Natalee Case Discussion #712 1/12 - 1/16/08

[private eye]

Pauw: Did you never say… Or have you never spoken about burying Natalee Holloway?
Joran: No I have never discussed that with the pollice.

He does not say he didn't talk about it, only that he didn't tell the police.

Pauw: Well these are maybe not the most subtle moments in this conversation but Joran, you visited a psychiatrist because you were lying all the time.
Joran: No… That was not the reason why I visited the psychiatrist. [/[/glow]glow] I’ve been two times to a childrens psychiatrist but that was because we had some things going on within our family...
Anita: I can explain that as well… So you can hear it from my own mouth… Paul was in Holland for the Judges-training and I had to deal with three children in my own… And Joran as many seventeen year olds… I myself work with teens… And uh… he was not the easiest one. Besides that we had problems with… I had some problems with him… That he came home way to late… Uhm… I’m rather strict… Maybe even sometimes I was a little to strict… And at a certain point after talking about it with a friend of mine, maybe it’s good when we have some consults with a youth-psychiatrist. Because I just want that he has a goal in life… that he thinks well what he wants with his life and all this ‘going out’ I just think bad about that. And at that time he started playing poker in the casino and I don’t want my son being in the casino! So I contacted I youth-psychiatrist… He wasn’t 18 yet, he still was seventeen… He went there twice, that’s correct and we had one conlusive-conversation after that. And that was it… So [b]it was really not just about lying[/b]…
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So he was currently seeing a shrink when this happened with Natalee since he was then 17

I thought he was finished with the Quickie Aruban 2-Step Anger Management Program by then.  It must be a Drive-thru. 

well Natalee and the 2 visits occurred in the same year, so were they finished or did this interrupt them? when did he turn 18?

[Nut44x4]

love some of the comments 
Aruba Riba says:
Wel wel, Joran a play tough guy with the wrong guy. *(the rest I can't tell what it says)

butterfly says:
aruba on i am comparti do you opinion y besides my wanted agrega cu i am hanja thing mnr. de vries owing to tell is berdad...joran probably is one sicopata ( one person cu is kill person y is stay cu blood frieuw )....paso his comportashon in the declaration of policy not was cuadra cu a cu ordinarily they will owing to persiguie without base, do not simplemente what the la tell owing to wing my acuity but his comportashon ( body lenguage ) owing to tell much.

Arubanita says:
wel, wel, esta good educa cu the child here is?? is of cual goeie opvoeding the mother is talk of dje? wrong and strong come across

Catrien Goins said:
esta fresco y grocero do you looking at the self is cobando his buraco what could you think of a so without respet y is bay television neither can less his petchi bad as y now is throw bina in cara of the journalist the self is dana for his self y is dana name of aruba foei joran come across *(?????)

more at the link...

[Nut44x4]

August 06, 2005 he turned 18

[private eye]

And this is the boy who Aruban's tough professional police and prosecutors claimed was too tough for them to break, this boy in the video.

                                          US Tourists-
And it is these people who are supposed to keep you safe from the drug lords who live 18 miles across relatively shallow waters and from the airport statistics are the primary visitors to Aruba. All I have to say is enjoy your family vacation, hopefully your own children will hook up with the children of a drug lord while there, or you may even hit the jackpot and your daughter might catch the fancy of a drug lord themselves. I also here there are movie producers there, and your daughter or son might even be discovered by Mr. Pink or Bangbus.com productions. There is certainly a lot of potential there.

You know, you could even hit it bigger, your children might meet what is obviously the first family of Aruba, the Van Der Sloot and their boys, or the edgy Kalpoe brother, shak of shit and shit face. I understand that they only act like Urine's or is it Piss Ant's slaves and that they get mad and hit you if you asked them if they are. Oh yea, and they bottom for him, if you know what I mean, and that explains why they are irritable and walk funny and their breath is so bad.

One word of caution though, please tell your daughters if you let them hang out with him that no matter what he asks them to do, instruct them to do without hesitation because he has an anger management problem and girls last seen with him seem to disappear.

[private eye]

August 06, 2005 he turned 18

I guess it is imposible to tell if he was being treated or not without looking at his records. I wonder did the prosecutor get his records?

[private eye]

August 06, 2005 he turned 18

I guess it is imposible to tell if he was being treated or not without looking at his records. I wonder did the prosecutor get his records?

I would assume now for sure that he broke in prison and confessed. I wonder if anyone  according to Aruban law would have been present when his parents were brought in to comfort him after he broke and would have heard the conversation?

