Natalee Case Discussion #712 1/12 - 1/16/08

[Magnolia]

zzzzzz...I am feeling so invisible lately!!! 
Well night all anyhoo

Nite, Lisa.  I heard every word you said.

[private eye]

zzzzzz...I am feeling so invisible lately!!! 
Well night all anyhoo

Nite, Lisa.  I heard every word you said.

Make that 2 of us:)))))))

[BUCKSHOT]

JORAN and family most definitely were on a PR campaign, as was (prior to this interview) their goal for the near future. They surely felt (a false sense of) legitimacy (in a corrupted investigation), having been recently released as suspects in the disappearance of NATALEE HOLLOWAY. DE VRIES has never been an ally of JVDS, nor been soft on questioning him in his role in the disappearance.  I agree that certain buttons were pushed and JVDS struggled to suppress his violent streak.  Then, as published, IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE, JORAN (probably thinking he was completely off camera) seized his opportunity to RAGE.

The VAN DER SLOOTS can not be happy, after the off-air segment has been broadcast, via internet, to many people.  It surely will do damage to their efforts to paint him as a poster child.  In fact, aside from negating the whole interview, it has actually allowed many to see a side of him that has been sheltered / covered.  People will think... hmmm... if he can RAGE so quickly in this situation, what level of RAGE did he put on display that fateful evening with NATALEE HOLLOWAY ???

DE VRIES, out of revenge, and in searching for the truth, should focus the next several years of his career on trailing JORAN and his explosive behavior.  Wonder what thoughts bounce around in JORAN's head on a daily basis... His own demons (from that fateful evening) will eat at him for years and years to come. KARMA - WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND !!!

[Dayhiker]

Though billed as his last interview I doubt he'll be able to keep his mouth shut. Sooner or later somebody's gonna put a fist down his throat that'll send his teeth flying out his ass.

I bet we could raise a fortune if we auctioned that right to the highest bidder:))))))))))

Count on me being on the front row, PI.

[AZSunny]

Beth has gone into the lion's den (of the media) MANY times now and always does well. I don't think that Beth shouldn't DO it... she has kept Greta's numbers afloat for 2 1/2 years... but I call into question the agenda that Oprah has in doing this NOW, after the fact, basically... It speaks volumes to me that it didn't happen until Joran was released from suspect status, and then IMMEDIATELY thereafter.

You watch and see if there isn't a heavy accident/someone else did it slant in that show.

ARUBA and the THUGS who run it DO NOT WANT A CRIME TO HAVE BEEN COMMITTED HERE and the left and the mob in Europe and the US is 100% COMPLICIT in this.

SB,  rather than slam Ophra and whatever intent she has to have Beth on the show, why don't you just wait and see?  I do hope that Beth will open up more, and not keep repeating the same thing, or at least Ophra will ask more interesting questions.  This is a great opportunity for Beth with a wide audience.  Am I an Ophra fan?  I don't know, I don't remember ever watching the show..but it does give Beth and her story more air time.  Get off the slam, and just let it happen!  This is Beth's decision. All the shows, Greta and all included, are out for ratings!  Isnt' that a given yet?  It is still an opportunity for Beth to take to the airways...and let's take every opportunity that gives us this kind of market.  Why do you think we hit the travel shows...every little bit matters. 

[Dayhiker]

JORAN and family most definitely were on a PR campaign, as was (prior to this interview) their goal for the near future. They surely felt (a false sense of) legitimacy (in a corrupted investigation), having been recently released as suspects in the disappearance of NATALEE HOLLOWAY. DE VRIES has never been an ally of JVDS, nor been soft on questioning him in his role in the disappearance.  I agree that certain buttons were pushed and JVDS struggled to suppress his violent streak.  Then, as published, IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE, JORAN (probably thinking he was completely off camera) seized his opportunity to RAGE.

The VAN DER SLOOTS can not be happy, after the off-air segment has been broadcast, via internet, to many people.  It surely will do damage to their efforts to paint him as a poster child.  In fact, aside from negating the whole interview, it has actually allowed many to see a side of him that has been sheltered / covered.  People will think... hmmm... if he can RAGE so quickly in this situation, what level of RAGE did he put on display that fateful evening with NATALEE HOLLOWAY ???

DE VRIES, out of revenge, and in searching for the truth, should focus the next several years of his career on trailing JORAN and his explosive behavior.  Wonder what thoughts bounce around in JORAN's head on a daily basis... His own demons (from that fateful evening) will eat at him for years and years to come. KARMA - WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND !!!

