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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 - 1/3/09 (Read 231488 times)
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Keepthefaith
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #640 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:28:39 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:26:13 PM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2009/januari/02/pvv-er-brinkman-uit-zijn-kritiek-op-zaak-holloway
Brinkman PVV'er from his criticism of Holloway case Published: 03 January 2009 05:00, last updated: 02 January 2009 21:43
by Dick Hofland
PVV-MP Hero Brinkman. | Nederlands Dagblad photo / Jaco Klamer
-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
THE HAGUE - The Holloway case in terms of PVV MP Hero Brinkman-to carelessly examined. During the visit of a delegation he dives in the case, but he also criticized the new management structure in the Antilles.
MP Hero Brinkman of the PVV appears next week in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case. During the visit of a parliamentary delegation to the West, he speaks in the Advocate of the missing American teenager, several policemen and some former members of the Public Ministry. ,, The research is so fucked up.''
What can you do what Peter R. de Vries can not?
,, I wish that the case was a cover it. Because that likely to happen now. Peter R. de Vries has updated me about everything and I've read about the case, so I am well prepared. And I agreed that I tell him everything I know to do.''
What do you discover?
,, The Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes has been corrupt, but in this case I think he speaks the truth. Croes has suggested that the father of Joran van der Sloot in Aruba and the police were very good friends. That police chief said that he would have the son of his best friend could not continue. That explains why the investigation only after ten days was set in motion, while four hours after the disappearance of Natalee Joran already clear that there was closely involved.,,
You are also plans for the new governance structure of the West on such matters. Are not you afraid that you Antilles hence the cabinet hunts.
,, I say what I think and I see what happens. I'm starting Monday at the table with various people I have accused of corruption. I do not know how they will approach me, but I'm still welcome.''
What are you going to blame the West?
,, There is an agreement that the Netherlands seventy percent of the debt charity, and that control over administration and justice. That seems good, but what does the island of Curacao was the first council done? The private pension supplemented with 1.3 million euros. This is an geneerde form of self-enrichment which the dog does not eat bread.''
,, I foresee that in the West as quickly as possible the money would have to be as fast as possible to them. The negotiations on the constitutional changes are, unfortunately, wrong place. We ought to agree that they may make no new debt.''
Thanx Klaas!
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Tamikosmom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #641 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:30:22 PM »
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: iris44 on January 02, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were
eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time.
I always thought they left abruptly because of the Chavez issues.
that was my understanding too. Again, the best source to find out the answer would be Tim. I have said that for over a month now.
How can you ask the guy about thing's that happened when he wasn't even there!
Exactly!!!
Kyle Kings posts which were submitted to the Natalee's Freebird forum tells the story of the Persistence coverup and ... answers all the questions. Kyle was on board the Persistence ... he should know.
Janet
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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #374 on: January 02, 2009, 09:23:30 PM »
KYLE KINGMAN - PRIVATE FORUM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609289;topicseen#msg609289
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ldstlou
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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January 02, 2009, 11:30:26 PM »
I have to put my son to bed.
Good night all.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #643 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:33:17 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:26:13 PM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2009/januari/02/pvv-er-brinkman-uit-zijn-kritiek-op-zaak-holloway
Brinkman PVV'er from his criticism of Holloway case Published: 03 January 2009 05:00, last updated: 02 January 2009 21:43
by Dick Hofland
PVV-MP Hero Brinkman. | Nederlands Dagblad photo / Jaco Klamer
-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
THE HAGUE - The Holloway case in terms of PVV MP Hero Brinkman-to carelessly examined. During the visit of a delegation he dives in the case, but he also criticized the new management structure in the Antilles.
MP Hero Brinkman of the PVV appears next week in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case. During the visit of a parliamentary delegation to the West, he speaks in the Advocate of the missing American teenager, several policemen and some former members of the Public Ministry. ,, The research is so fucked up.''
What can you do what Peter R. de Vries can not?
,, I wish that the case was a cover it. Because that likely to happen now. Peter R. de Vries has updated me about everything and I've read about the case, so I am well prepared. And I agreed that I tell him everything I know to do.''
What do you discover?
,, The Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes has been corrupt, but in this case I think he speaks the truth. Croes has suggested that the father of Joran van der Sloot in Aruba and the police were very good friends. That police chief said that he would have the son of his best friend could not continue. That explains why the investigation only after ten days was set in motion,
while four hours after the disappearance of Natalee Joran already clear that there was closely involved.,,
You are also plans for the new governance structure of the West on such matters. Are not you afraid that you Antilles hence the cabinet hunts.
,, I say what I think and I see what happens. I'm starting Monday at the table with various people I have accused of corruption. I do not know how they will approach me, but I'm still welcome.''
What are you going to blame the West?
,, There is an agreement that the Netherlands seventy percent of the debt charity, and that control over administration and justice. That seems good, but what does the island of Curacao was the first council done? The private pension supplemented with 1.3 million euros. This is an geneerde form of self-enrichment which the dog does not eat bread.''
,, I foresee that in the West as quickly as possible the money would have to be as fast as possible to them. The negotiations on the constitutional changes are, unfortunately, wrong place. We ought to agree that they may make no new debt.''
I wonder if what I have bolded is translated properly? Within 4 hours? Could he be talking about the 4:00 am pickup of Joran by Paulus? Or, 4 hours after she was reported missing by the chaperone?
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Anna
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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January 02, 2009, 11:33:50 PM »
I can understand how someone can have a change of opinion or perception of things as more information is obtained. What I can't understand is how facts can change. First stating unequivocally that the FBI was NOT informed and now not only were they informed but on board?
Doesn't make sense. Opinions and speculations change. Facts don't.
JMO
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Murder & Crime on Aruba Summary
http://tinyurl.com/2nus7c
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #645 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:35:24 PM »
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:25:06 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 02, 2009, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: iris44 on January 02, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were
eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time.
I always thought they left abruptly because of the Chavez issues.
that was my understanding too. Again, the best source to find out the answer would be Tim. I have said that for over a month now.
How can you ask the guy about thing's that happened when he wasn't even there!
I think Tim could answer whether he was "removed" from the Persistence or not.
WTH does it matter if Tim was removed or left for whatever reason on Dec 30th? We are talking about the ROV video (Jan 7th) and how it was handled by the persistence crew....including kyle who brought his concerns out in the open on a forum. The members of that forum became concerned because kyle had not turned over the ROV video as late as Sept 2008.....members of that forum did turn over at least the evidence kyle had provided to FBI and Beth, JQK....
idstlou.....you seem to always take something to nitpick rather than focusing on the main point.....mhoo.
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Keepthefaith
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #646 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:36:13 PM »
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
Janet..
This comment is what i find interesting.How could or did John Silvetti come to this conclusion and how would Ldstlou know this??Just a question...
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Tamikosmom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #647 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:36:46 PM »
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:18:30 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:14:52 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?
And that is my question
I have not gone and I am not "they". Kyle did speak of his concerns to the FBI.
Lou, I am sorry. Maybe Kyle should be addressing these questions. You are putting yourself in a very tough situation. My prospective is I cannot understand why the FBI or the family were not given the pictures of the ROV retrieval from the Jan. 7th dive by ALE.
Guess we will not get that answer. Seems they are gone again.
(correction on my last post)
And it is my belief they were.
Kyle is called a liar by many posters here...so why bother having him here?
I never attempted to speak for Kyle, I have attempted to say why I don't believe members of the Persistence were involved in a cover-up.
I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words 100%. This is the reason I am so angry.
Janet
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #648 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:38:06 PM »
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on January 02, 2009, 11:17:10 PM
Quote from: Anna on January 02, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
Quantico is a Marine Corp Base that houses among other things the FBI academy.
So were these agents onboard from the regular FBI which is in Washington, DC, or from Bardados? There are some lab facilities at Quantico but the forensic samples in the plastic bags were only in the ALE dive boat was my understanding from Kyle's posts.
Just following along, here, Anna....my thoughts were along the same lines.
Someone from Quantico could be a Marine, lol.
Marine Corps Base Quantico
It's called the "Crossroads of the Marine Corps," and during its 80 year tenure on the approximately 100 square miles of land located along the western bank of the Potomac River, Marine Corps Base Quantico has been a training site for Marines and a birthing place of Marine Corps concepts.
The Marine Corps Base provides functional support for the overall Quantico mission including the provision of personnel administration, facilities, logistics, financial security, safety, public information, legal, base operations, training, administration, morale, welfare and recreation support for organic and tenant organizations.
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All posts reflect my opinion only and are not shared by all forum members nor intended as statement of facts. I am doing the best I can with the information available.
Murder & Crime on Aruba Summary
http://tinyurl.com/2nus7c
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #649 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:39:18 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: iris44 on January 02, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 02, 2009, 10:27:34 PM
LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had
NO
interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had
no
responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!
John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were
eager to look into.
It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.
Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time.
I always thought they left abruptly because of the
Chavez issues.
Did everyone evacuate Aruba due to the Chavez issues? Did tourists stop going? Did tourists stop going on Snorkle trips, fishing trips, windsurfing, etc?. Why would the Persistence leave because of some chest pounding by Chavez?
Things were pretty tense in that area at that exact time as I recall. There was a lot of news coverage and it seemed serious at the time.
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hotping
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #650 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:39:22 PM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2009, 11:36:46 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:18:30 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:14:52 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?
And that is my question
I have not gone and I am not "they". Kyle did speak of his concerns to the FBI.
Lou, I am sorry. Maybe Kyle should be addressing these questions. You are putting yourself in a very tough situation. My prospective is I cannot understand why the FBI or the family were not given the pictures of the ROV retrieval from the Jan. 7th dive by ALE.
Guess we will not get that answer. Seems they are gone again.
(correction on my last post)
And it is my belief they were.
Kyle is called a liar by many posters here...so why bother having him here?
I never attempted to speak for Kyle, I have attempted to say why I don't believe members of the Persistence were involved in a cover-up.
I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words 100%. This is the reason I am so angry.
Janet
Ditto!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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January 02, 2009, 11:41:49 PM »
I believe this is the woman that I posted about that died on the diving trip. There are also many very nice comments that follow the article.
http://www.windsorstar.com/Budimir+Hussey+death+loss+community/1124483/story.html
Helen Budimir-Hussey, pictured in this 2006 file photo, is being remembered for her tireless volunteer work and giving spirit after she died on Christmas Eve while scuba diving in the Caribbean.Photograph by: Scott Webster, The Windsor Star
A LaSalle woman is being remembered for her tireless volunteer work and giving spirit after she died on Christmas Eve while scuba diving in the Caribbean.
Helen Budimir-Hussey, 54, died after having trouble in the water off the island of Aruba.
“It was an accidental death,” said Roger Mann, a friend of the family.
Details of the cause of Budimir-Hussey’s death remain unclear. Mann said he heard Budimir-Hussey experienced breathing difficulties. “Unfortunately, they couldn’t revive her,” Mann said. “That’s all we know at this point.”
Mann said Budimir-Hussey and her family vacation in Aruba every year.
A mother of three, Budimir-Hussey was known for her extensive involvement in such community organizations as the Canadian Cancer Society, the Rotary Club of LaSalle-Centennial and the Serbian Heritage Museum and Library.
Mann, a fellow Rotary Club member, said Budimir-Hussey was a founding member of the club and her devotion to charitable causes was second to none.
“There’s something unique about Helen. She was the true definition of giving,” Mann said. “It’s a terrible loss. Not only for her family, but the community at large.”