[I dont feel tardy]

my my temper temper. It sure looks like Joran is not held accountable for any of his actions....past or present. His parents look like his "bitches" and are helpless to control him. Its great the world got to see this display of his true nature. what a beast! IMHO
-IDFT

[NM]

Watching the wine throwing segment again.  At the end you can see Joran hightail it out of there.  Is that Valentijn in the background?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5_m5DS_Uw&feature=user

Hey Klaas!
To me it looks like Bendix! Also, too thin for a people of the ditch

[NM]

what does he tell greta about how he got home that night ?

 

He told her Satish picked him up because Deepak was on the computer

I don't remember why he told her he lied about that. Do you, Klaas?

Interviewer:  What was the... there was a discrepancy at some point - - I mean, there've been a lot of reports. It's sort of hard to figure out what is and what isn't... that at one point, you said Deepak gave you a ride home. And it changed to Satish. Can you explain that? Or is there not a discrepancy? 

Joran van der Sloot:  Well, there is a discrepancy there, and I did at one point say that Deepak took me home. But that was at the more point from (unintelligible) we'd always said when we were at our house talking that we'd keep... that we'd keep Satish's little brother out it as much as possible when we'd actually made up the story to say that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn. 

Interviewer:  Why did you want to keep Satish out of it? 

Joran van der Sloot:  I didn't want to. That's what Deepak wanted. He said, yes, you know, whatever, you keep... you know, We'll keep my little brother out of it, and that... yes. That's what we agreed on.

OK, before I really call it a night I'd like to point something out.  Deepak's little brother Satish is OLDER than Joran.  Why all the false protection for Satish?

In (one of) my opinion(s) sk was on computer as dk, providing a cover/alibi for dk, but leaving sk with no cover/alibi.

[klaasend]

Watching the wine throwing segment again.  At the end you can see Joran hightail it out of there.  Is that Valentijn in the background?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5_m5DS_Uw&feature=user

Hey Klaas!
To me it looks like Bendix! Also, too thin for a people of the ditch

This photo of Valentijn is from 4/7/07  - he was pretty tall and skinny then:

[private eye]

Watching the wine throwing segment again.  At the end you can see Joran hightail it out of there.  Is that Valentijn in the background?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5_m5DS_Uw&feature=user

Hey Klaas!
To me it looks like Bendix! Also, too thin for a people of the ditch

This photo of Valentijn is from 4/7/07  - he was pretty tall and skinny then:

I think he is his brother based upon that photo. He looks like a really nice kid, and I think we should always assume that until proven otherwise. I hate that he is having to grow up in this environment and hope he doesn't become a part of this story.

[sirensong]

When I look at the wine throwing incident, I wonder what he was thinking.  It's not a knee-jerk reaction.  A knee-jerk reaction would be if he threw the wine at him when something was said to him that he felt was derogatory.  No one was even provoking him when he threw that wine.  It was premeditated,  Look at his face, he looks like he was thinking, "what can I do to hurt that guy?"  He takes his time with this, he does not do it immediately.Yes, he stops for an instant and looks to the right, as he is getting up, then throws it.  It is weird, like all out of context.  He was raging inside, decided to get revenge, and carefully put the plan in action.  Like stabbing someone in the back.

great point sirensong!!! I never thought of that but you are so correct!!
Not a reaction at all, it was an action. 

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I am so sorry Idstlou, I keep messing up the quotes this way   Yours was a good post, and I didn't mean to make it  look like mine. 

The quote in red in from IDSTLOU!!!

[private eye]

Isn't there another kid standing by him?

[private eye]

Watching the wine throwing segment again.  At the end you can see Joran hightail it out of there.  Is that Valentijn in the background?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5_m5DS_Uw&feature=user

Hey Klaas!
To me it looks like Bendix! Also, too thin for a people of the ditch

This photo of Valentijn is from 4/7/07  - he was pretty tall and skinny then:

I think he is his brother based upon that photo. He looks like a really nice kid, and I think we should always assume that until proven otherwise. I hate that he is having to grow up in this environment and hope he doesn't become a part of this story.

However, I notice RU is attacking Matt, who is just as innocent as Joran's brother, especially the really hateful oriental sounding poster, because Matt is appearing with his Mom. So I guess I need to let RU set the parameters.

[klaasend]

Isn't there another kid standing by him?

In the TV studio photo, I believe that's an adult standing next to what looks like Valentijn.  Remember Joran and Valentijn are pretty tall.

