Natalee Case Discussion #753 5/20 - 5/28

[jackb]

For all we know MJ and the other guy both already got a settlement check and signed a disclosure. Unlikely I know,as these two appear to have no rights. Wasn't it Deepak and Joran who were both hinting they were gonna get payed when incarcerated? Did Deepak invest his money in the Cyberzone Cafe or is it just coincidental his step father bought it?

Those two Kalpoe cyotes never got any official money.  They may have gotten some hush money from the sloots.  They would have done collected from everyone, had they gotten official money a "wrongful" arrest.  They quit pushing because they know they are guilty as heck and there are indeed sneaker tracks or some type tire track on that arm in the picture that supposed to be "NH" on the bar dancing, proving by part of a similar bathing suit top and nothing else.  That picture is not what is was exposed to be.  The arm if analyzed properly will show it is not an arm of a healthy person and has, when proper lighting and adjustments made, have sneaker tracks plain as day on it.  The bathing suit top was pasted in and the arm is upward and now reaching down.  More mockery.  That picture is the most evil thing anyone could ever do to a person injured to attempt to show that person alive and "dancing" on a stage, when she in fact, is most likely deceased there.  This should really rock your worlds tonight.  Jackb

[SS]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39658

This is a link to a ten page discussion over at Websleuths when Guido Wever was arrested in May of '06. 

[jackb]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39658

This is a link to a ten page discussion over at Websleuths when Guido Wever was arrested in May of '06. 

I was thinking Ms Arlene was kin to some of the perps.  She sure seemed like she was anti-H/T.  She knows more than she is saying too.
Seems this might be the new subject arrested the NH case. Lots of rumors flying, so unsure as to the veracity of this.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

He is a former (or current) tennis buddy of Joran's.

Snippet from above:

"on Dutch TV news.

The arrested person is Guido Wever, father is Frohverd Wever, he is a cousin of Arlene Schipper, he is still in The Netherlands, being interrogated, daily.

He seems to have moved from Aruba to the Netherlands 14 days after Natalee disappeared.
He was a "croupier" at the HI Casino and had been questioned before by Aruban police.

The reason for his arrest is, murder, kidnapping, sexual assault . . .

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[jackb]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39658

This is a link to a ten page discussion over at Websleuths when Guido Wever was arrested in May of '06. 

I just started to say this is old, but interesting stuff here.  They knew NH was dead or they would not have started charging people with the charges, unless they knew by charging them with these charges they would be cleared, lacking a body to prove.   j/b

[MumInOhio]

« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2008, 07:30:28 PM » From *******   
 
It makes me wonder why the shuffling of judges so early in the case? Did he go from a Judge to working in the law firm of Helen Lejuez? When they reviewed this case how did the Dutch even move on past the first week? Heck what were there impressions about the events of June 10th and 11th? They can't explain any of it and this nightmare has reached epic status for being utterly ridiculous.

*******... from what I have read Judge John S. Kuiperdal was a Judge long before Natalee disappeared.

After reading the posts saying he had died, I have assumed that his name was still on the law firm, as with Mr Wever from Croes Wever and Tchong. I really have no idea if the man is alive or not, but the info in the posts came from somewhere. IIRC the first post was from Leslie and she used to bring the papers every morning.

[johan555]

Since i follow this case i have the idea the fam Wever is involved .
Pa vd Sloot said : no body no case
Joran said: they never find her back
They are so sure about that ,that they can manipulate the media .
Joran is playing with the media and he makes  money  ,with his book and interviews etc .
I chat with several people from Aruba and they all say there is no funeral on Aruba .
But i found this one http://www.zeppwever.com/ and another one http://www.mementomori.net/04147.html
It is not easy to find any info about this 2 funerals and maybe they are for animals .
So my idea is that they brought the dead body to a funeral ,but i can be wrong

[Buckeye]

Since i follow this case i have the idea the fam Wever is involved .
Pa vd Sloot said : no body no case
Joran said: they never find her back
They are so sure about that ,that they can manipulate the media .
Joran is playing with the media and he makes  money  ,with his book and interviews etc .
I chat with several people from Aruba and they all say there is no funeral on Aruba .
But i found this one http://www.zeppwever.com/ and another one http://www.mementomori.net/04147.html
It is not easy to find any info about this 2 funerals and maybe they are for animals .
So my idea is that they brought the dead body to a funeral ,but i can be wrong

Not exactly sure what you are looking for.  Yellow pages lists of funeral homes/agencies:

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/Categories/Shops+&+Services/Funeral+agencies/

Now if you're asking about a crematorium, Wevers purchased one.  I believe Rob spoke to the manufacturer and the site had a list of the clients, including Wever, in Aruba.

