Lively Case Discussion #669 7/30 - 7/31/2007

[Lala'sMom]

Sharon

I was away last week and missed that.  I'll try and go back to find the post you talk about. 

We are talking Shango, not Simian right?
 Because I am still 99% sure I know who Simian was, and I found a passage today in going back to read, that just firms it up for me......

MsDV -- the connection Nut found, if accurate, is definitely a 'Shango' connection.

A 'noted' Santeria expert. In the area that Shango posted from (Ft Lauderdale).

If you can't find it -- let me know and I'll help you. I've been away as well and have lots to catch up on b4 I can catch up here

Search Nuts posts -- use 'Shango' as a search word.

Hello to my 'Miami Connection' 

Found Nut44X4's post:

 Lively Case Discussion #661 7/20 - 7/21/2007
« Reply #746 on: July 21, 2007, 12:40:59 PM » 

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Lala's

Had read some of the old Shango.  Did we ever consider Mary Rolled to be moved in a car and perhaps the buoy part to be moved into a boat??


I think I have considered just about every option possible.  I have always assumed that part of Shango referred to Natalee being at a rave party...which would also fit along the lines of her being given drugs or let's say enticed to take drugs and the drugs killed her.  Still doesn't get the 3 perps off the hook, just tells me that someone was instrumental in seeing that she took the drugs.


http://www.hmsf.org/exhibitions-past-crossroads.htm
Past Exhibitions   
At the Crossroads: Afro-Cuban Orisha Arts in MiamiFebruary 23, 2001 to July 8, 2001

At The Crossroads, the first large scale exhibition of its kind, explores the unique art forms and creative processes of the Orisha religion.

This exhibition highlights the work of more than 20 of Miami’s leading Orisha artists and includes altars, ceremonial garments, beadwork, metalwork, woodcarving, herbalism, music, dance and storytelling.

The goal of the exhibition is to provide a forum for the Orisha community of over 100,000 practitioners in Miami to present and interpret its arts to the general public.

There are three guest curators for the exhibition. Ezequiel Torres is a priest of Obatalá and a master craftsman of Afro-Cuban musical instruments including drums. Nelson Mendoza is an active researcher and collector of Orisha artworks. Miguel “Willie” Ramos is well respected nationwide as a priest of Shangó and an Orisha scholar.

According to Ramos, the name “At the Crossroads” is appropriate to the exhibition because “ Miami is the point of encounter between the exiled Cuban community and other immigrant groups in the United States.”

Because Miami is also the center of Orisha worship in the United States, it is integral in spreading the word about the religion. The name “At the Crossroads” also signals the importance of Elegba, the orisha of the crossroads and divine messenger of the gods.

I have posted the following links before, but reviewing them from time to time for Shango' followers is sometimes interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shango#Worship_of_Shango

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yor%C3%B9b%C3%A1_mythology

Elders and Members of Ile Osikan
http://members.tripod.com/omo_ileosikan/id11.html
Oba and Babalosha Ilari Oba (Miguel "Willie" Ramos) Oni Shango is mentioned in the above link, as well.

7) Olokun, Ruler of oceans: The fountain of life, also associated with mysterious depths of consciousness. Here I shall make a link with the figure of Neptune from the Celtic pantheon above, again this maybe stretching the symbolism somewhat but there does seem to be some level of correlation. In that case Olokun could be seen as indirectly representing the Queen in our archetypal mandala. Interestingly Shango is almost drowned in the ocean according to one story from the Yoruban tradition, calling to mind the close relationship between the King and Queen in the Universal Mandala. http://www.8foldman.com/part1c.html
AND YES LALA's.....the buoy toll part is obviously transport to the ocean.

more>>>
http://tinyurl.com/2vnvhz (google search list)



I will bump myself up, lol. For those interested in Shango. I was wondering when I found this stuff if Willie' may be Shango, although a true longshot...could be anyone on Earth really.
 
 

Willie Ramos.  Above. 

[Anna]

Anna
Haven't you heard?  You can just ask Willie now, he's Shango today.   You must remember this:

Lala's doesn't liase with Shango.  She's not the smartest cookie in the jar here. 

Well, just be sure to let me know when it is my turn to be Shango, OK?  Hate to miss it!   

Sorry, just kidding, of course!

Back to work I go to leave folks at peace in their disucssion. . . . .

[Nut44x4]

Morning, minkeys.  No big announcement?  Is Lorenzo still in jail?  Is Joran back in school?  Do we know anything?   

Hi LilPuma Scared Minkey 

[Lala'sMom]

Let's talk about the Florida connection for a minute.  Rob where are you?   

Does anyone remember and have a reference to when Paulus did in fact go to Florida?  I know the rumors of him going to pick up that video and such.  Could Oduber not have done that instead, maybe?  I can't find where Paulus was ever gone from Aruba after this story broke.  I guess I missed it in all the stuff I have read. TIA

[Lala'sMom]

Anna
Haven't you heard?  You can just ask Willie now, he's Shango today.   You must remember this:

Lala's doesn't liase with Shango.  She's not the smartest cookie in the jar here. 