[Tamikosmom]

IN ARUBA THEY ALL THROW WINE:

Joran and the Kalpoes throw wine in the face of an innocent girl, ending her life to save their own.

Paulus van der Sloot throws wine in the face of honesty and morality to save his son and himself from their crimes.

Jan van der Straten and Karin Janssen throw wine in the face of integrity, conducting a crooked investigation to save their friend PaulUs.

AHATA and ATA and their Mafia owners throw wine in the face of the victim and her family to protect their tourism.

The Aruba newspapers (sans Jossy) throws wine in the face of truth by lying to protect their friends the van der Sloots.

The Dutch Judges throw wine in the face of justice to make sure their good friend Paulus and his son go free.


WINE THROWING IS AN ART IN ARUBA.

Dayhiker ... you got it right!

Janet

++++++++++++++++++++++


Paulus van der Sloot
WITTEMAN SHOW
January 12, 2008

Paulus: Well look uhhhh… Mister De Vries can’t hear that good… If he would have listened carefully he would have heard that Joran said that he didn’t have any confidence in the OM (public pros.)! That’s what Joran has said. Joran didn’t talk about the judicial authorities. What you see now.., what has happened is that luckely we have judicial authorities… And we sit here again! So in the end it’s because of the judicial authorities that all has ended well.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

[Nut44x4]

Isn't there another kid standing by him?

In the TV studio photo, I believe that's an adult standing next to what looks like Valentijn.  Remember Joran and Valentijn are pretty tall.

I think it looks like Joran's Holland 'buddy'>>>>

[Nut44x4]

the guy in the middle

I also think that is Val...the 'stance' is very familiar.

[Dayhiker]

MF Posts at RU

From DIARIO (14-01-08)

After this was already published last week, I guess DIARIO could not hide any longer from his readers:

Aruba Airport Authority (AAA) is reporting record results for 2007.
The last quarter compared to 2006 saw an increase of 19.9% in passenger traffic and 26% airtraffic.

The passenger traffic grew in October with 16.4%, in November with 18.3% and in December with 24.6% compared to 2006.

Airtraffic grew with 15% in Oktober, 18.4% in November and 36.5% in December 2007.

For 2007, AAA is reporting a total increase of 11.7% in passengers and a total of 8.1% in airtraffic.

Individually the market increased during the last quarter with the following percentage:

USA: 8.5%
Netherlands Antilles: 19.7%
Europe: 21.7%

ALL IS NOT ROSY FOR ARUBA. ATA HAS NOT REPORTED TOURIST ARRIVALS AND NIGHTS SPENT FOR 7 MONTHS, SINCE JULY OF 2007. CRUISE PASSENGER ARRIVALS CONTINUE TO BE IN STEEP DECLINE. THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX CONTINUES TO RISE OUT THE ROOF. THE AVERAGE ARUBAN IS PAYING THE PRICE FOR THE GOVERNMENT'S CORRUPTION.


Summary bulletin of the Central Bank of Aruba for November 2007

January 11, 2008

The Aruba Tourism Authority has not yet published the data on tourist arrivals and nights spent on the island for August up to and including November 2007. Also, data on the average occupancy rate of hotels for November 2007 have not been published by the Central Bureau of Statistics. Cruise Tourism Authority data indicate that both the number of cruise passengers and ship calls declined by, respectively, 10.4 percent and 22.2 percent in November 2007, compared to the corresponding month of 2006.

In November 2007, the consumer price index went up by 8.6 percent compared to the corresponding month in 2006, reflecting largely increases in prices for water and electricity of 25.2 percent and 22.4 percent, respectively. Moreover, prices of food products and gasoline rose by 10.1 percent and 13.5 percent, respectively. The annual average inflation rate accelerated to 5.4 percent, up from 3.7 percent in November 2006. The inflation differential with Aruba’s major trading partner, the United States, widened to 2.6 percentage points, up from 0.4 percentage point in November 2006.


From October 2007

The Aruba Tourism Authority has not yet published the data on tourist arrivals and nights spent on the island for August, September and October 2007. Data on the average occupancy rate of hotels for October 2007 show an increase of 2.4 percentage points to 75.9 percent compared to October 2006. Cruise Tourism Authority data indicate that both the number of cruise passengers and ship calls contracted by, respectively, 44.4 percent and 45.2 percent in October 2007, compared to the corresponding month of 2006. In October 2007, the consumer price index increased by 7.3 percent.

[klaasend]

Good catch NUT - could be: