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« Reply #200 on: April 13, 2008, 10:29:25 AM »

Joran is in Den Dolder  ,centre of holland

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.320

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« Reply #201 on: April 13, 2008, 10:30:48 AM »

Johan - I love what you did with his hair 
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« Reply #202 on: April 13, 2008, 10:32:40 AM »

Joran is in Den Dolder  ,centre of holland

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I would think that Joran would have had his hair done before having his pic taken
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« Reply #203 on: April 13, 2008, 10:33:24 AM »

Johan's is after 5 years, mine is after 30 years:

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« Reply #204 on: April 13, 2008, 10:43:05 AM »

For Glenda and luvslalom at RU:


Glenda wrote:

He was there on the same day as CC and others who are also not on the Dr. Phil list. Guess they weren't interested as it wouldn't be in their best interest to include these docs in the case with the Kalpoes.


Dr. Phil filed broad interrogatories requesting info from the Kalpoes.  The listed documents are the Kalpoes response to the request.  Dr. Phil did not control the list.  Either Kalpoes  do not have "Eric Williams'" statement (from Sept? 2005), possibly because it would only be found in Joran's case file, or they didn't submit it (against the discovery rules) in the response to the interrogatory.
Please read the original document before you post erroneous info.

In LOVING NATALEE ... which was released in October, 2007 ... Beth Holloways words imply that she is still not aware that Aruban authorities every took a witness statement from Eric Williams ... the DEA agent who never left their side from the moment they met him at the Holiday Inn following their arrival on the Island at 11:00 AM on May 30, 2005 and ... 6:00 AM the following morning.

However ... on January 28, 2008 ... Jug Twitty did inform the SM Natalee Forum that the FBI did take Eric Williams's statement.

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7) Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


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Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

 
Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report'
October 12, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... the DEA witness, Eric Williams, was not given—was not—did not give a statement regarding the incident that occurred May 31 where Joran is again, admitting these sexual assaults committed against Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9679791/


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TWITTY: We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


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TWITTY: … And I find out two days ago that the Aruban authorities never took this man's (DEA) statement. Beth and I are going, It's unbelievable.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html
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« Reply #205 on: April 13, 2008, 10:49:36 AM »

Anyone know where Joran is?

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html

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« Reply #757 on: April 03, 2008, 12:11:21 PM »

Entire Families Van der Sloot summoned

He has been held under treatment at the psychiatric institute in Altrecht.  On an open devision in Den Dolder he gets therapy for people who are stuck in everyday like "and are suffering from behavioral and psychiatric problems."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2745.msg370419#msg370419
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« Reply #206 on: April 13, 2008, 11:12:31 AM »

For Glenda and luvslalom at RU:


Glenda wrote:

He was there on the same day as CC and others who are also not on the Dr. Phil list. Guess they weren't interested as it wouldn't be in their best interest to include these docs in the case with the Kalpoes.


Dr. Phil filed broad interrogatories requesting info from the Kalpoes.  The listed documents are the Kalpoes response to the request.  Dr. Phil did not control the list.  Either Kalpoes  do not have "Eric Williams'" statement (from Sept? 2005), possibly because it would only be found in Joran's case file, or they didn't submit it (against the discovery rules) in the response to the interrogatory.
Please read the original document before you post erroneous info.

In LOVING NATALEE ... which was released in October, 2007 ... Beth Holloways words imply that she is still not aware that Aruban authorities every took a witness statement from Eric Williams ... the DEA agent who never left their side from the moment they met him at the Holiday Inn following their arrival on the Island at 11:00 AM on May 30, 2005 and ... 6:00 AM the following morning.

However ... on January 28, 2008 ... Jug Twitty did inform the SM Natalee Forum that the FBI did take Eric Williams's statement.

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7) Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


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LOVING NATALEE
Page 157


Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

 
Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report'
October 12, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... the DEA witness, Eric Williams, was not given—was not—did not give a statement regarding the incident that occurred May 31 where Joran is again, admitting these sexual assaults committed against Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9679791/


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TWITTY: We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


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July 19, 2005


TWITTY: … And I find out two days ago that the Aruban authorities never took this man's (DEA) statement. Beth and I are going, It's unbelievable.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html


Glenda claims he gave a statement Sept. 3, 2005 (the same day the suspects were released IIRC).  It very well could be that he gave his statement to the FBI because the Arubans didn't want it on record....or maybe he knew enough about the situation that he didn't think it best to deal with the ALE.  Joran said, in his book, that Williams took him aside and he told him his "story", the first night.

At any rate, it was not Phil that decided to include or exclude material from a Kalpoe submitted document list.

 
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« Reply #207 on: April 13, 2008, 11:15:10 AM »

Johan's is after 5 years, mine is after 30 years:


LMAO!
And yet his legs are still all sporty looking....lol...love what you and Johan did with these pics.

