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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 - 1/3/09 (Read 231487 times)
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Keepthefaith
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #600 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:05:04 PM »
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
How did he(Silvetti) come to that conclusion?
How did he eliminate Natalee as a possibilty when Kyle thought differently???
How did Silvetti come to the conclusion it wasn't Natalee?
Care to answer lisa???
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truthseeker2
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #601 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:06:14 PM »
Quote from: billb on January 02, 2009, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on January 02, 2009, 10:50:08 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:48:22 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:46:05 PM
Quote from: San on January 02, 2009, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on January 02, 2009, 10:21:58 PM
I am going to venture into this little thing here. (gosh, I hope I don't regret it)
What I understand ldstlou to be saying here is that there was a protocol on the ship where things were turned over to the FBI as they were developed and Kyle was not the one on the ship that was assigned to do that.
Am I right, ldstlou?
that is my understanding
So what you are saying is that the FBI was there on the ship the entire time including January 7th and they saw the pictures.
So if they saw these pictures what is the big deal.
Is it because Kyle released information he should not have.
I am not sure what you are asking me? What is the big deal to me?
Surely you aren't trying to tell us the FBI was physically aboard the Persistence on Dec. 29th to Jan 7th?!?
Well, they wouldn't have to be onboard to receive the data. It's quite easy to encrypt and transmit data.
This sure seems to be going in a circle and I'll be darned as to the reason why....
But, as stated, FBI didn't have to be onboard to receive the ROV videos, so why wasn't the ROV videos encrypted and transmitted the day they were made? I'm sure the FBI would not set up a protocol that only insisted screen captures were sent daily without covering or excluding videos....That wouldn't make any sense....
Kyle pretty much painted the picture that he knew the ROV video was not sent to FBI or family. He stated he was trying to strike a deal for financial gains....When Freebirds discovered that Kyle had not sent the ROV video in September 2008 they cut ties with him on advice of legal consul....Kermit exposed it along with help from Freebirds....
Pretty clear to me.....
From what I understood in the earlier posts, it was not Kyle's function to do that. He had things he provided as assigned and the ROV images were assigned to someone else to provide. My question earlier was, if it wasn't assigned to him to do, how would Kyle know if it was done or not?
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ldstlou
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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January 02, 2009, 11:06:46 PM »
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:59:08 PM
I think we need Kermit, Jen, or wingnut to come back and re-state the timelines as they know it.
I think we need Tim Miller to explain it to us.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
How did he(Silvetti) come to that conclusion?
How did he eliminate Natalee as a possibilty when Kyle thought differently???
How did Silvetti come to the conclusion it wasn't Natalee?
Care to answer lisa???
I have been bashed and had hostile questions thrown at me for over a month now...and you wonder why I am so sarcastic at this point..so no..I won't answer questions that are thrown at me with sarcasm.
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billb's daughter
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #604 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:09:40 PM »
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:59:08 PM
I think we need Kermit, Jen, or wingnut to come back and re-state the timelines as they know it.
I think we need Tim Miller to explain it to us.
Tim Miller was not on the persistence when the ROV video was taken on jan 7...John S. put him off the ship on Dec 30th....
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Keepthefaith
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #605 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:10:16 PM »
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
How did he(Silvetti) come to that conclusion?
How did he eliminate Natalee as a possibilty when Kyle thought differently???
How did Silvetti come to the conclusion it wasn't Natalee?
Care to answer lisa???
I have been bashed and had hostile questions thrown at me for over a month now...and you wonder why I am so sarcastic at this point..so no..I won't answer questions that are thrown at me with sarcasm.
I wouldn't answer that as well!You said it not me!How would Silvetti come to such a conclusion??
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #606 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:10:37 PM »
John Silvetti and Louis Schaeffer were being ripped apart by RU long before anything was posted here at SM about either one.
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Anna
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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January 02, 2009, 11:11:21 PM »
Quantico is a Marine Corp Base that houses among other things the FBI academy.
So were these agents onboard from the regular FBI which is in Washington, DC, or from Bardados? There are some lab facilities at Quantico but the forensic samples in the plastic bags were only in the ALE dive boat was my understanding from Kyle's posts.
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ldstlou
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #608 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:11:52 PM »
Quote from: billb on January 02, 2009, 11:09:40 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:59:08 PM
I think we need Kermit, Jen, or wingnut to come back and re-state the timelines as they know it.
I think we need Tim Miller to explain it to us.
Tim Miller was not on the persistence when the ROV video was taken on jan 7...John S. put him off the ship on Dec 30th....
No but I am sure Tim could answer if the FBI were involved. I am sure he could answer what the protocol was in turning over footage. I am sure he could answer if he was removed from the Persistence. I am sure he could answer if he felt John Silvetti was involved in a cover-up with the FBI. I think those answers would go a long way right now.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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January 02, 2009, 11:11:57 PM »
If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?
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Keepthefaith
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #610 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:13:30 PM »
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:10:16 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
How did he(Silvetti) come to that conclusion?
How did he eliminate Natalee as a possibilty when Kyle thought differently???
How did Silvetti come to the conclusion it wasn't Natalee?
Care to answer lisa???
I have been bashed and had hostile questions thrown at me for over a month now...and you wonder why I am so sarcastic at this point..so no..I won't answer questions that are thrown at me with sarcasm.
I wouldn't answer that as well!You said it not me!How would Silvetti come to such a conclusion??
The person with the most expertise in coming to that conclusion was Tim Miller and what happened to him?He was asked to leave the ship per Kyle's word's.How can you come to such a conclusion without any experience to do so?I'm done...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #611 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:13:53 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were
eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time.
I always thought they left abruptly because of the Chavez issues.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?
Bingo!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?
And that is my question
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?
Money,money,money..That's what i believe!JMOO
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #615 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:16:20 PM »
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:11:52 PM
Quote from: billb on January 02, 2009, 11:09:40 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:59:08 PM
I think we need Kermit, Jen, or wingnut to come back and re-state the timelines as they know it.
I think we need Tim Miller to explain it to us.
Tim Miller was not on the persistence when the ROV video was taken on jan 7...John S. put him off the ship on Dec 30th....
No but I am sure Tim could answer if the FBI were involved. I am sure he could answer what the protocol was in turning over footage. I am sure he could answer if he was removed from the Persistence. I am sure he could answer if he felt John Silvetti was involved in a cover-up with the FBI. I think those answers would go a long way right now.
Tim Miller would have absolutely no way of knowing if "protocol" was followed or not. And most especially in his complete absence from the Persistence.
Kyle was the one who raised the questions so I don't understand now why he is so upset.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #616 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:16:40 PM »
Quote from: iris44 on January 02, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were
eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time.
I always thought they left abruptly because of the
Chavez issues.
Did everyone evacuate Aruba due to the Chavez issues? Did tourists stop going? Did tourists stop going on Snorkle trips, fishing trips, windsurfing, etc?. Why would the Persistence leave because of some chest pounding by Chavez?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #617 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:16:52 PM »
Quote from: iris44 on January 02, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were
eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time.
I always thought they left abruptly because of the Chavez issues.
The very last thing the Persistence crew did was survey the pond at John S. instruction.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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January 02, 2009, 11:16:55 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:14:52 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?
And that is my question
Guess we will not get that answer. Seems they are gone again.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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I've said my peace. I have explained over and over why I am "defending Kyle"and the embers of the Persistence. I have had all my questions answered by Jug and Kyle and taken a hell of a lot of heat for sharing my opinions. Again, I think Tim Miller could answer a lot of these questions and his word would be trusted.
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===> Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah
===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
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=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
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===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
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=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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=> Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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