Exactly Buckshot. He shows all the signs of being on a death trip. All he had to do was walk away from that interview but in three seconds he destroyed everything his parents had set up for him. He doesn't care about them, he doesn't care about anyone but himself and he showed the world what a reckless, angry, out of control jackass he is.

[Magnolia]

Though billed as his last interview I doubt he'll be able to keep his mouth shut. Sooner or later somebody's gonna put a fist down his throat that'll send his teeth flying out his ass.

I bet we could raise a fortune if we auctioned that right to the highest bidder:))))))))))

Count on me being on the front row, PI.

And second prize is getting to do the same to Renho.

[Tylergal]

SB, you and Tyler are just Rpublicans.

I will withold judgement until I see the show.

Realism has little to do with anything else.  I never knew about Oprah's politics until she recently endorsed Obama, but I have always seen that chip on her shoulder and her advancing the lowest common denominator of our society.  If Jerry Springer were prettier, his ratings and Oprah's would be the same; they have a similar agenda.

[AZSunny]

Does anyone else see this when looking at pvds?
All his facial features are in the lower 1/3 of his face.

More like JVDS to me

Ma ma.  Ma ma.

lol Klaas you are the fastest photoshopper in the West! and everywhere!

Klaas, you just determined tonights nightmare...that is so frightening to me. (and I really don't have many dreams!)  oh please...not tonight!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Private Eye, your family is so lucky to have you! You seem to be such a good man.
I also hope that Anita reads your messages to her. You are so on the money.
I also agree that the Lord provided for both Beth and Oprah with this incident. I do not mean any disrespect by saying this is enjoyable to watch. After so long, it is just so much fun seeing the light shining on the darkness. 

I assure you I get more than I give to my family, and I am certainly no different or better than the next guy, and sometimes I am sure I might be worse:). Father, Mother, brothers, sisters, cousins, and inlaws, I have no complaints, even though I might bitch from time to time. However, I have never met anyone whom I would trade lives or families with, so I consider myself blessed.

 I knew the day Beth was first told of Natalee's disappearance that somebody had picked a fight with a girl who was prepared since birth for this fight and more than up for the challenge. She knows her Dad and family would have stopped the world until they found out what happened to her, taking no prisoners and pulling no punches, and by God she is going to do the same for her little girl. Maybe some can compalin about her methods, she certainly has never meant to harm the innocent and I am sure she has made some innocent mistakes as anyone actually working will do, but no one can doubt her maternal drive to protect her children. She was raised to believe that your children's welfare is the only thing that matters in the end and her most important job.

 Sometimes I wish she would say I'm tired and let her friends handle Joran, but I believe she is giving him more than he can handle, and doing it her way she can still get into heaven:)

When she told Aruba she would be Natalee's voice asking for justice until she breathed her last breath, she meant just that. She is in this for the long haul, so Aruba, pace yourself and be warned. It won't go away until you give her what she deserves, "Justice for Natalee."

I'm behind, but thumbs up to this...Yes!

[NM]

NM posted earlier that SK was posing as DK late that evening in chat(s).

I believe this 100%.

Deepak uses chat(s) as his alibi that night.
Satish has no alibi that evening, thus he was SLEEPING.

I don't doubt that either.I think he jumped on MSN to create his alibi,stayed up all night with Mama Kalpoe and they both slept until 1:30 like his last PV says. Question is where was Deepak?

Hi Obs,
wherever jurin was. If dk told ale that jurin hit Natalee and Natalee died in a bad way then why doesn't he roll on jurin or ale get jurin? oh, maybe he did roll on jurin and pvds and friends will not let that happen.

[Dayhiker]

I am mazed reading at other sites that they are saying that the video of him throwing the wine should not be available to the public...

Good luck to them on that one, lol! It has only appeared on every major and minor network but is all over the internet, forever burned into countless millions of brain cells all over the world.

[BUCKSHOT]

OPRAH definitely has an audience, as proven by TV ratings.

BETH appearing on her show will, without a doubt, reach many viewers.  

This has the opportunity to expose a lot of information. I have no opinion on OPRAH, as a person or talk show host.  I hope the platform she gives BETH is used to the fullest in accomplishing whatever she wishes.  TUNE IN !!!

[Dayhiker]

If Greta had interviewed him PROPERLY -- she too would have been doused.

