Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 - 1/3/09

[Kermit]

Kyle: "I should clarify that the footage proceeds (if sold) wouldn't even have covered the cost of the project, but it would have helped.

[Kermit]

"Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.

[Kermit]

March 20th Kyle stated: "I prefer moving forward with the evidence I have access and knowledge about and using that as a can opener. Once the can is open, the worms are revealed."

[Kermit]

Kyle stated: "I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th.

[Kermit]

Kyle stated: "We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively."
Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

[Kermit]

Kyle stated: "No one else has access or copies of the photos or footage. All fingers point back to me when this leaks."

[Kermit]

ribbit

[Kermit]

Kyle said: "Right before the Dateline special aired Tim and Louis asked if I could go to ABC to try to sell the footage in an attempt to recoup some of the money invested in the search efforts. ABC was very interested, but decided to wait until the Dateline special aired. After the show they came back to me and declined to purchase it because they felt too much of the story was already told by Dateline. That ended any communication with ABC. About 6 executive producers saw the footage, but none were allowed copies or any pictures. Everything remained in my possesion.

[Kermit]

Good night monkeys, the pond awaits me tired frog legs.

I hope the posts help to clear up anything that may not be very clear up till now.

Thank you for your support Monkeys.
Thank you for the kind words.
Thank you for making me laugh when I wanted to .....well you know.

And thank you Patriot for your kind words, it touched my heart. It really did, in ways you don't know.
I've done a lot for our country, fighting the bad guys and exposing the truth you are the first person who said that to me. Means a lot. Thank you very much.

[caesu]

PVV Brinkman voices criticism on Holloway-case

THE HAGUE - The Holloway case is badly investigated is the opinion of PVV-Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman. During the visit of a parliamentary delegation he jumps into the case, but he is also critical on the new governing board structure on the Antilles.

Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman of the PVV the coming week on Aruba jumps into the Natalee Holloway case. During the visit of a parliamentary delegation to the Antilles he speaks the lawyer of the disappeared American teenager, several policemen and some former members of the Public Prosecution Service. "The investigation is as bad as it can be".

What can you do what Peter R. de Vries can't?

"I want prevent that the case gets covered-up. Because that's about to happen now. Peter R. de Vries has filled me in I have just about read everything concerning the case, so that I have been well prepared. And I have agreed that I tell him everything I what I get to know.''

What do think you will discover there?

"The Aruban minister of justice Rudy Croes is indeed corrupt, but in this case he speaks truth according to me. Croes has suggested that the father of Joran van der Sloot were very good friends with the police force chef on Aruba. That police force chef will have said that he could not apprehend the son of his best friend. That explains why the investigation came just after ten days on pace, while already four hours after the disappearance of Natalee already it was clear that Joran was closely involved."

http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2009/januari/02/pvv-er-brinkman-uit-zijn-kritiek-op-zaak-holloway

[Nut44x4]

It is now 2009 and I thank all of you for allowing me to be a part of the Monkey cage. Since Red has said that things WILL be happening, I ask all of you to just have patience and then we will have answers. We are here because we all care about Natalee and her family. Many of the recent posts are very confusing but I still have faith that justice will be won. We all must keep asking questions and searching for the truth.

God Bless all of you for caring.
Cajun Miracle

Good post!! 

[bastibro]

PVV Brinkman voices criticism on Holloway-case

THE HAGUE - The Holloway case is badly investigated is the opinion of PVV-Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman. During the visit of a parliamentary delegation he jumps into the case, but he is also critical on the new governing board structure on the Antilles.

Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman of the PVV the coming week on Aruba jumps into the Natalee Holloway case. During the visit of a parliamentary delegation to the Antilles he speaks the lawyer of the disappeared American teenager, several policemen and some former members of the Public Prosecution Service. "The investigation is as bad as it can be".

What can you do what Peter R. de Vries can't?