Well, just be sure to let me know when it is my turn to be Shango, OK?  Hate to miss it!   

Sorry, just kidding, of course!

You can be Shango tomorrow, okay? 

Back to work I go to leave folks at peace in their disucssion. . . . .

[BTgirl]

Thanks, Lalas. An interesting theory.

[Lala'sMom]

Anna
Haven't you heard?  You can just ask Willie now, he's Shango today.   You must remember this:

Lala's doesn't liase with Shango.  She's not the smartest cookie in the jar here. 

Well, just be sure to let me know when it is my turn to be Shango, OK?  Hate to miss it!   

Sorry, just kidding, of course!

You can be Shango tomorrow, okay?

Back to work I go to leave folks at peace in their disucssion. . . . .

This is why I need an edit button, not all my mistakes are in spelling. RES

[San]

Let's talk about the Florida connection for a minute.  Rob where are you?   

Does anyone remember and have a reference to when Paulus did in fact go to Florida?  I know the rumors of him going to pick up that video and such.  Could Oduber not have done that instead, maybe?  I can't find where Paulus was ever gone from Aruba after this story broke.  I guess I missed it in all the stuff I have read. TIA

Lala's I asked that question last night when Paulus went to Florida.  Someone mentioned it was the first week Natalee was missing.

[Nut44x4]

Anna
Haven't you heard?  You can just ask Willie now, he's Shango today.   You must remember this:

Lala's doesn't liase with Shango.  She's not the smartest cookie in the jar here. 

http://www.hmsf.org/exhibitions-past-crossroads.htm
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=%22Miguel+Willie+Ramos%22

I've tried to read back and figure out who Willie is, but I just don't have time.  Help me out and tell me Lalas?

[Nut44x4]

ACKKKKKKKKKK...I messed that quote up...now it looks like I asked about Ramos...and I didn't, lol...I found him.

[Lala'sMom]

Let's talk about the Florida connection for a minute.  Rob where are you?   

Does anyone remember and have a reference to when Paulus did in fact go to Florida?  I know the rumors of him going to pick up that video and such.  Could Oduber not have done that instead, maybe?  I can't find where Paulus was ever gone from Aruba after this story broke.  I guess I missed it in all the stuff I have read. TIA

Lala's I asked that question last night when Paulus went to Florida.  Someone mentioned it was the first week Natalee was missing.

I understand that. I am curious just exactly how we know that Paulus was actually in Florida?  Seems strange that he would leave knowing how volatile the situation was at that time.  I should be more to the point and not wander, I guess.  Sorry.

[Tamikosmom]

Regarding TES & the shallow grave...I searched the FP for early stories and did not find the exact one that said a stranger pointed the grave out or suggested they look there ...

<snipped>

Tim Miller
NANCY GRACE
July 13, 2005

MILLER: Well, see, we actually got a lead on that from a guy that we was searched in one area on the total other side of the island that told us that we needed to go over there and what to look for. And when we walked in there, he said, "Stay away from that hole, because there is probably evidence there."

So it was like maybe somebody knew something and was sending us over there. So, you know, at this time, I really don`t know. You would have had to see what we saw to really understand what I`m saying.

[Kermit]

Our prime minister, prime minister spoke with Secretary Condoleezza Rice when he was in Florida at the beginning of June.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485048/




Interview With Juan Carlos Lopez of CNN Espanol
Secretary Condoleezza Rice
Fort Lauderdale , Florida
June 6, 2005

QUESTION: Have you received any update on the case of Natalee Holloway in Aruba ?

SECRETARY RICE: We are in constant contact. And I was able to thank the Aruban delegation here last night for the very good efforts that they are making. It's obviously a case about which we're very concerned and we're all watching and working and also praying that this will come out all right.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/47289.htm



bestbuddy
Monkey Junkey
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
The General Manager of Carlos & Charlie's is Alberto Levy.
Is he related to the Rafael Levy of Miami, Florida, who has reportedly
been deeply involved in the worldwide online porn business,
including child porn and "snuff" films?
http://www.kingdomfoundation.org/pages/163601/index.htm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1333&highlight=lions+club




It seems Paulus took a trip to Miami shortly after Joran’s detention. The purpose for this trip is not known however I certainly have my suspicions.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41550

NOTE: at the time it was alleged that Paulus went to Florida to withdraw Joran from St. Leo University.



Ask the FBI to interrogate Richad Lacle, who will soon be serving a prison sentence in Florida, to find out who is behind this group that offered a big bribe to Nelson Odbuer's party and was never denounced to the police or the prosecutors in Aruba.
(Jossy Mansur Responds!
“To answer the stupid allegations in that MEP inspired and promoted piece of garbage: ...”)

[SunFreak2]

Hello my monkey family.  Just a pass by as I run out the door.  Already been to swimming (PT for arm) and sold a puppy today.  Off to see the surgeon for follow-up in a few minutes. Whoa - too much chlorine in the pool today! Whew!

I'm looking forward to more stimulating & informative discussion this afternoon & evening.  Maybe by then I will really be able to focus my eyes.