[Buckeye]

johan

http://www.matthewscremation.com/industry/international.asp#countries

Matthews Cremation Division – International Installations
United States   2657
Argentina   24
Aruba   1
Australia   21
Bahamas   4
Barbados   1

[johan555]

i am looking for the addresses
i will make some Google shots     !

[sharon]

Going through some 'oldies' that I had save.


http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/dutchaffairs/ant050204

The Hague rethinks ties with Netherlands Antillesby Louise Dunne and the RN Internet desk

04-02-2005
 
Some islands would like to be 'Dutch municipalities in the Caribbean'

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende is currently touring the islands that make up the Netherlands Antilles, the first official visit by a Dutch premier in ten years. Since the relationship between the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles isn't always easy, Mr Balkenende risks stirring up strong feelings about independence for the islands.

(snipped)

[johan555]

yes i am looking for  a crematorium

[johan555]

I see a mementomori funeral in Aruba .. cemetery?? the website has been stopped after June 2006 to mention all the names of people who are buried .. or cremated? The whole site is down from that moment ...


and i see the same name as the vd Sloots maid here [margarita Werleman]
is she family ?

[Blonde]

For all we know MJ and the other guy both already got a settlement check and signed a disclosure. Unlikely I know,as these two appear to have no rights. Wasn't it Deepak and Joran who were both hinting they were gonna get payed when incarcerated? Did Deepak invest his money in the Cyberzone Cafe or is it just coincidental his step father bought it?

Those two Kalpoe cyotes never got any official money.  They may have gotten some hush money from the sloots.  They would have done collected from everyone, had they gotten official money a "wrongful" arrest.  They quit pushing because they know they are guilty as heck and there are indeed sneaker tracks or some type tire track on that arm in the picture that supposed to be "NH" on the bar dancing, proving by part of a similar bathing suit top and nothing else.  That picture is not what is was exposed to be.  The arm if analyzed properly will show it is not an arm of a healthy person and has, when proper lighting and adjustments made, have sneaker tracks plain as day on it.  The bathing suit top was pasted in and the arm is upward and now reaching down.  More mockery.  That picture is the most evil thing anyone could ever do to a person injured to attempt to show that person alive and "dancing" on a stage, when she in fact, is most likely deceased there.  This should really rock your worlds tonight.  Jackb

Are you saying Natalee is not dancing on the stage

[johan555]

Two out of four Funeral Homes in Aruba are both in Oranjstad and both owned by “WEVER”.
Mementomori Director Yolanda Wever. Friend of Paulus Van der Sloot.
Instrumental in establishing a crematorium on Aruba.
Zepp Wever Funeral Home.
The crypts broken into were Urderber(?) and WEVER……
The reason there are crypts on Aruba are not the same reason as New Orleans, LA.
In New Orleans the water table is high so the crypts are above ground level so water will not seep into the sarcophagi.
In Aruba the ground is too hard to dig graves, therefore the above ground crypts.

Could it be that Guido Wever has taken advantage of the availability of a crematorium within the family? Yolanda is rumoured to have been working for the government before and used to have an accounting firm:

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/Cat...l/Accountants/

[Dayhiker]

« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2008, 07:30:28 PM » From *******   
 
It makes me wonder why the shuffling of judges so early in the case? Did he go from a Judge to working in the law firm of Helen Lejuez? When they reviewed this case how did the Dutch even move on past the first week? Heck what were there impressions about the events of June 10th and 11th? They can't explain any of it and this nightmare has reached epic status for being utterly ridiculous.