 
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« Reply #208 on: April 13, 2008, 11:15:39 AM »

you can see the pics  of the psychiatric institute in Altrecht here :

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.320

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« Reply #209 on: April 13, 2008, 11:19:56 AM »

For Glenda and luvslalom at RU:


Glenda wrote:

He was there on the same day as CC and others who are also not on the Dr. Phil list. Guess they weren't interested as it wouldn't be in their best interest to include these docs in the case with the Kalpoes.


Dr. Phil filed broad interrogatories requesting info from the Kalpoes.  The listed documents are the Kalpoes response to the request.  Dr. Phil did not control the list.  Either Kalpoes  do not have "Eric Williams'" statement (from Sept? 2005), possibly because it would only be found in Joran's case file, or they didn't submit it (against the discovery rules) in the response to the interrogatory.
Please read the original document before you post erroneous info.

In LOVING NATALEE ... which was released in October, 2007 ... Beth Holloways words imply that she is still not aware that Aruban authorities every took a witness statement from Eric Williams ... the DEA agent who never left their side from the moment they met him at the Holiday Inn following their arrival on the Island at 11:00 AM on May 30, 2005 and ... 6:00 AM the following morning.

However ... on January 28, 2008 ... Jug Twitty did inform the SM Natalee Forum that the FBI did take Eric Williams's statement.

Janet

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7) Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 157


Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

 
Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report'
October 12, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... the DEA witness, Eric Williams, was not given—was not—did not give a statement regarding the incident that occurred May 31 where Joran is again, admitting these sexual assaults committed against Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9679791/


Beth Twitty
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September 14, 2005


TWITTY: We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


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July 19, 2005


TWITTY: … And I find out two days ago that the Aruban authorities never took this man's (DEA) statement. Beth and I are going, It's unbelievable.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html

Right,aruban authorities never took the DEA agent's statement but the FBI did.Actually,that wasn't even the question asked of Jug.Someone asked Jug if they ever saw the DEA agents ID right?
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« Reply #210 on: April 13, 2008, 11:40:40 AM »

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« Reply #211 on: April 13, 2008, 11:53:02 AM »

Good Morning Destiny ... Good Morning Monkeys

I am having a lazy Sunday Morning ... going to the later service.

I am sitting here in front of the computer in my flannel nighty ... bed head hair ... sipping on a cuppa coffee.  Definitely not a pretty sight.

 

I hope you all have a good day.

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« Reply #212 on: April 13, 2008, 12:01:47 PM »

Intersting *snippit* from the *visit aruba * *safety in aruba* forum.....especially the post from a Charles Croes regarding the charter boat that was busted...old news...but still intersting...

    
   

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Old Thursday, June 14th, 2007, 06:28 PM
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Today, a big charter fishing boat was being searched by the police and a canine officer and canine comanion. Later I found out they found 7 grams of cocaine aboard and the boat was confiscated, no news on who may have been arrested...

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7 grams? do you have the amount wrong? do you mean 7 kilograms?

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Today, a big charter fishing boat was being searched by the police and a canine officer and canine comanion. Later I found out they found 7 grams of cocaine aboard and the boat was confiscated, no news on who may have been arrested...

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Agree, 7 grams is not a big bust by any means. 7 Kilos is sizable but
only has a street value of about $56,000. If it was 7 tons, now your
talking about some serious cash. I would be curious to see what you
find out later. I'm sure it was exciting to watch.
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Yes, sorry for the typo/erro! It comes from being citizen of a large world power that refueses to embrace the metric system!! Anyway it was on the Aruba news tonight but as it was in Spanish I didn't take in too much other then the boat's name was "Obsession" which may be appropriate!
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Great news!

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Wouldn't you hate to have put down a deposit for a fishing trip this weekend and show up only to find the boat gone and the crew in jail!

Major bummer!
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From what I could make out from Diario it looks like the boat was tracked by radar heading from Venezuela and they seized 70 kilos.

When we were there in March we watched as the police helicopter hovered over the water towards the Westin/Wyndham end of Palm Beach. There was a boat heading towards shore.


When a fishing boat departs on a fishing epedition, it's not always fish they're looking for. It happens along the FLA often. A mother ship drops bales of drugs off into the water a a give location and then a second boat comes along to catch what was left behind.
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From what I could make out from Diario it looks like the boat was tracked by radar heading from Venezuela and they seized 70 kilos.

When we were there in March we watched as the police helicopter hovered over the water towards the Westin/Wyndham end of Palm Beach. There was a boat heading towards shore.


When a fishing boat departs on a fishing epedition, it's not always fish they're looking for. It happens along the FLA often. A mother ship drops bales of drugs off into the water a a give location and then a second boat comes along to catch what was left behind.
Back in the late 70's early 80's people I knew from High School that went to school in Florida used to go to the shore line every morning at sunrise looking for the bundles that "got away"!! I understand they used to dump the bundles in the water cause they can't come too close to shore and then other boats would pick them up or they would get dropped by small private planes!
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From what I could make out from Diario it looks like the boat was tracked by radar heading from Venezuela and they seized 70 kilos.
Wow, we went from 7 grams to 7 Kg to 70 kilos. This is getting more exciting by the minute. My wife and happened to be channel surfing last night and saw the news on the Aruba network news but it was in Spanish but the scene of the guy getting on the boat to search it with the dog was taken when I was there but I don't remember seeing the news crew.

I have never been a drug user, even in college, too expensive and what I did try gave me a headache. I really don't care what people want to try for home consumption but 70 kilos causes a lot of heartache on the streets in the long run. Take the boat out with the owners or crew that did the deed and have the Aruban Navy do bombing practice!
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Been watching your post and thought I would interject the following:

    * The "OBSESSIONS" is one of the better fishing charter boats on the island. There are others to choose from but she is a good one.
    * Ownership of the vessel was not on board and all indications point to this being something that was comitted by one of the crew (unfortunately a family member) that worked on the vessel and had the ownerships' total confidence.
    * Ownership and the rest off the family are practically destroyed over this entire mess and are cooperating in every manner to come to a resolve that carries out justice (family member or not) and that works towards being an example that this type of life style does not pay.
    * "Paris-Hilton-Justice" is not being sought - quite the oposite.
    * Lastly, the growth of a shipment from 7 grams to 70 kilos is not something we should get more exited about by the minute - unless you are reading the "Enquirerer" or "National Lampoon". Better would be to follow the expample of the family that owns the vessel and be sick with what could have been the consequences, which are that this shippment could have gotten to its final destination - the end user, mostly kids and mostly non-residents.

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« Reply #213 on: April 13, 2008, 12:16:01 PM »

you can see the pics  of the psychiatric institute in Altrecht here :

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.320

i was there last week 

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« Reply #214 on: April 13, 2008, 12:25:05 PM »







it was 70 kilos.
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it was 70 kilos.

Thank You for the Photos Rob! Now...I wonder just who was the Family member of the owner of the boat...that was transporting the 70 kilos...
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« Reply #216 on: April 13, 2008, 12:33:20 PM »

Hi Des, I literally hate Charles Croes. What a flaming A hole. That guy has an excuse for everything that occurs of that crappy island.  Most likely non-residents?... huh??? well, then who did it Charles?

Most likely kids??? huh??? well, maybe Daury Rodriguez or Joran... but what kid organizes a 70 kilo buy? Stooopid Charles Stooopid!!!

and right Des, who is "letting" someone borrow their livelihood? That makes no sense. Just shows the mental conniptions Charles Croes has to use to get his bent and warped mind all around that one. What a loser. He belongs on Aruba.

what was the question again???? LOL  . . . . just kidding!!!
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« Reply #218 on: April 13, 2008, 12:39:53 PM »

Hi Des, I literally hate Charles Croes. What a flaming A hole. That guy has an excuse for everything that occurs of that crappy island.  Most likely non-residents?... huh??? well, then who did it Charles?

Most likely kids??? huh??? well, maybe Daury Rodriguez or Joran... but what kid organizes a 70 kilo buy? Stooopid Charles Stooopid!!!

and right Des, who is "letting" someone borrow their livelihood? That makes no sense. Just shows the mental conniptions Charles Croes has to use to get his bent and warped mind all around that one. What a loser. He belongs on Aruba.

what was the question again???? LOL  . . . . just kidding!!!

Rob...I also find this part of his post...as an almost...*vieled threat*...just seemed strange to me...

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Be well
charles
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« Reply #219 on: April 13, 2008, 12:43:56 PM »

Hi Des, I literally hate Charles Croes. What a flaming A hole. That guy has an excuse for everything that occurs of that crappy island.  Most likely non-residents?... huh??? well, then who did it Charles?

Most likely kids??? huh??? well, maybe Daury Rodriguez or Joran... but what kid organizes a 70 kilo buy? Stooopid Charles Stooopid!!!

and right Des, who is "letting" someone borrow their livelihood? That makes no sense. Just shows the mental conniptions Charles Croes has to use to get his bent and warped mind all around that one. What a loser. He belongs on Aruba.

what was the question again???? LOL  . . . . just kidding!!!

Rob...I also find this part of his post...as an almost...*vieled threat*...just seemed strange to me...

CHRIS - Words are like arrows: Once shot into the air, they are irretrievable and while they make take the initital path you set for them, words are greatly guided by the wind - and the wind is invisible isn't it?.


Be well
charles


I'm not married, but if I were and he said what he said to Beth to my wife... I would have stuffed him in a fish trap and thrown him in the sea. All of that is predicated on the fact that my friends didn't kill him first.

and his statement seems to elevate him over the "common" poster on Al Gore's internet and he places himself on a pedestal where everyone can look up his Cindy Brady tu-tu and see his pink panties.
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