Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, Missing 6/16/08 Orlando FL (Remains Found) #83

[Sea Searcher]

I believe LP and KC are birds of a feather. Out of this entire investigation i have only witnessed him telling the truth maybe 2. the first time was when he called KC a egotistical, self-centered, spoiled, little brat. Other than that i would suggest trying not to get your head in a spin over his lying..hes crazzzy

Sexy LP is old school. He doesn't lie, he might tell half truths but he doesn't lie.
Yes, there are different languages, you understand since you are bilingual. He talks LE, Casey talks bs psychobabble.

LP has been accurate in every statement but they all had to wait for Fay to leave. During that time they f**ked with each other, LE passtime fun.

Sexy LP ROFL.

He is a sexy man... for us older women. 
Casey didn't find him sexy enough though to spill her guys. She did like Baez though so I think he got the info from her that he wanted. They both knew how to work Casey... sexy LP chose not to touch the skank. Shows his class.

As for the luxury items that Casey buys in jail, this is the only interaction she has with the outside world, LE will use her actions against her eventually. She is in a glass bubble and everything she does is judged now.

Why, thank you darlin'...

and don't forget Rob Dick...btw, what ever happened to JB's wedding ring 

[Sassycat]

I woke up this am with an ah ha moment.
If we look at Kiomaries statement and strip away all of her nonsense and look at the part where she gives the location of where her and Caasey would go .. the woods by Hidden Oaks ...
Look at the jailhose tapes where Casey is speaking to Lee. In August, before she was bailed out .. they appear to be talking in code. I haven't fished it out but I am on my way to work. it is the one where he asks her where to look .. they have beeen playing it on Nancy lately .. he asks where to look, she says close to home .. he says where you would go with your friend etc ...
SHE TELLS HIM TO LOOK THERE. And that is where the body is found .
In just those two pieces of the massive information we have, she almost draws him a map, in AUGUST .. 
To me, this is HUGE.
..
This explains the what and the why the private detective and the photograher were so interested in this particular spot in August. And why it was filmed in November.
It says, Lee knew the kid was dead in August, you don't have your sister telling you to look for the kid in those particular woods and expect that the kid is going to be alive two months later.   
So, Lee and the rest of them won't take a lie detector, and all the rest of it, but as soon as the remains are found where Casey told Lee to look in AUGUST , they all lawyer up.
I am going to make an assumption that this is what all the recent frenzy is about, who knew what and when ... they all knew shortly after that conversation because here it is  in her conversation with Lee.
When they pile it on her in court, here it is.
Forget about a discussion about how long the body was there, it was there all along
because it was found where she told Lee to look on a tape that was released to the public. This is why she has no visitors. Baez doesn't want any more of her talking to anyone.
I am going to work, but I feel so strongly on this that I am going to try to get a hold of someone down there in Orlando in the next few days. 


 

KatGram....most excellent observation!   

I agree.  Very interesting.   

[BooMonkey]

Thanks for answering me.  Good morning Monks.  I'm trying to catch up.  If they didn't suspect/know that Caylee was dead then I just don't understand the Anthony's reluctance to have helped the searchers.  If they disagreed that is fine but it sounded like they were angry that people were searching.  If my loved one were missing and I believed they were alive then great, whatever, search away.  What would searching for a body hurt.  The Anthony's truly haven't seemed to be concerned with the truth.  That is what Caylee deserves.  The truth to be told and known.   I think even for Casey, the best thing for her would be for the truth to come to light.

I really wonder about Baez.  I know he can't force Casey to do anything.  I really hope he advised her well regarding the plea deal that was offered initially.  If that deal was to tell where the body was then I guess I can see why Casey wouldn't have accepted it knowing the tape was wrapped around the head.  However; it just seems like she really missed her opprotunity early on to take some sort of deal.  Even with the tape around the head she could still have used the I staged her body scenario.  Of course, who knows what condition the body was in and I'm sure would have told a great deal more before Caylee was skeletonized. 

I just don't see Casey being smart enough or proactive enough to stage Caylee's body.  The only way I guess I would believe that is if her limbs had also been bound in some manner.  I can't see Casey having taped her head after death initially and I definitly don't think she would have touched a decomposing body any more then she had to.  I think she killed Caylee that first night and then threw her in the trunk.  Went home on the day she borrowed the shovel and used the shovel to break into the shed, maybe to get large trash bags.  I then think she either dumped the body at that point or just left her in the trunk and George later disposed of Caylee.

