Natalee Case Discussion #712 1/12 - 1/16/08

[Blue Moon]

Sure it wasn't "the tape" sent to Jonathan and Medley??

Yes, that is the one.

He mentioned this wasn't about finding Natalee's body,this was about clearing the names of Joran,Satish and Deepak 

Persistence must be near the location of Natalee's body.  Sounds like some have pulled out the BIG guns now.

[San]

Posted by MF at RU (I think it was on Telearuba, not sure)

Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

This pertains to what was shown on Telearuba tonight and what is posted on ArubaZone.

As much as I hate to do this, because it's all BS, here is the ArubaZone link to what they are talking about.  These people were also LIVE on Telearuba tonight.  Listen to the audio link:

http://www.aruba-zone.com/

Prepare to be pissed 

These people passed this off as some breaking news? I am trying to control myself from laughing at their stupidity. Hey guys, there are meds for what ails you!

I have just listened to the stupid and insane rambling of what was on Aruba Zone and have just a couple things to say to these fools. These idiots talk like they actually have a clue, OMG ... I have never heard more stupid conclusions in my life.

Maybe there is a reason why no one listened to any of you ... BECAUSE YOU ARE INSANE!!!
I can't even begin to go and analyze ever foolish conclusion. But here is a simple one. When you enter a foreign country, you have basically two choices to put on the immigration card ... business or vacation ... you dumb asses!

If you were to look at my immigration card when I went to Aruba to aide TES in searching for Natalee in the garage dump, my card said "vacation" on it. What does that mean, that I was on vacation too? What a bunch of illiterate stupid fools.
Madison)
After listening to the ramblings on Aruba Zone I am reminded of the following (from movie Billy :

Daniel, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Thanks for the voice of reason Red, I've been too pissed to type.

I have one thing to say.  I'm not any dumber because I didn't listen to it.   

[San]

[snoopy]

Unbelievable pathetic disgraceful laughable loser idiots!

What part of "stuck on stupid" don't they understand.  Nobody's buying it.

Seriously shaking my head..........

 

[Magnolia]

If you notice...everything the nutcase was saying on the tape
was the same stuff that Renfro and the other crones have
been saying since the beginning.  Psychic, my foot.
Patsy for Renfro and company is more like it.

[Observer]

The evil one is still hard at work. I am absolutely convinced this heartless soul has been behind this cover up since the very beginning. His press conference today and backing up these lies confirms what many of us have thought.

[dennisintn]

http://www.freedomofblog.com/forum29/751-1.html

Castillo and Young contacted Beth later on and told her all what they found out on the island, and Beth did not like that and she told them that she is no longer interested who were the last people with Natalee, she just wanted revenge on the island and the three suspects punished.

The ALE has all the recordings and statements made by Castillo and Young while they met the Twitty's,

"The following is an interesting email sent to Associated Press. It is self explanatory. Does it have validity? I don't know, but if we could hear that recording it would certainly be interesting."


To Whom This May Concern,
Quote:

I am writing this letter to put an end to all of the speculation of what happened to Natalee Holloway. My name is Kelly Castillo. This letter is from myself and Daniel Young; we work together and are put in a category of being a "medium". We are able to communicate with people that have passed away, and we help bring comfort or messages to people still living with the help from our Indian spirit guides. We take what we do very serious because we are dealing with peoples lives. This letter is not about us; it is for the truth to come out about what happened to Natalee Holloway, and to clear a wonderful family's ruined reputation since they have been under attack and used as a scape goat to hide the real truth in other homes.

Everything that I am about to tell you has been told face to face to: The Aruba Police, State Prosecutor Karin Janssen, and many reporters from the newspaper, Aruba Today.

To make a long story short we were asked by Beth Twitty to go to Aruba back in December to find Natalee. We went at our own expense. Many things transpired and the bottom line is she did not want to hear what we found out. At that time we could not understand why, but after going back to Aruba a week ago and sharing the information that we had, we found out. We got validation on every name that we gave of the people that Natalee was last with. It was apparent that Beth did not want to hear what we had to say, because she has been lying from the very beginning about what happened to her daughter in order to hide her own dark secret in her home!

