Natalee Case Discussion #802 2/21/09 - 2/25/09

[Keepthefaith]

Thank You Janet!

[BUCKSHOT]

Tater

Initially Kyle Kingman was very troubled concerning what he observed on board the Persistence in regards to the recovery process.  I truly believe that Kyle felt forced into an intiminated silence by John Silvetti.

It appears that sending the ROV images to the FBI and ... requesting the Natalee's Freebirds to assist in exposing the John Silvetti deception to the FBI/Beth Holloway through a document ... Kyle Kingman was attempting to do what was right.  He was taking the high road.

However ... at some point in time he began to backtrack.  Could it have been a threatened lawsuit but Silvetti/Schaefer?  Could it have been those Network deals?  Could it have been incentives were offered in regards to furthering his career with John Silvetti?

Janet

_________


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:   I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

[BUCKSHOT]

Tater

Initially Kyle Kingman was very troubled concerning what he observed on board the Persistence in regards to the recovery process.  I truly believe that Kyle felt forced into an intiminated silence by John Silvetti.

It appears that sending the ROV images to the FBI and ... requesting the Natalee's Freebirds to assist in exposing the John Silvetti deception to the FBI/Beth Holloway through a document ... Kyle Kingman was attempting to do what was right.  He was taking the high road.

However ... at some point in time he began to backtrack.  Could it have been a threatened lawsuit but Silvetti/Schaefer?  Could it have been those Network deals?  Could it have been incentives were offered in regards to furthering his career with John Silvetti?

Janet

_________


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:   I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Says it all for me...

[Tamikosmom]

Tater

The Persistence undertaking may have been deceptively two fold ... mapping for oil and being on the lookout for a container that may hold Natalee Holloway's remains but ...  affording John Silvetti the benefit of the doubt ... I believe he went into this venture with the intention of being an active  participant in the recovery of Natalee Holloway's remains in the event of a discovery.  However, sometime between the discovery of the trap/cage and the December 30, 2008 dive, the Arubans became involved

I contend after the Arubans were made aware of the implication of the ROV images from the December 29, 2007 dive ... immediate damage control was where it was at and ... an emergency meeting was held aboard the Persistence.

I suspect that just prior to the second dive on December 30, 2007 ... an emergency meeting was scheduled by the Aruban with John Silvetti.  I speculate that at this meeting ... justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closurer for her family too a back seat and ... for an incentive ... John Silvetti became a participant in "the finale to the great Aruban coverup".  Considering Tim Trahan dove with the Aruban dive team on December 30, 2008 ... I contend that this American also became a player in the betrayal.  In otherwords ... the "thumbs down" was a given.

IMO

Janet

_____


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle:   This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.

[Tamikosmom]

Tater

Initially Kyle Kingman was very troubled concerning what he observed on board the Persistence in regards to the recovery process.  I truly believe that Kyle felt forced into an intiminated silence by John Silvetti.

It appears that sending the ROV images to the FBI and ... requesting the Natalee's Freebirds to assist in exposing the John Silvetti deception to the FBI/Beth Holloway through a document ... Kyle Kingman was attempting to do what was right.  He was taking the high road.

However ... at some point in time he began to backtrack.  Could it have been a threatened lawsuit but Silvetti/Schaefer?  Could it have been those Network deals?  Could it have been incentives were offered in regards to furthering his career with John Silvetti?

Janet

_________


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:   I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Says it all for me...

it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.[/color]

[Lifesong]

Buckshot,

No offense taken. 

I do appreciate your comments and insight.

 

[dottie]

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

[Keepthefaith]

Tater

Initially Kyle Kingman was very troubled concerning what he observed on board the Persistence in regards to the recovery process.  I truly believe that Kyle felt forced into an intiminated silence by John Silvetti.

It appears that sending the ROV images to the FBI and ... requesting the Natalee's Freebirds to assist in exposing the John Silvetti deception to the FBI/Beth Holloway through a document ... Kyle Kingman was attempting to do what was right.  He was taking the high road.

However ... at some point in time he began to backtrack.  Could it have been a threatened lawsuit but Silvetti/Schaefer?  Could it have been those Network deals?  Could it have been incentives were offered in regards to furthering his career with John Silvetti?

Janet

_________


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:   I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Says it all for me...

it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.[/color]

Can you two please keep it down.I'm trying to watch TV!

[BUCKSHOT]

Tamikosmom -

We(I) had better join stackaholics anonymous...

BUCKSHOT

[Keepthefaith]

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

I'm currently not aware of a response Dottie.

[Magnolia]

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

I guess that question would need to be directed to the FBI.

[Tater]

Thankyou Janet and all of you...The magnitude of all this is sickening to say the least.I'm just sick, ya know?If there was a puking monkey,I'd be using it for sure.We at least know what they did with her body but the truth of how she was murdered will always be a mystery.It's just undone and I guess that's what we all feel....undone...God rest her soul..The only thing I know for certain is she was last seen getting in the car with those three slime balls only to never be seen again but one fine day,we are all going to know the rest of the story..That is my prayer..I carry a scar on my heart and I want to know why...

[Lifesong]

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

I'm currently not aware of a response Dottie.

Dottie,

I don't have a link handy, but I do think I remember that either Kermit or Jen told us that Kyle was questioned by the FBI after the Freebirds sent the information in.

[dottie]

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

I'm currently not aware of a response Dottie.

TY

[dottie]

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

I'm currently not aware of a response Dottie.

Dottie,

I don't have a link handy, but I do think I remember that either Kermit or Jen told us that Kyle was questioned by the FBI after the Freebirds sent the information in.

Thank Lifesong, I just don't see how that information could be disreguarded.

[wreck]

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

I'm currently not aware of a response Dottie.

TY

(not the FBI themselves).
The FBI will never comment on an on-going investigation. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was Aruba itself that told us the FBI did not make a match with the fabric sample they sent in

[billb's daughter]

Tamikosmom -

We(I) had better join stackaholics anonymous...

BUCKSHOT

There's a meeting tonight...up at my cabin in the backwoods
 

[BUCKSHOT]

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

My opinion...
They could only test what was given to them...
They were denied "official participation" status...
This has never been/will never be a transparent investigation...

The answer and validation to this question:
"How do human remains / fabric turn into tarp material"

Is the same answer as to the following question:
"How does blood turn into chocolate"

Aruba has special "on the spot" forensic abilities...
Combined with a magic wand, that magically disappears things...

[Keepthefaith]

Tamikosmom -

We(I) had better join stackaholics anonymous...

BUCKSHOT

There's a meeting tonight...up at my cabin in the backwoods
 

I'll bring the laptops so we can all stack it up!

[wreck]

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

I'm currently not aware of a response Dottie.

TY

(not the FBI themselves).
The FBI will never comment on an on-going investigation. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was Aruba itself that told us the FBI did not make a match with the fabric sample they sent in

 
Not sure how THAT happened!! 

It should have read:

The FBI will never comment on an on-going investigation. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was Aruba itself that told us the FBI did not make a match with the fabric sample they sent in (not the FBI themselves).