For example, Mann said Budimir-Hussey was the lead organizer of the town’s annual Santa Claus parade, including this year’s event. “We used to call that Helen’s parade. She did it.”
Carol Cyphery, of the Essex County unit of the Canadian Cancer Society, said Budimir-Hussey was involved in the CCS for more than 30 years, previously serving as the unit’s manager and more recently as president of the unit’s volunteer council.
Cyphery said Budimir-Hussey lived the mission of the CCS in believing that a cure for cancer can be found. “She always felt that research was the key. She did a lot of work fundraising, trying to raise dollars and public awareness for the need for research to find a cure for cancer. That was her biggest passion, I would say.”
The cause hit close to home for Budimir-Hussey in 2006, when her eldest son Jordan died of a rare form of cancer at the age of 21.
Another group important to Budimir-Hussey was the Serbian Women’s Club of Windsor. Budimir-Hussey’s father was Yugoslavian-born Steve Budimir, owner of Windsor’s N&D grocery stores.
Club president Alexandra Budisavljevic said Budimir-Hussey was a faithful and ambitious member. “If you ever needed anything done, you called Helen,” Budisavljevic said.
Roger Mann described Budimir-Hussey as a driving force. “She juggled all these things. At the same time, she looked after her family very well. She always had this passion … the passion for giving. That’s what defined her, really.”
Budimir-Hussey is survived by her husband Terry, her university-age son MacKenzie and her youngest son Dylan, who’s still in elementary school.
Arrangements have been made with Families First Funeral Home, 3260 Dougall Ave. Visitation takes place from 2 to 5 p.m. Thursday, and 2 to 5 p.m. and 7 to 9 p.m. Friday. A service will take place at the funeral home 11:30 a.m. Saturday.
Budimir-Hussey’s family asks that any donations be given to the Canadian Cancer Society, as per Helen’s wishes.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #652 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:41:50 PM »
Quote from: hotping on January 02, 2009, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 02, 2009, 11:36:46 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 11:18:30 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:14:52 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 02, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?
And that is my question
I have not gone and I am not "they". Kyle did speak of his concerns to the FBI.
Lou, I am sorry. Maybe Kyle should be addressing these questions. You are putting yourself in a very tough situation. My prospective is I cannot understand why the FBI or the family were not given the pictures of the ROV retrieval from the Jan. 7th dive by ALE.
Guess we will not get that answer. Seems they are gone again.
(correction on my last post)
And it is my belief they were.
Kyle is called a liar by many posters here...so why bother having him here?
I never attempted to speak for Kyle, I have attempted to say why I don't believe members of the Persistence were involved in a cover-up.
I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words 100%. This is the reason I am so angry.
Janet
Ditto!
Double Ditto..
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Reply #653 on:
January 02, 2009, 11:42:10 PM »
Quote from: iris44 on January 02, 2009, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: iris44 on January 02, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
I always thought they left abruptly because of the
Chavez issues.
Did everyone evacuate Aruba due to the Chavez issues? Did tourists stop going? Did tourists stop going on Snorkle trips, fishing trips, windsurfing, etc?. Why would the Persistence leave because of some chest pounding by Chavez?
Things were pretty tense in that area at that exact time as I recall. There was a lot of news coverage and it seemed serious at the time.
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I think so too, iris. Tourists have to make their own decisions about things like that. The Persistence was out there with a lot of valuable equipment and employees. I can understand a decision where it's better to be safe than sorry.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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If Kyle had his doubts about what the ALE were doing (pulling off a cover up) and the FBI was getting daily updates then why didn't Kyle go to the FBI instead of Freebirds with his concerns?
And that is my question
I have not gone and I am not "they". Kyle did speak of his concerns to the FBI.
Lou, I am sorry. Maybe Kyle should be addressing these questions. You are putting yourself in a very tough situation. My prospective is I cannot understand why the FBI or the family were not given the pictures of the ROV retrieval from the Jan. 7th dive by ALE.