TTYL

[blah]

Anna
Haven't you heard?  You can just ask Willie now, he's Shango today.   You must remember this:

Lala's doesn't liase with Shango.  She's not the smartest cookie in the jar here. 

Well, just be sure to let me know when it is my turn to be Shango, OK?  Hate to miss it!   

Sorry, just kidding, of course!

Back to work I go to leave folks at peace in their disucssion. . . . .

Shango Says:
Woman who cooks beans and peas in same pot very unsanitary.

Man who fart in church sit in own pew.

Baseball very funny game--man with 4 balls no can walk!!

Woman who dance while wearing jock strap have make believe ballroom.

Man who fly plane upside down have crackup.

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

A girl's best asset is her 'lie'ability.

Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have!

Man who run behind car get exhausted.

Man who eat jellybean fart in technicolor.

Man who go to bed with itchy butt wake with smelly finger.

Baby conceived on back seat of car with automatic transmission grow up to be shiftless bastard.

Boy who go to bed with sex problem wake up with solution in hand.

Kotex not best thing on earth, but next to best thing.

Man with athletic finger make broad jump.

He who fishes in another man's well often catches crab.

Man who speaks with forked tongue should not kiss balloons.

Man who lose key to apartment not get new key.

He who sitteth on an upturned tack shall surely rise.

Even the greatest of whales is helpless in middle of desert.

Man who argue with wife all day get no peace at night.

Wash your face in the morning, neck at night.

He who eats too many prunes, sits on toilet many moons.

Elevator smell different to midget.

[friend of monkeys]

MONKEYS!!!!!!  i just boarded the new motther monkey ship.

Trying to catch up....not easy ...lol.12 min til i get boooted off library computer.


IS LORENZOE IN JAIL???

When did Tim get to Aruba????

TY

ANY OTHER BIG NEWS??????

[Kermit]

Regarding TES & the shallow grave...I searched the FP for early stories and did not find the exact one that said a stranger pointed the grave out or suggested they look there ...

<snipped>

Tim Miller
NANCY GRACE
July 13, 2005

MILLER: Well, see, we actually got a lead on that from a guy that we was searched in one area on the total other side of the island that told us that we needed to go over there and what to look for. And when we walked in there, he said, "Stay away from that hole, because there is probably evidence there."

So it was like maybe somebody knew something and was sending us over there. So, you know, at this time, I really don`t know. You would have had to see what we saw to really understand what I`m saying.

]

[San]

Let's talk about the Florida connection for a minute.  Rob where are you?   

Does anyone remember and have a reference to when Paulus did in fact go to Florida?  I know the rumors of him going to pick up that video and such.  Could Oduber not have done that instead, maybe?  I can't find where Paulus was ever gone from Aruba after this story broke.  I guess I missed it in all the stuff I have read. TIA

Lala's I asked that question last night when Paulus went to Florida.  Someone mentioned it was the first week Natalee was missing.

I understand that. I am curious just exactly how we know that Paulus was actually in Florida?  Seems strange that he would leave knowing how volatile the situation was at that time.  I should be more to the point and not wander, I guess.  Sorry.

Well something (Video) or someone (Odubor) made him leave.  Either way it was a crucial time to be leaving so the benefits must have been worth him leaving.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Our prime minister, prime minister spoke with Secretary Condoleezza Rice when he was in Florida at the beginning of June.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485048/




Interview With Juan Carlos Lopez of CNN Espanol
Secretary Condoleezza Rice
Fort Lauderdale , Florida
June 6, 2005

QUESTION: Have you received any update on the case of Natalee Holloway in Aruba ?

SECRETARY RICE: We are in constant contact. And I was able to thank the Aruban delegation here last night for the very good efforts that they are making. It's obviously a case about which we're very concerned and we're all watching and working and also praying that this will come out all right.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/47289.htm



bestbuddy
Monkey Junkey
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
The General Manager of Carlos & Charlie's is Alberto Levy.
Is he related to the Rafael Levy of Miami, Florida, who has reportedly
been deeply involved in the worldwide online porn business,
including child porn and "snuff" films?
http://www.kingdomfoundation.org/pages/163601/index.htm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1333&highlight=lions+club




It seems Paulus took a trip to Miami shortly after Joran’s detention. The purpose for this trip is not known however I certainly have my suspicions.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41550

NOTE: at the time it was alleged that Paulus went to Florida to withdraw Joran from St. Leo University.



Ask the FBI to interrogate Richad Lacle, who will soon be serving a prison sentence in Florida, to find out who is behind this group that offered a big bribe to Nelson Odbuer's party and was never denounced to the police or the prosecutors in Aruba.
(Jossy Mansur Responds!
“To answer the stupid allegations in that MEP inspired and promoted piece of garbage: ...”)

Thanks, Kermit.....St. Leo's is in Tampa, btw.

BBL...have things to get done..

[friend of monkeys]

I am so out of the loop.


I just hope and pray that they find her  body soon.

How can the vandesloots sleep.....they know what they did.

Hi to Klass, mr and mrs red, tom an all de  monkees....
FOM