leads me to believe the Daury is a given name.

IMO.

Janet

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Quote from: hotping on April 11, 2008, 12:46:17 AM

Here is a Daury in NJ

VINE Service Number: (877) 846-3465    Return to Search Results 
Offender Details
Offender Record
Offender ID: 0900280301 Offender Name: DAURY DANIEL RODRIGUEZ Date of Birth: 06/28/1986 Age: 21 Custody Status: In Custody Location of Offender: Hudson County Jail Race: Hispanic Gender: Male

www.vinelink.com

Agency Description:Hudson County Jail Address 1:595 Newark Ave. Address 2:City:Jersey City State/Province:NJ Zip Code:07306 County:Hudson Phone:(973) 491-5794

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372845#msg372845

Janet  - I agree.  Looks like Capslock's source could be wrong about Daury's name. 

[WhiskeyGirl]

On a previous thread, someone asked about a problem with another board.  My words may get me in trouble, but I will share them -

I think there are problems with every forum and board.  There is no such thing as a perfect board or forum.  Some have bigger issues than others, none are perfect.  There are no perfect words, no perfect lies.

There was a phrase going around early in this case, something about a rope of three cords is hard to break.  I see three forums/boards that seem to keep Natalee Holloway from being forgotten, they include Scared Monkeys, BFN, and RU. 

All of these cords is very organic, with many threads (like Freebirds, FOB2, and other secret hidey holes).

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I also think that Tamikosmom and others are really the biggest supporters of J2K and Aruba.  Without someone to keep track of the words and pictures, Natalee might have been old news by now.  These are good people that seem to know (from what I've read) that it is often easier to avert your eyes to something that is wrong, than it is to do the right thing.  It is harder (as a parent too) to stand tall and do the right thing.  It is often harder to teach some lessons to children than others. 

Who will learn if there are no teachers?

[Destiny]

On a previous thread, someone asked about a problem with another board.  My words may get me in trouble, but I will share them -

I think there are problems with every forum and board.  There is no such thing as a perfect board or forum.  Some have bigger issues than others, none are perfect.  There are no perfect words, no perfect lies.

There was a phrase going around early in this case, something about a rope of three cords is hard to break.  I see three forums/boards that seem to keep Natalee Holloway from being forgotten, they include Scared Monkeys, BFN, and RU. 

All of these cords is very organic, with many threads (like Freebirds, FOB2, and other secret hidey holes).

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I also think that Tamikosmom and others are really the biggest supporters of J2K and Aruba.  Without someone to keep track of the words and pictures, Natalee might have been old news by now.  These are good people that seem to know (from what I've read) that it is often easier to avert your eyes to something that is wrong, than it is to do the right thing.  It is harder (as a parent too) to stand tall and do the right thing.  It is often harder to teach some lessons to children than others. 

Who will learn if there are no teachers?

[/color]

I'm sorry...maybe not enough coffee yet...but, I don't understand this part...in red...could you please explain it better for me....TIA

Destiny

[jackb]

I grabbed the shot from the Diario and blew it up to 200 % and cropped it. I would guess this is a fabric or net. No way to really tell.

I did some mor work on it and it is fabric from what appears to be NH clothes.
jackb

[jackb]

CAPS says that Duary is a house name.  Could this be our Daury Daniel Rodriguez? 

Here are some important miscellaneous details pertaining to the 2007 Chicago No-Limit Poker Grand Championship:

1) The players eligible for the Grand Championship are:
Ahmad Ahmad, Nate Beal, James Choi, Don Crosbie, Bret Dale, Matthew Dex, Iwona Filuciak, Joe Fitzgerald, Brian Fons, merri Furlong, Jared Gunn, Chris Heina, Matt Hollinger, Rebecca Hollinger, Ritta Jilwaya, Jim Kasmer, Milton Kwan, Chris Lackore, Jennifer Lewkowicz, Maverick Marquee, Tony Matthews, Diana Migala, Erion Postoli, Fabian Ramos, Daniel Rodriguez, John rogers, Joe Rondon, Ken Rubio, Edgar Sandoval, Larry Shaw, James Sodergren, Yoel SOmmer, Chris Turner, Rob Vinson, and Neville White.

http://poker.meetup.com/13/messages/boards/thread/2362474

This is his photograph from the 2007 Chicago poker group.  It looks like he is now inactive because he hasn't been there for over 12 months.
http://poker.meetup.com/13/members/3199763/

He looks like he would be the nicest kid.  Maybe that is why he gets away with things.  j/b

[Tamikosmom]

The cage segment of the Dateline special has been discussed extensively by Monkeys but ... there was another segment of that special that has been ignored ... a segment which I have been unable to shake.

As I adhere to the landfill theory ... I do not believe that Natalee's remains were disposed of until the first week of June.

If Natalee's remains were taken out to sea ... it makes sense that somebody was paid to make sure that the disposal was far enough away from Aruba to ensure the sea would never reveal its secret.