Nope, she's female. He would have raped her, killed her, and disposed of her body with the help of his father and every Dutch judge in Curacao..

[Tamikosmom]

Second, where is Taco?  hehe Someone else mentioned that if we don't hear from him we'll know he's off the payroll.

I said that Memphis and will be glued to Greta tonight to (A) see if she even covers it since joran is her golden boy and (B) if she does whether Taco will be there to defend the indefensible.

We'll see whether the Mafia has cut the money spigot off now that Joran has been released.

Greta is in the middle east with the President.  I doubt she'll be covering it.

Has "On the Record" with Greta's guest host happened yet?  Please post any updates in the Matthew Wilson thread in the Missing Persons section.

Thank you.

Janet

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http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/13/3608/

Comment by Greta Van Susteren
January 13th, 2008 at 9:11 am

I am in the Middle East but I am monitoring Matthew Wilson case….we were going to do it Friday but then ran into breaking news….I have a guest host Monday and perhaps he/she will do this…

Cathy's daughter was suppose to be on Friday when Cathy was on Dana Pretzer's show. So hopefully Monday.

[private eye]

Beth has gone into the lion's den (of the media) MANY times now and always does well. I don't think that Beth shouldn't DO it... she has kept Greta's numbers afloat for 2 1/2 years... but I call into question the agenda that Oprah has in doing this NOW, after the fact, basically... It speaks volumes to me that it didn't happen until Joran was released from suspect status, and then IMMEDIATELY thereafter.

You watch and see if there isn't a heavy accident/someone else did it slant in that show.

ARUBA and the THUGS who run it DO NOT WANT A CRIME TO HAVE BEEN COMMITTED HERE and the left and the mob in Europe and the US is 100% COMPLICIT in this.

SB,  rather than slam Ophra and whatever intent she has to have Beth on the show, why don't you just wait and see?  I do hope that Beth will open up more, and not keep repeating the same thing, or at least Ophra will ask more interesting questions.  This is a great opportunity for Beth with a wide audience.  Am I an Ophra fan?  I don't know, I don't remember ever watching the show..but it does give Beth and her story more air time.  Get off the slam, and just let it happen!  This is Beth's decision. All the shows, Greta and all included, are out for ratings!  Isnt' that a given yet?  It is still an opportunity for Beth to take to the airways...and let's take every opportunity that gives us this kind of market.  Why do you think we hit the travel shows...every little bit matters. 

I agree 100%. Maybe the "Why II Believe Joran Is Involved And A Cover Up Occurred" followed up by "20 Reason To Boycott Aruba Beginning With The Safety Of Your Own Family." Oprah is providing Beth a huge opportunity and we can really asks no more.

But if Beth is reading, just relax, be yourself, step up to the plate, and hit the ball squarely. No pressure, don't swing for the fence, just meet the ball and you will do great. Your position is one of right, and right is always might:))))))))))) Natalee is surely cheering you on!!!!!!!!!!!!

[klaasend]

OPRAH definitely has an audience, as proven by TV ratings.

BETH appearing on her show will, without a doubt, reach many viewers.  

This has the opportunity to expose a lot of information. I have no opinion on OPRAH, as a person or talk show host.  I hope the platform she gives BETH is used to the fullest in accomplishing whatever she wishes.  TUNE IN !!!

YEP 

[Dayhiker]

Indicative of a lenient socialist/near-communist society that will remove this.  This is where the rubber meets the road on "freedom of speech/press, etc."

Near Communist is right, Tyler. Their judicial system is virtually no different from a Communist system. Totally closed, totally opaque, and unaswerable to no one.

[NM]

http://travel.webshots.com:80/album/549377093ygMAui

A year and 9 months after I uploaded to Webshots, the Natalee Holloway search photos from the CoolAruba site is still getting views.  111 views this week, that's amazing.  The album is #391 out of over 18,000 albums.   

Wow Klaas that is great!  It is amazing.  And I never can get the words to say how truly wonderful you are and how great is the work that you do for Natalee, SM and us. Thank you.

[BUCKSHOT]

Pardon me for the off the wall comment, but...

A week or so ago, a poster had suggested the possibility of NATALEE vomiting, while in the car, on JORAN.  

I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE, but I have considered it as possibilty, along with (sorry for being GRAPHIC) NATALEE, in defending herself, biting (crotch) / kicking / puching her captor(s).