Guess we will not get that answer. Seems they are gone again.
(correction on my last post)
And it is my belief they were.
Kyle is called a liar by many posters here...so why bother having him here?
I never attempted to speak for Kyle
, I have attempted to say why I don't believe members of the Persistence were involved in a cover-up.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: Anna on January 02, 2009, 11:38:06 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on January 02, 2009, 11:17:10 PM
Quote from: Anna on January 02, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
Quantico is a Marine Corp Base that houses among other things the FBI academy.
So were these agents onboard from the regular FBI which is in Washington, DC, or from Bardados? There are some lab facilities at Quantico but the forensic samples in the plastic bags were only in the ALE dive boat was my understanding from Kyle's posts.
Just following along, here, Anna....my thoughts were along the same lines.
Someone from Quantico could be a Marine, lol.
Marine Corps Base Quantico
It's called the "Crossroads of the Marine Corps," and during its 80 year tenure on the approximately 100 square miles of land located along the western bank of the Potomac River, Marine Corps Base Quantico has been a training site for Marines and a birthing place of Marine Corps concepts.
The Marine Corps Base provides functional support for the overall Quantico mission including the provision of personnel administration, facilities, logistics, financial security, safety, public information, legal, base operations, training, administration, morale, welfare and recreation support for organic and tenant organizations.
Didn't Dompig train at Quantico?? Maybe HE was on board the Persistence!
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on January 02, 2009, 11:33:17 PM
Quote from: klaasend on January 02, 2009, 11:26:13 PM
http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2009/januari/02/pvv-er-brinkman-uit-zijn-kritiek-op-zaak-holloway
Brinkman PVV'er from his criticism of Holloway case Published: 03 January 2009 05:00, last updated: 02 January 2009 21:43
by Dick Hofland
PVV-MP Hero Brinkman. | Nederlands Dagblad photo / Jaco Klamer
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THE HAGUE - The Holloway case in terms of PVV MP Hero Brinkman-to carelessly examined. During the visit of a delegation he dives in the case, but he also criticized the new management structure in the Antilles.
MP Hero Brinkman of the PVV appears next week in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case. During the visit of a parliamentary delegation to the West, he speaks in the Advocate of the missing American teenager, several policemen and some former members of the Public Ministry. ,, The research is so fucked up.''
What can you do what Peter R. de Vries can not?
,, I wish that the case was a cover it. Because that likely to happen now. Peter R. de Vries has updated me about everything and I've read about the case, so I am well prepared. And I agreed that I tell him everything I know to do.''
What do you discover?
,, The Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes has been corrupt, but in this case I think he speaks the truth. Croes has suggested that the father of Joran van der Sloot in Aruba and the police were very good friends. That police chief said that he would have the son of his best friend could not continue. That explains why the investigation only after ten days was set in motion,
while four hours after the disappearance of Natalee Joran already clear that there was closely involved.,,
You are also plans for the new governance structure of the West on such matters. Are not you afraid that you Antilles hence the cabinet hunts.
,, I say what I think and I see what happens. I'm starting Monday at the table with various people I have accused of corruption. I do not know how they will approach me, but I'm still welcome.''
What are you going to blame the West?
,, There is an agreement that the Netherlands seventy percent of the debt charity, and that control over administration and justice. That seems good, but what does the island of Curacao was the first council done? The private pension supplemented with 1.3 million euros. This is an geneerde form of self-enrichment which the dog does not eat bread.''
,, I foresee that in the West as quickly as possible the money would have to be as fast as possible to them. The negotiations on the constitutional changes are, unfortunately, wrong place. We ought to agree that they may make no new debt.''
I wonder if what I have bolded is translated properly? Within 4 hours? Could he be talking about the 4:00 am pickup of Joran by Paulus? Or, 4 hours after she was reported missing by the chaperone?
Wasn't Joran supposedly telling other students at school that Natalee drowned? If she died at 3 or 4 a.m., Joran was at school by 8 am or so; that would be around 4 hours.
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Quote from: texasmom on January 02, 2009, 11:41:49 PM
I believe this is the woman that I posted about that died on the diving trip. There are also many very nice comments that follow the article.
http://www.windsorstar.com/Budimir+Hussey+death+loss+community/1124483/story.html
Helen Budimir-Hussey, pictured in this 2006 file photo, is being remembered for her tireless volunteer work and giving spirit after she died on Christmas Eve while scuba diving in the Caribbean.Photograph by: Scott Webster, The Windsor Star
A LaSalle woman is being remembered for her tireless volunteer work and giving spirit after she died on Christmas Eve while scuba diving in the Caribbean.
Helen Budimir-Hussey, 54, died after having trouble in the water off the island of Aruba.
“It was an accidental death,” said Roger Mann, a friend of the family.
Details of the cause of Budimir-Hussey’s death remain unclear. Mann said he heard Budimir-Hussey experienced breathing difficulties. “Unfortunately, they couldn’t revive her,” Mann said. “That’s all we know at this point.”
Mann said Budimir-Hussey and her family vacation in Aruba every year.
A mother of three, Budimir-Hussey was known for her extensive involvement in such community organizations as the Canadian Cancer Society, the Rotary Club of LaSalle-Centennial and the Serbian Heritage Museum and Library.
Mann, a fellow Rotary Club member, said Budimir-Hussey was a founding member of the club and her devotion to charitable causes was second to none.
“There’s something unique about Helen. She was the true definition of giving,” Mann said. “It’s a terrible loss. Not only for her family, but the community at large.”
For example, Mann said Budimir-Hussey was the lead organizer of the town’s annual Santa Claus parade, including this year’s event. “We used to call that Helen’s parade. She did it.”
Carol Cyphery, of the Essex County unit of the Canadian Cancer Society, said Budimir-Hussey was involved in the CCS for more than 30 years, previously serving as the unit’s manager and more recently as president of the unit’s volunteer council.
Cyphery said Budimir-Hussey lived the mission of the CCS in believing that a cure for cancer can be found. “She always felt that research was the key. She did a lot of work fundraising, trying to raise dollars and public awareness for the need for research to find a cure for cancer. That was her biggest passion, I would say.”
The cause hit close to home for Budimir-Hussey in 2006, when her eldest son Jordan died of a rare form of cancer at the age of 21.
Another group important to Budimir-Hussey was the Serbian Women’s Club of Windsor. Budimir-Hussey’s father was Yugoslavian-born Steve Budimir, owner of Windsor’s N&D grocery stores.
Club president Alexandra Budisavljevic said Budimir-Hussey was a faithful and ambitious member. “If you ever needed anything done, you called Helen,” Budisavljevic said.
Roger Mann described Budimir-Hussey as a driving force. “She juggled all these things. At the same time, she looked after her family very well. She always had this passion … the passion for giving. That’s what defined her, really.”
Budimir-Hussey is survived by her husband Terry, her university-age son MacKenzie and her youngest son Dylan, who’s still in elementary school.
Arrangements have been made with Families First Funeral Home, 3260 Dougall Ave. Visitation takes place from 2 to 5 p.m. Thursday, and 2 to 5 p.m. and 7 to 9 p.m. Friday. A service will take place at the funeral home 11:30 a.m. Saturday.
Budimir-Hussey’s family asks that any donations be given to the Canadian Cancer Society, as per Helen’s wishes.
Lovely photo of a lovely, giving woman....I'm just sorry I will remember the photo of her in the initial news article.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on January 02, 2009, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: texasmom on January 02, 2009, 11:41:49 PM
I believe this is the woman that I posted about that died on the diving trip. There are also many very nice comments that follow the article.
http://www.windsorstar.com/Budimir+Hussey+death+loss+community/1124483/story.html
Helen Budimir-Hussey, pictured in this 2006 file photo, is being remembered for her tireless volunteer work and giving spirit after she died on Christmas Eve while scuba diving in the Caribbean.Photograph by: Scott Webster, The Windsor Star
A LaSalle woman is being remembered for her tireless volunteer work and giving spirit after she died on Christmas Eve while scuba diving in the Caribbean.
Helen Budimir-Hussey, 54, died after having trouble in the water off the island of Aruba.
“It was an accidental death,” said Roger Mann, a friend of the family.
Details of the cause of Budimir-Hussey’s death remain unclear. Mann said he heard Budimir-Hussey experienced breathing difficulties. “Unfortunately, they couldn’t revive her,” Mann said. “That’s all we know at this point.”
Mann said Budimir-Hussey and her family vacation in Aruba every year.
A mother of three, Budimir-Hussey was known for her extensive involvement in such community organizations as the Canadian Cancer Society, the Rotary Club of LaSalle-Centennial and the Serbian Heritage Museum and Library.
Mann, a fellow Rotary Club member, said Budimir-Hussey was a founding member of the club and her devotion to charitable causes was second to none.
“There’s something unique about Helen. She was the true definition of giving,” Mann said. “It’s a terrible loss. Not only for her family, but the community at large.”
For example, Mann said Budimir-Hussey was the lead organizer of the town’s annual Santa Claus parade, including this year’s event. “We used to call that Helen’s parade. She did it.”
Carol Cyphery, of the Essex County unit of the Canadian Cancer Society, said Budimir-Hussey was involved in the CCS for more than 30 years, previously serving as the unit’s manager and more recently as president of the unit’s volunteer council.
Cyphery said Budimir-Hussey lived the mission of the CCS in believing that a cure for cancer can be found. “She always felt that research was the key. She did a lot of work fundraising, trying to raise dollars and public awareness for the need for research to find a cure for cancer. That was her biggest passion, I would say.”
The cause hit close to home for Budimir-Hussey in 2006, when her eldest son Jordan died of a rare form of cancer at the age of 21.
Another group important to Budimir-Hussey was the Serbian Women’s Club of Windsor. Budimir-Hussey’s father was Yugoslavian-born Steve Budimir, owner of Windsor’s N&D grocery stores.
Club president Alexandra Budisavljevic said Budimir-Hussey was a faithful and ambitious member. “If you ever needed anything done, you called Helen,” Budisavljevic said.
Roger Mann described Budimir-Hussey as a driving force. “She juggled all these things. At the same time, she looked after her family very well. She always had this passion … the passion for giving. That’s what defined her, really.”
Budimir-Hussey is survived by her husband Terry, her university-age son MacKenzie and her youngest son Dylan, who’s still in elementary school.
Arrangements have been made with Families First Funeral Home, 3260 Dougall Ave. Visitation takes place from 2 to 5 p.m. Thursday, and 2 to 5 p.m. and 7 to 9 p.m. Friday. A service will take place at the funeral home 11:30 a.m. Saturday.
Budimir-Hussey’s family asks that any donations be given to the Canadian Cancer Society, as per Helen’s wishes.
Lovely photo of a lovely, giving woman....I'm just sorry I will remember the photo of her in the initial news article.
Aruba newspapers have NO respect for the deceased.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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I think we need Kermit, Jen, or wingnut to come back and re-state the timelines as they know it.
I think we need Tim Miller to explain it to us.
Tim Miller was not on the persistence when the ROV video was taken on jan 7...John S. put him off the ship on Dec 30th....
No but I am sure Tim could answer if the FBI were involved. I am sure he could answer what the protocol was in turning over footage. I am sure he could answer if he was removed from the Persistence. I am sure he could answer if he felt John Silvetti was involved in a cover-up with the FBI. I think those answers would go a long way right now.
Ldstlou, you have convinced me. Your explanations sound straightforward and credible.
How are her explanations any more credible than any one elses? Because she spoke with Kyle or Jug?
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