If she did wrap tape around Caylee's head when she was alive - even if it was just once, there is no way she ever intended to take it off.  Casey is at least smart enough to know how sticky it would be and that it would adhere to Caylee's hair. 

ITA KC knew about the tape around Caylee's head and there is just no explaining that now. She gambled on the body not being found. Very good points made in this post!!  But I don't think GA disposed of the body. He would have done a better job than right around the corner from his home! I think it was all KC, just like her to "drop her off" and be on her way!

[Sassycat]

I believe LP and KC are birds of a feather. Out of this entire investigation i have only witnessed him telling the truth maybe 2. the first time was when he called KC a egotistical, self-centered, spoiled, little brat. Other than that i would suggest trying not to get your head in a spin over his lying..hes crazzzy

Sexy LP is old school. He doesn't lie, he might tell half truths but he doesn't lie.
Yes, there are different languages, you understand since you are bilingual. He talks LE, Casey talks bs psychobabble.

LP has been accurate in every statement but they all had to wait for Fay to leave. During that time they f**ked with each other, LE passtime fun.

Sexy LP ROFL.

He is a sexy man... for us older women. 
Casey didn't find him sexy enough though to spill her guys. She did like Baez though so I think he got the info from her that he wanted. They both knew how to work Casey... sexy LP chose not to touch the skank. Shows his class.

As for the luxury items that Casey buys in jail, this is the only interaction she has with the outside world, LE will use her actions against her eventually. She is in a glass bubble and everything she does is judged now.

Why, thank you darlin'...

and don't forget Rob Dick...btw, what ever happened to JB's wedding ring 

Casey probably stoled it!!!!     

[Sassycat]

An attorney for the Anthonys said they are considering giving investigators access to info the PI gathered after splitting with Baez in Oct, and working for the Anthonys since that time. In a phone conversation the PI said he is willing to answer investigators questions. Wesh.com

Is anyone else getting a feeling of family members vs. family members here?

Yep, Family Feud.

That's great CC.   You always have the best pictures!!!       

[Fuzzball]

I re-watched the first bond hearing a few minutes ago and finally found the testimony of Yuri very interesting where he said they got a tip from a hairdresser that said she saw Caylee with bruises all over her arms and legs and a mark under her eye...Yuri said he then found a photo of Caylee that had been posted online showing a mark under her eye which substantiated the hairdresser's claims and that in turn led him to question the A's about the kind of mother casey is, how she would discipline Caylee, how she got bruised, etc.

I believe that precious child had been abused for a long time. The question now is HOW and by WHOM in my mind. I am just hoping it is not what I have suspected for a while. The duct tape brought all those fears back, because that is so common in child pornography.

She's awfully cheerful for a kid who's being smacked around or yelled at a lot.  Children do fall down a lot, and get bruises just as a matter of course....but I've always wondered about the kiddie porn angle. Bruises ALL OVER arms and legs sounds....well, not good.

Ok - I am just catching up but I wanted to respond to this. Not all children that are abused get quiet and withdrawn. My step-GD has been abused since the day she was born (she is now in CPS custody AGAIN) but she has always been an outgoing and friendly kid. I think all kids respond differently based on their own personality. But I also agree that kids fall down - my oldest is very light colored and always had bruises. But not from being hit except by the objects he fell over.

Boyzmom, sure, not all abused children are quiet and withdrawn, but the ones who are cheerful and outgoing very often are coping by bullying weaker kids, or the family pet. If Caylee were actually knocked out, though, while people abused her, then she might not remember, and she'd continue to be cheerful and outgoing and cute, and not act out. 

[BooMonkey]

Will Lee Anthony take the stand at Casey’s trial?


Last Edited: Wednesday, 31 Dec 2008, 8:33 AM EST 
Created: Wednesday, 31 Dec 2008, 8:19 AM EST 

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- It could be brother against sister when the murder case against Casey Anthony begins. Lee Anthony's attorney say's the state attorney's office will likely want to put his client on the stand.

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Tom Luka says he believes Orange County Sheriff's Office detectives and the State Attorney's Office will likely want to question his client again and possibly charge him.

Luka also believes the state would rather use his client lee to testify instead of George and Cindy Anthony. “Speaking as an ex prosecutor having a parent testify against a child is an extraordinarly sympathetic to a jury and can draw sympathy towards a defendant as opposed to away from them. On the other hand siblings do not have that same sort of connection nor are the liable to break down as far as emotionally evoking the same kind of reaction from a jury.” 

None of the Anthony's have been questioned since Caylee's remains were discovered and identified but luka believes its just a matter of time.