"I want prevent that the case gets covered-up. Because that's about to happen now. Peter R. de Vries has filled me in I have just about read everything concerning the case, so that I have been well prepared. And I have agreed that I tell him everything I what I get to know.''

What do think you will discover there?

"The Aruban minister of justice Rudy Croes is indeed corrupt, but in this case he speaks truth according to me. Croes has suggested that the father of Joran van der Sloot were very good friends with the police force chef on Aruba. That police force chef will have said that he could not apprehend the son of his best friend. That explains why the investigation came just after ten days on pace, while already four hours after the disappearance of Natalee already it was clear that Joran was closely involved."

http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2009/januari/02/pvv-er-brinkman-uit-zijn-kritiek-op-zaak-holloway

Good translation Caesu

[Ree]

Folks, I left early last night, but catching up gives me reason to be a little suspicious this morning.  We got somewhat good news from CAPS, Kermie and Red.  Then an interesting discussion begins about Columbian connections and following the money.  In the middle of that LDStLou shows up again to defend Kyle some more the the topic of discussion is completely forgotten.

Thanks to Kermit for coming back and backing up everything that was said concerning Kyle.

[Buckeye]

Been reading around today.  Interesting post on a Dutch psychic site.  Don't think it's related to RG but maybe johan can tell us.  They seem to throw Guido under the bus.

Translated from google:

The case of Natalee is long. There is much information about its course, because many have been working on it. And thus Sapaho but also with a surprising twist! Read on.

Natalee disappeared in the night of 29 on May 30, 2005 during a vacation in Aruba without trace after a night steps. Deepak, Satish and Joran would be the last to have seen her that night.

What happened to her?

21.30 Natalee Joran met for the second time but now the blackjack tables of the casino in the Holiday Inn. Since they play in the company of Guido Wever, who works as a croupier.
It is cozy and Guido giant bi-sexual who believe Natalee is nice but it has targeted at Joran.
After a while talking Joran and Guido what Joran and agree that it would arrange for him.
22.40 am Joran leave the casino and go to McDonald's which is located 400 meters away. Natalee asked Guido where Joran and it refers to its Carlo, and Charlie's in Oranjestad.
In calling his father, who collect him. They drive home the next day because Joran had to get up early to go to school. After an hour because he thinks Joran is a friend of Natalee was very nice and is also the appointment of Guido.
He calls with Deepak Kalpoe and agree that this, together with his brother Satish retrieve him.
00.15 hours a Honda Civic stopped at the door and Joran get in on the brothers. They drive to Charlie's where the ladies are.

01.10 pm The bar is closed and Joran and the brothers make preparation to leave. Also Natalee and her friends go out. Joran asks who wants to get to a beach and Natalee has ears to it. Furthermore, no one wants them so the brothers, Natalee and Joran leave.
Joran that Guido has agreed on the beach asked the brothers to sell him to the beach. Just past the Fisherman, s huts is an exit to the beach.
Since steps Joran and Natalee off. The brothers say goodbye and go home.

01.19 hours as they walk along the water and talk about everything. They are looking for a place to sit and start a little love. This is flat along the way, here are shrubs. There is what Joran gerommeld but has no condom with him and sought other ways.
Guido appears 01.50 hours on the beach and talk what Natalee and Joran. Guido is sitting next to Natalee and attempts by her. They will not try and escape. She calls that Joran meanwhile ran away but this is just

Guido who had been press-up with his tour Joran asked whether he has a condom. Joran says Natalee not Guido tries to rape. This does not really because Natalee is fierce resistance and begins to cry. Guido expressed his left upper arm to the throat of Natalee to her under restraint and raped her. She scratches and bite him in his arm, but because they could get no air, they ran away. She began to have seizures and Guido scared of this and immediately called Joran. When they arrived, they appeared to be deceased. The two boys got in panic and began to accuse each other.
02.26 am Joran Deepak to call him soon to tell what happened and asked him or his father Paul v / d Sloot to the Fisherman, s huts would send.

Because Joran knew his father was calling him all slept not an option.
02.46 am Joran Deepak sends an SMS with the message "Wait until you are at home, miss call me"
So call him back with no text but just 1 time to proceed so that's no recognition of the name of Joran will appear. This was also the message that Deepak Joran father had woken up.
02.55 hours Paul arrived at his place on the road.

Joran is already there and Guido almost. This has Natalee on his back and as dragging to the hut. En route, he lost a shoe but could not attract more. This is because he had Natalee back down and he was too tired for. He also says that Joran against his shoe still on the beach. Joran said: "If they find him, I say that he is mine. They know that I was on the beach and you will not, no one has seen you. "

So far Part 1 of Natalee, the issue of Sapaho.

Source: Sapaho

http://paranormaal.blog.nl/dossier/2009/01/02/dossier-sapaho-natalee-holloway-deel-1

[jen3560]

LDSTLOU - if Joran van der Sloot emailed me and confessed to Natalee dying and his disposing of her body, would it bother you if I posted the jest of that email in the forum?  Just so people could have a good idea what was sent to me?  Or would you think it more important to honor a private email and not tell anyone about it?

I don't see that Caps was posting any confession. Kermit says she is not allowed to post it and yet she posts it. And no, if I had an e-mail from Joran confessing I would not post it at SM, I would turn it over to the FBI who I am sure would tell me to keep my mouth shut about it and I would keep my mouth shut about it.

Which Kyle DID NOT do.  He posted on a private forum his concerns instead of giving the information to the FBI.

that is not true. All footage was turned over to the FBI. Do you wonder why JQK, Tim Miller, Dateline the FBI and the Family are not speaking out about the Persistence? Could it be because it was all done on the up and up? Kyle also asked that his posts not be made public. I believe Jen's letter said they sought legal advice and were told not to publish his posts...am I wrong?

Yes, I believe you are WRONG:

1.  From Kermit's and Kyle's posts the information was turned over to the FBI and JQK because neither Kyle or John Silvetti did.

2.  I believe Jen stated they were told to stay away from Kyle, nothing about NOT publishing his posts.  I think it was Kyle that threatened people if they published them.

The footage WAS turned over to the FBI immediately. You do our FBI a disservice imho by thinking they walked away without it.

Jen also stated I believe, that they had compiled their findings, when Kyle came back he asked that they not post the piece they had put together because they had taken speculation and turned it into facts and had taken his words out of context. So why haven't the Freebirds published the material that Kermit brought here to SM? Why the need to leave the Freebirds to post the material? Am I wrong and the Freebirds are publishing their findings on the Persistence?

Oh good lord. The FBI never "walked away" with anything - they weren't ever there!

And  no - there was no speculation turned into fact.  Kyle said we couldn't publish his "intellectual property" without fear of reprisal.

You really don't get it, do you?

Would you put others at potential legal risk to publish something?  Or would you resign from the group first to protect it from such?

Please - do us all, yourself included, a favor - READ THINGS BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF INCORRECT INFORMATION.  You are just making matters worse by not doing so.

[jen3560]

Define immediately.  When was the footage/pictures turned over.  Do you know this answer.  Can you provide a factual date.

I don't want to hear Kyle said immediately.  I want a date.

the day they were created!!!!

The pics from January 7th ldstlou - not December 30.

Hotshot answered this one a few times i think. These were not Kyle's responsibility to turn over. They were turned over by either John or Tim. Kyle can't say for sure because he was not  there when they were turned over. Any date he gave would be pure speculation.  This does NOT imply a conspiracy, nor that they were not turned over timely, it only says that it wasn't Kyle's responsibility at the time and he was not the one who turned over the footage...but it was turned over.

there are two separate issues here, screen shots and the actual footage. Sceen shots were sent daily as intructed by the FBI agents in charge, and the footage was turned over at the first opportunity.

Now you are just out and out lying.  There was no "FBI agent in charge".

Kyle emailed images from the Dec 29th dive to the FBI.  That was all.  Nothing more.  Ever.  As of Dec 30th, John had completely dismissed the trap, believed the Aruban's at their word that it wasn't case related - and certainly then did NOT send anything to the FBI himself. 

[jen3560]

I am going to venture into this little thing here.  (gosh, I hope I don't regret it)

What I understand ldstlou to be saying here is that there was a protocol on the ship where things were turned over to the FBI as they were developed and Kyle was not the one on the ship that was assigned to do that.

Am I right, ldstlou?

that is my understanding

So what you are saying is that the FBI was there on the ship the entire time including January 7th and they saw the pictures.

So if they saw these pictures what is the big deal.

Is it because Kyle released information he should not have.

I am not sure what you are asking me? What is the big deal to me?

Surely you aren't trying to tell us the FBI was physically aboard the Persistence on Dec. 29th to Jan 7th?!?

I didn't ask that question so I don't know if they were on board or not. I know that there were members of Quantico on board.

Wow!! You're just digging yourself deeper into these lies, aren't you?

You really might want to check that again - I have an email from Kyle that there was NO FBI INVOLVEMENT.  At all.  None.

[jen3560]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

So eager to look into...................eager to follow Richardson's instructions - go out into deeper water, away from the trap.  Yeah - that's the ticket!

Meanwhile - Dutch/Aruban coast guard is at the trap site two days in a row - for a good amount of time.

Coincidence? 

[Blue Moon]

PVV Brinkman voices criticism on Holloway-case

THE HAGUE - The Holloway case is badly investigated is the opinion of PVV-Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman. During the visit of a parliamentary delegation he jumps into the case, but he is also critical on the new governing board structure on the Antilles.

Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman of the PVV the coming week on Aruba jumps into the Natalee Holloway case. During the visit of a parliamentary delegation to the Antilles he speaks the lawyer of the disappeared American teenager, several policemen and some former members of the Public Prosecution Service. "The investigation is as bad as it can be".

What can you do what Peter R. de Vries can't?

"I want prevent that the case gets covered-up. Because that's about to happen now. Peter R. de Vries has filled me in I have just about read everything concerning the case, so that I have been well prepared. And I have agreed that I tell him everything I what I get to know.''

What do think you will discover there?

"The Aruban minister of justice Rudy Croes is indeed corrupt, but in this case he speaks truth according to me. Croes has suggested that the father of Joran van der Sloot were very good friends with the police force chef on Aruba. That police force chef will have said that he could not apprehend the son of his best friend. That explains why the investigation came just after ten days on pace, while already four hours after the disappearance of Natalee already it was clear that Joran was closely involved."

http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2009/januari/02/pvv-er-brinkman-uit-zijn-kritiek-op-zaak-holloway

thanks Caesu, this answers what Hero is going to do and how well he has checked into this case.  Encouraging.

[jen3560]

Quantico is a Marine Corp Base that houses among other things the FBI academy.

So were these agents onboard from the regular FBI which is in Washington, DC, or from Bardados?  There are some lab facilities at Quantico but the forensic samples in the plastic bags were only in the ALE dive boat was my understanding from Kyle's posts.

Just following along, here, Anna....my thoughts were along the same lines.

Someone from Quantico could be a Marine, lol. 


Marine Corps Base Quantico
It's called the "Crossroads of the Marine Corps," and during its 80 year tenure on the approximately 100 square miles of land located along the western bank of the Potomac River, Marine Corps Base Quantico has been a training site for Marines and a birthing place of Marine Corps concepts.

The Marine Corps Base provides functional support for the overall Quantico mission including the provision of personnel administration, facilities, logistics, financial security, safety, public information, legal, base operations, training, administration, morale, welfare and recreation support for organic and tenant organizations.

Didn't Dompig train at Quantico?? Maybe HE was on board the Persistence!