Janet

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The search for Natalee Holloway
Dateline - NBC
February 22, 2008

This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.

It happened last month, when Natalee’s father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body.

Dave Holloway: He said, "I’d done some wrongs in my past," and he said, "This is my way of making all of my wrongs and all of my sins and doing something right."

Dave was skeptical, but the phone and e-mail messages continued.

In them was a wild tale involving drug runners who said that on the night Natalee disappeared someone had paid them to take her body and dump it at sea.

They agreed but instead they took her remains with them to Nicaragua and hid them on a remote strip of the Atlantic coast.

Dave Holloway: It was a little bit far-fetched for me.

Chris Hansen: What did he want in return?

Dave Holloway: He told us he didn't want anything. And that is what part I started believing in this guy. I said we've got a reward out here.

In January, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting...and to Miller's surprise, Marcos showed up.

Marcos: I didn't live an, um, exemplary life. I did a lot of wrong things and maybe this is just one way of trying to even up the, the score a little bit.

Marcos wouldn't allow his face to appear on camera, but he agreed to talk to Miller and even officials from the US embassy.

Chris Hansen: And what was the person from the embassy's take?

Tim Miller: The person from the embassy said, "You know what? I think we may have something here."

Together, Miller and Marcos came up with a plan: Marcos would take a GPS receiver to the location and leave it there. Miller, accompanied by local officials would follow the signal to the location and begin to dig.

The next morning Miller's phone rang. It was Marcos. The search, he said, had been a success. But there had been a change in plans. He had the body and would bring it to them in Managua.

Marcos: Tonight before the sun is up, we will be in Managua.

Tim Miller: He says that she was wrapped in a blanket and her body fell apart. He said, "but we had to put her in two ice chests." And he actually said, "call Mr. Holloway right now and tell him I’ve got Natalee."

Chris Hansen: So what do you do?

Tim Miller: I did not call Dave Holloway to say I have the body.

Chris Hansen: You've been down that road before.

Tim Miller: I’ve been down that road before.

Chris Hansen: Did you believe him?

Tim Miller: This time, I believed him.

But after waiting all night for Marcos to appear at the arranged location -- nothing.

Marcos never appeared again and Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are convinced Marcos pulled off an incredibly cruel hoax.

Dave Holloway: How would somebody stoop so low to do something like this?

Chris Hansen: How hurtful is that, when somebody does that to you?

Dave Holloway: Very hurtful. In fact, that was -- it's a wonders I’ve not had a major heart attack and died, you know.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
April 24, 2006

GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night?

HOLLOWAY: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

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I also think that Tamikosmom and others are really the biggest supporters of J2K and Aruba.  Without someone to keep track of the words and pictures, Natalee might have been old news by now.  These are good people that seem to know (from what I've read) that it is often easier to avert your eyes to something that is wrong, than it is to do the right thing.  It is harder (as a parent too) to stand tall and do the right thing.  It is often harder to teach some lessons to children than others. 

Who will learn if there are no teachers?

Thanks ... I think.

 

Janet

[SS]

Janet,

I am also absolutely haunted by the Marcos story.  Dave would not have been so involved with it, if he too didn't think that there was something valid to it.

[Tamikosmom]

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I also think that Tamikosmom and others are really the biggest supporters of J2K and Aruba.  Without someone to keep track of the words and pictures, Natalee might have been old news by now.  These are good people that seem to know (from what I've read) that it is often easier to avert your eyes to something that is wrong, than it is to do the right thing.  It is harder (as a parent too) to stand tall and do the right thing.  It is often harder to teach some lessons to children than others. 

Who will learn if there are no teachers?

Thanks ... I think.

 

Janet

WhiskeyGirl .... my objective has to be Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus and Aruba's bigging nightmare.

 

Off to a movie ... Nim's Island ... with grandsons (9/10) with my longtime friend/neighbour and her grandaughter (.

Have a good afternoon Monkeys.

Janet
11:45 AM

[MumInOhio]

Tamikosmom...would you happen to have any idea on the time-frame that Ooman was Deepak Kalpoe's lawyer?

Google is not co-operating with me this afternoon....TIA

[wreck]

Janet,

I am also absolutely haunted by the Marcos story.  Dave would not have been so involved with it, if he too didn't think that there was something valid to it.

Every single time we get "close" to the truth, another "diversion" story pops up. The "Marcos" story was right in the midst of The Persistence finding the cage. I tend to think it means the "cage" story is where we need to focus. MOO

[jackb]

Hi Klaas and Monks...

I'm not totally sure what the whole Tunnel ofDrugs Love is all about - what else is new????

I do see they called the polis and the jackasses never showed up... typical... and wishing for ATYPICAL.

Rob there are other things in that pic beside the cloth.  I remember the tunnel of love site that was searched and they said they found nothing of interest the best I can remember or something of someone elses.  It was one burial site, I am inclined to believe.   jack/b

[jackb]

another photo

Do the cloth part like that and the other side of the board with the tools.  You will plainly see what I am talking about.  j/b