IDK but this just seems to me as Luka almost taunting LE to come get his client!!! Hey look over here, Here's Lee and he's going to be charged soon! Hey don't you think LE is going to charge my client??? Wow, Lee has helped LE along I really really hope they don't CHARGE him with anything!!! Here Lee has remained quiet all these months and now his lawyer is practically baiting the public and LE with this! I don't understand this angle!!

[jjayinthemorning]

btw, what ever happened to JB's wedding ring[/color] 

Casey swallowed it.

[JodyO]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-b3report31_508dec31,0,3948456.story

Lawyer: Caylee Anthony's grandparents need immunity


ORLANDO - The lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony wants his clients to have immunity before they speak with prosecutors again about their daughter, Casey Anthony.

Immunity would ensure the couple could tell investigators everything they know without fear of prosecution, attorney Brad Conway said. He doesn't think the Anthonys would say something that would land them in legal trouble, but he wants them protected. The Anthonys did not ask him to request immunity, Conway said. No deal has been made yet, he said.

Casey Anthony, 22, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie.

Investigators are waiting until after Caylee's funeral before they approach the Anthonys again, Conway said.

Funeral arrangements have not been made.


ONCE AGAIN - NOT WORRIED ABOUT CAYLEE - ONLY WORRIED ABOUT THEIR OWN BUTTS!!!

Sassy, get out of my head     That's exactly what I was thinking.  So very pathetic    

I know, right?    This makes me so mad.   After reading this, I had to have a cigarette.   And, I'm trying not to smoke, anymore!  Darn it.    I say NO IMMUNITY.   I don't want them to be able to make money off of Caylee's death.

LOL! People in Hell want ice water; the A's want immunity without disclosing what they would testify to. Yeah, right. ROFLOL! The Prosecutor is ALMOST gonna agree to that. Don't let it make you angry, Sassy. It's a JOKE and it's not going to happen. Who are these criminal lawyers the A's have hired? I'm almost willing to believe that all of them are working pro bono since their legal advice appears to be worth about what they're supposedly paying for it.

[CasuallyCool]

OK...DO NOT LAUGH!!

I was just talking to friend who asked ...............................................

do the inmates wear their own underwear or are they supplied underwear?  I seem to remember casey buying a sports bra from the commissary.......so what about panties.....I know prison inmates male and female are issued underwear but I don't know about jail inmates?   ANYONE????

No thet do not wear their own!!  LOL  Who would bring Casey any now?? 

BJ    I didn't think ss!

Hi Monkey, yes all state and federal inmates are issued three pairs of underwear, three pairs of socks, and three bras. Two jumpsuits,2 towels,a toothbrush, bar soap, comb and toothpaste.

I never received three bras   , did you Sea Searcher?

[anothermonkey]

and don't forget Rob Dick...btw, what ever happened to JB's wedding ring 

I think JB's soon-to-be ex shoved it up his a$$ 

[Monkey See Monkey Don't Do]

Im watching beth twitty on E right now talking about Natalee. And they showed her in a press conference during the time that she was missing and she said,"its been 32 days since iv seen my daughter, and i will not stop looking until i find her" and she was sobbing, pleeing with the public. Its a world apart from Caseys text message she sent out to all of her friends, meekly stating that caylee was missing. She was angry a day later when her mom made a "cameo" on t.v. And im sitting here stunned at the differences in these mothers pain. Caseys attitude was more like that of joran vandersloot, kind of like a "Hmm i dont know, oh i guess" type attitude. im appalled

(from no1zladie)

Wow, I so agree with your assessment here.  It IS appalling.
 


Aww, I'm sooo sorry beth twitty, my heart goes out to you and your whole family, ((((((HUGS)))))  

[anothermonkey]

btw, what ever happened to JB's wedding ring[/color] 

Casey swallowed it.

Oh.. you mean while she was... 

[BooMonkey]

Hmmm. Brother against sister? Could Lee come out as the hero in all this?
Damsel, villian, hero... which role do you think he would pick?
Surely the incest would be protected if he cooperated and that would save face for the Ant clan.

I think early on when Casey was in jail that he was approached to help LE and he's cooperated behind the scenes. They knew they had to work quick before fat Baez caught on. Then maybe twisto... Baez caught on and offered him something... Lee played along.

This just keeps getting better.

I don't know about Hero, but I do have some questions regarding his relationship with LE. It seems to me he gave some good sh!t on his sister in the beginning. His interviews have not been released to the public, he is heard imploring KC to talk to LE about what she knows. If this is a sting by LE, they are very, very good at this!  Yes, I can see JB wanting to stop any Ant family member from talking to KC, I think she would have rolled long before this if JB hadn't stopped her.