*******... from what I have read Judge John S. Kuiperdal was a Judge long before Natalee disappeared.

After reading the posts saying he had died, I have assumed that his name was still on the law firm, as with Mr Wever from Croes Wever and Tchong. I really have no idea if the man is alive or not, but the info in the posts came from somewhere. IIRC the first post was from Leslie and she used to bring the papers every morning.

It was discussed very early on that one of the Aruban judges that ruled before they swicthed to Curacao was a neighbor of Paulus'. Was it Kuiperdal? Not sure it matters, the Dutch judges were all friends and co-workers of Paulus and all were crooked as shit.

[sharon]

Two out of four Funeral Homes in Aruba are both in Oranjstad and both owned by “WEVER”.
Mementomori Director Yolanda Wever. Friend of Paulus Van der Sloot.
Instrumental in establishing a crematorium on Aruba.
Zepp Wever Funeral Home.
The crypts broken into were Urderber(?) and WEVER……
The reason there are crypts on Aruba are not the same reason as New Orleans, LA.
In New Orleans the water table is high so the crypts are above ground level so water will not seep into the sarcophagi.
In Aruba the ground is too hard to dig graves, therefore the above ground crypts.

Could it be that Guido Wever has taken advantage of the availability of a crematorium within the family? Yolanda is rumoured to have been working for the government before and used to have an accounting firm:

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/Cat...l/Accountants/

johan555 -- here is an old post I've saved from Grande -- just in case it helps you

1.   Grande Says:
April 26th, 2006 at 9:53 pm

SOURCE: MEMETOMORI FUNERAL HOME - ARUBA

EDMOND FERMIN WERLEMAN DIED JUNE 4, 2005 - AGE 35
KERWIN ANTHONY ORVILLE GOIJLA DIED JUNE 4, 2005 - AGE 17
GISELA SULAIKA LOEFSTOP DIED JUNE 15, 2005 - AGE 30
SAUL ARNOLD RAS DIED JUNE 28, 2005 - AGE 29
JASON EUGENE TIN SOENG WONG DIED JULY 10, 2005 - AGE 19
FRANCIS JAMIE NEMENCIO RASMIJN DIED JULY 20, 2005 - AGE 22
ALBERT RICHARD MARQUEZ BUSTAMANTE DIED AUGUST 25, 2005 - AGE 26
ANGELO SATURNINO GERLY DIED SEPTEMBER 14, 2005 - AGE 30
MOISES ALBERTO ROMERO GASIABURU (SP?) DIED OCTOBER 19, 2005 - AGE 34
LYSANDRA ZAHAYRA THIEL DIED NOVEMBER 1, 2005 - AGE 32
ARCADIO SABINO AMADO ROSINA DIED NOVEMBER, 19 2005 - AGE 21
JOSE FERNANDO SANCHEZ DIED NOVEMBER 26, 2005 - AGE 23
SHAILESKOEMAR BHAWEN DIED DECEMBER 25, 2005 - AGE 23
MICHALANGELO GIOVANNI CROES DIED DECEMBER 31, 2005 - AGE 33
MICHELL ANDRE HAGE ALSO DIED DECEMBER 31, 2005 - AGE 33

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU SAY HMMM…….
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF SOURCING MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE DETAILS OF THESE INDIVIDUALS SUDDEN DEATHS.

I FIND IT QUITE DISTURBING MYSELF, CONSIDERING IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THERE IS LITTLE CRIME ON ARUBA. HOW DID THESE 15! INDIVIDUALS ALL UNDER THE AGE OF 35 ALL COME TO SUDDEN DEATHS SHORTLY THERE AFTER THE INITIAL SURGE OF ATTENTION TO NATALEE’S CASE? MORE IMPORTANTLY PERHAPS IS WHY?

[Dayhiker]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39658

This is a link to a ten page discussion over at Websleuths when Guido Wever was arrested in May of '06. 

I just started to say this is old, but interesting stuff here.  They knew NH was dead or they would not have started charging people with the charges, unless they knew by charging them with these charges they would be cleared, lacking a body to prove.   j/b

Of course they knew she was dead, and they knew it was at the hands of Joran van der Sloot. Karin Jannsen arrested all Joran's buddies and her buddies' kids and Van der Straten's buddies' kids and Arlene's cousin so they could lie freely in their statements without legal repercussions.

Karin Jannsen is a dirty hand, one of many. She stalled the case until she could get her fat ass off the island to the safety of Holland like the rest of the guilty Dutchies did except for dirty hand Van der Straten, who was rewarded for his efforts in botching the case  with the Police Chief position on another island.

[Buckeye]

Blonde

IIRC, there was a picture of Natalee's arm, the guy looking up and ?Lee with a very long arm in the front.  At one time, Klaas posted a picture, sent to her (?jack) that showed a picture of JVdS in a beer bottle, taken from that pic....I think....I have no idea what jack's talking about or if that old discussion is what he is referring to. I am not quite sure that if the items, in question, are not open for posting and discussion....why anyone states off-the-wall things.  It's fine to not "share" but then why even bring the matter up?? RU has someone that thinks Beth photoshopped the freckle off of every picture of Natalee...like she would have time or the inclination...

[Buckeye]

Two out of four Funeral Homes in Aruba are both in Oranjstad and both owned by “WEVER”.
Mementomori Director Yolanda Wever. Friend of Paulus Van der Sloot.
Instrumental in establishing a crematorium on Aruba.
Zepp Wever Funeral Home.
The crypts broken into were Urderber(?) and WEVER……
The reason there are crypts on Aruba are not the same reason as New Orleans, LA.
In New Orleans the water table is high so the crypts are above ground level so water will not seep into the sarcophagi.
In Aruba the ground is too hard to dig graves, therefore the above ground crypts.

Could it be that Guido Wever has taken advantage of the availability of a crematorium within the family? Yolanda is rumoured to have been working for the government before and used to have an accounting firm:

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/Cat...l/Accountants/

johan555 -- here is an old post I've saved from Grande -- just in case it helps you

1.   Grande Says:
April 26th, 2006 at 9:53 pm

SOURCE: MEMETOMORI FUNERAL HOME - ARUBA

EDMOND FERMIN WERLEMAN DIED JUNE 4, 2005 - AGE 35
KERWIN ANTHONY ORVILLE GOIJLA DIED JUNE 4, 2005 - AGE 17
GISELA SULAIKA LOEFSTOP DIED JUNE 15, 2005 - AGE 30
SAUL ARNOLD RAS DIED JUNE 28, 2005 - AGE 29
JASON EUGENE TIN SOENG WONG DIED JULY 10, 2005 - AGE 19
FRANCIS JAMIE NEMENCIO RASMIJN DIED JULY 20, 2005 - AGE 22
ALBERT RICHARD MARQUEZ BUSTAMANTE DIED AUGUST 25, 2005 - AGE 26
ANGELO SATURNINO GERLY DIED SEPTEMBER 14, 2005 - AGE 30
MOISES ALBERTO ROMERO GASIABURU (SP?) DIED OCTOBER 19, 2005 - AGE 34
LYSANDRA ZAHAYRA THIEL DIED NOVEMBER 1, 2005 - AGE 32
ARCADIO SABINO AMADO ROSINA DIED NOVEMBER, 19 2005 - AGE 21
JOSE FERNANDO SANCHEZ DIED NOVEMBER 26, 2005 - AGE 23
SHAILESKOEMAR BHAWEN DIED DECEMBER 25, 2005 - AGE 23
MICHALANGELO GIOVANNI CROES DIED DECEMBER 31, 2005 - AGE 33
MICHELL ANDRE HAGE ALSO DIED DECEMBER 31, 2005 - AGE 33

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU SAY HMMM…….
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF SOURCING MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE DETAILS OF THESE INDIVIDUALS SUDDEN DEATHS.

I FIND IT QUITE DISTURBING MYSELF, CONSIDERING IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THERE IS LITTLE CRIME ON ARUBA. HOW DID THESE 15! INDIVIDUALS ALL UNDER THE AGE OF 35 ALL COME TO SUDDEN DEATHS SHORTLY THERE AFTER THE INITIAL SURGE OF ATTENTION TO NATALEE’S CASE? MORE IMPORTANTLY PERHAPS IS WHY?

I remember that...and I think we were looking for the HI night manager's name....

[johan555]

who is this ?