[SunnyinTX]

I have pulled the Leonard quotes from NG last night.  I have put them in groups, so that each section can be copied and discussed.  Hopefully this will cut down on the size of the stacks.
Full transcript HERE

PADILLA: I was introduced to Hoover back when we bailed out Casey in August. And because we have basically a sealed team, we don`t allow outsiders in. And therefore, even though he volunteered to help and all that, he wasn`t accepted.

When we went back this last time, we noticed that he was part of the security or the people that were hanging around the Anthonys. And after I had been there about three or four days, he mentioned to me that he had a film that he had filmed when Dominic called him on the 15th. And I asked him, I says, How can you have a film of the area? He says, Well, Dominic called me on the 15th, told me Caylee had been found. Hoover told me that he asked him, Is she alive? He said, No, she`s dead, but we`re going to go get her right now.

He then -- about two hours later, he showed up again. He had this film, a minute-and-a-half. But it`s not of the exact area where the body was found.

Leonard Padilla, we`ll go to you. You do know so much about this case, you are extremely valuable, and our caller confirmed that.

What do you know about a second computer at all that was taken from the home?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, SEARCHED FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: Well, I don`t know about that. But what I do know is that Hoover`s cell phone, some still photos and the tape, according to what he told one of the media people in Orlando, have been confiscated by the FBI.

So they have that in their -- also, let me explain something. The meter reader on the 11th, 12th and 13th was about 600 yards off. The place where the kids used to congregate is not where they found the body.

They found the body at the end of a fence that comes right off the meter of the two -- hope spring and the street there where the body was found. They found the body at the end of a fence that comes right off the corner of the two, Hope Spring and the street there where the body was found. So they were off by about 600 yards.

When Dominic and Hoover were out there and Hoover was filming, was off by about 200, maybe 30 yards. Rob Dick is the one that can put more precise measurements to it.

CASAREZ: So how is that videotape going to help anybody, then, if it`s not the precise area?

PADILLA: Well, the body had to be found while Casey was in custody, which would have been the 11th, 12th and 13th. The tip had to come from Casey through a daisy chain to an unsuspecting meter reader that he was being used.

When the body wasn`t found because he was off by 600 yards, then the next thing is lay off because Padilla is getting Casey outs of jail. She went back into custody on the 14th of October. Subsequent to my fiasco up at the Little Econ. they sent Dominic and Hoover back out there.

Dominic`s specific -- Hoover says to me, Dominic says we found the body, we`ve got to go get her. Hoover asks him, is she alive, he says no, she is dead. But we have to go out there.

CASAREZ: And when was this? The date?

PADILLA: The 15th and 16th. Now, I saw the film myself. It says the 15th of November on it, but I know that things can be changed and is I know that, you know, these -- these things are for different purposes.

But I`ll tell you why Hoover filmed it, and that is because he was trying to sell it to media people from New York. I saw a lady there that I worked with on a murder/homicide/missing lady case back in Sacramento in `96.

Her purpose of being there is to buy film for NBC. There was another situation that came up where Hoover himself showed it to a couple of the local media people so I don`t know if they copied it or not.

One last thing. Dominic was not working for the attorney back in August when we were there. He was always represented to us as being an employee of the Anthony family. They always tried to get us to go see him, talk to him, meet with him. We never did. But he was always represented as being a private detective, hired by the Anthony family.

We always thought because of the name confusion that he was some kind of relative. He was not working for the attorney in those days.

CASAREZ: And when did the FBI get the videotape and still pictures you`re talking about from Jim Hoover or who took them?

PADILLA: My understanding is that they actually got it from him around the 17th or 18th of December.

CASAREZ: Of December.

PADILLA: Of December, yes. Somewhere in there.

CASAREZ: So they have -- very interesting. Jennifer.

PADILLA: They have the cell phone.

CASAREZ: Yes.

PADILLA: They have his pictures and also some still photos.

CASAREZ: OK.

PADILLA: . that he had. It`s important to them.

Thanks for putting this together....last night's show was one of the craziest I have ever seen....my head was spinning.....Jean acts as though she is part of the defense team.....she really pizzes me off.................LP...well what can I say....he talks crazy and sometimes it even makes sense in a backwards kind of way.....   I wish he was more thorough when he talks and stuck to facts.......it's difficult trying to cull the facts from his suppositions and theories.....one thing we do agree on...Casey killed Caylee and she is going to pay for it...I hope with her life....but life w/o parp;e is also acceptable...IMO

[BooMonkey]

I wonder if one of the reasons the A's have not been to see KC is that knowing what she has done, they can't look at her yet. Of course, this is just me thinking like a normal person so there is probably no merit to that. I could not look at my kid or I would have to strangle them or indict them myself with what came out of my mouth...

I've always thought so. Cindy will throw herself under the bus rather than incriminate Casey, but at the same time, I get the feeling that she never, ever wants to look at her face instead.

I think if Cindy is faced with doing jail time and having a record follow her the rest of her days, she will roll. Cindy had come to grips, before this happened, about her dear daughter. She had gone to counciling, she had checked out what it would take to get custody of Caylee, she had told friends that KC was a sociopath, liar and thief. Only when backed into a corner about Caylee actually being murdered did she go into defense mode. I honestly don't think she could have wrapped her mind around it. Cindy did what she has always done best, deny, deny, deny. Everyone commented on her appearance, she was whithering away under the stress and knowledge that deep down, she KNEW Kc killed Caylee.

[pinkbanana]

Good Morning ALL!!

Have a Safe and Happy New Year!

God BLESS!!

pbxo

[joesamas mama]

Does Casey get blackeyed peas and cabbage for New Years Day dinner?

[jjayinthemorning]

btw, what ever happened to JB's wedding ring[/color] 

Casey swallowed it.

Oh.. you mean while she was... 

Sucking on his apendages. Yes.

[cheeky monkey]

Thanks for answering me.  Good morning Monks.  I'm trying to catch up.  If they didn't suspect/know that Caylee was dead then I just don't understand the Anthony's reluctance to have helped the searchers.  If they disagreed that is fine but it sounded like they were angry that people were searching.  If my loved one were missing and I believed they were alive then great, whatever, search away.  What would searching for a body hurt.  The Anthony's truly haven't seemed to be concerned with the truth.  That is what Caylee deserves.  The truth to be told and known.   I think even for Casey, the best thing for her would be for the truth to come to light.

I really wonder about Baez.  I know he can't force Casey to do anything.  I really hope he advised her well regarding the plea deal that was offered initially.  If that deal was to tell where the body was then I guess I can see why Casey wouldn't have accepted it knowing the tape was wrapped around the head.  However; it just seems like she really missed her opprotunity early on to take some sort of deal.  Even with the tape around the head she could still have used the I staged her body scenario.  Of course, who knows what condition the body was in and I'm sure would have told a great deal more before Caylee was skeletonized. 

I just don't see Casey being smart enough or proactive enough to stage Caylee's body.  The only way I guess I would believe that is if her limbs had also been bound in some manner.  I can't see Casey having taped her head after death initially and I definitly don't think she would have touched a decomposing body any more then she had to.  I think she killed Caylee that first night and then threw her in the trunk.  Went home on the day she borrowed the shovel and used the shovel to break into the shed, maybe to get large trash bags.  I then think she either dumped the body at that point or just left her in the trunk and George later disposed of Caylee.

If she did wrap tape around Caylee's head when she was alive - even if it was just once, there is no way she ever intended to take it off.  Casey is at least smart enough to know how sticky it would be and that it would adhere to Caylee's hair. 

ITA KC knew about the tape around Caylee's head and there is just no explaining that now. She gambled on the body not being found. Very good points made in this post!!  But I don't think GA disposed of the body. He would have done a better job than right around the corner from his home! I think it was all KC, just like her to "drop her off" and be on her way!

It is weird b/c usually it isn't to hard to come to a workable theory in a case.  In this one the people are all so strange and untrustworthy that there are a lot of scenarios that I could see fitting.  I have a couple different reasons that I think George may have disposed of Caylee.  The main reason being, Casey seemed lazy and I could see her having left the body in the trunk in hopes the car would be stolen at the Amscott.  I don't think George would have had time to dispose of Caylee better.  I think he either did it after Cindy left for work that afternoon before he went to work or on the way home from the tow yard. 

I go back and forth between that and Casey just stopped and tossed her in the woods.  I don't think in either case much effort was made to conceal the trash bag.  If so, I think she would have been farther back in the woods then she was found.  I know it was extremely dense looking in the woods and Florida has some nasty snakes but you would think being so close to the house whoever dumped the bag would have made more of an effort to take it further back into the woods.  Even if the water had moved the bag, I doubt it moved it that far.  To me that indicates laziness or a hurried effort on the part of the dumper.  So I could see Casey or George having done it.