Natalee called her mother before she was due to leave the island saying that she was not going to be coming back home to Alabama. The story of Natalee missing her flight and Beth coming to Aruba is false. Natalee called Beth from her cell phone while Beth was already in route on a private plane telling her mother not to come to Aruba because Natalee would not be coming home. Natalee has tried to run away before, and she was being molested by her stepfather Jug Twitty and she was pregnant. She left everything behind, including her cell phone, so that she would not be found. Natalee's roommate packed her suitcase and it was at the airport waiting for her, thinking that she would change her mind but as we all know she did not.

Joran Van Der sloot was not the last person with Natalee. Beth has only been going after Joran and his family because she believe Joran was helping Natalee hide. He dropped her off at the fisherman's hut like he said, and afterwards she was befriended by a guy named Marlon. He crossed our path while we were in Aruba the first time and when we told Beth that we are able to ID the guy that was with Natalee after Joran dropped her off, she said, "I don't care who was with my daughter last!". We have that conversation tape recorded and it has been played to Karin Janssen, who was blown away by that comment. This made sense to Karin. She had a poster to show us which was only seen in Aruba that Beth put up when she first got there. It did not say "MISSING", it said "NATALEE", with a note from her for Natalee to call her. If your child was really missing wouldn't you make a poster saying "please anyone if you have seen this girl please call the police?" Reporters told us of a statement that Beth gave on the Aruba TV where Beth was saying, "Natalee please call me we can work out our problems." No one in America saw that.

There is also a tape of Natalee and a guy named Michael at the Windam Hotel buying a necklace and having an argument day's, maybe weeks, after she had allegedly gone missing. All the while the country is spending money searching for her. The guy named Michael on the video tape, was a bouncer and Carlos and Charlies. He was tortured, murdered, and his body burnt the week of April 3rd while we were in Aruba. That story did not come to America either. We also know that Natalee called Beth about fifteen day's after her being "missing" from Michael's cell phone telling Beth again to go home, and that Natalee was not going with her.

We gave the names of many people that Natalee hung out with and partied with during her last weeks alive , we also told them of a guy named scooby that if they would bring in would talk and all names were validated by everyone that we talked to. .We took the police right to the spot where her body was at the other end of the island and Dennis Jacobs was going to send a team out the following morning with dogs? No one killed her. She died of an over dose and we know the house that she was in when she died and also, that she was buried and reburied.(does a CBS 48 hour story sound a little similar?) There are many people who were with her and saw her on the island. No one has come forward because of the fear of the drug issue. It is so much easier to let Joran take the blame, since people saw her leave with him and the other boys.

We were told by the Police about a bar bill of $16,000 that was drunk by Beth and her friends as they stayed for free at the Holiday Inn because the hotel felt so bad for her missing daughter. DOES THAT SOUND A LITTLE OUT OF CHARACTER FOR A MOTHER DISTRAUGHT LOOKING FOR HER DAUGHTER? The same story played out at the Windam Hotel as well, and this was confirmed by many other locals on the island that Beth and her friend's acting like they were on vacation.

In America it seems to be that about 9 out of 10 times when a child is missing or murdered, the first place the police looks at is the family. Since this took place in a foreign country, Aruba opened their hearts and spent so much time and money searching for a missing girl, who just ran away from a dark secret she had been hiding, and wanted to get away from. It is too bad that no one thought to check if there were any family problems in the Twitty household, because you just never know what goes on behind closed doors. We have so much more information, and our story was posted in the Bondia news paper on April 10Th. It was supposed to be in the Aruba Today in English the following day, but did not happen. Here is the link to that article.( http://www.arubacentral.com/newspaper/bondia/April/10/A-10-04-2006.pdf )

All of the above information that I stated is the absolute truth and can be proven. why eles would two people be able to travel to Aruba give names of people that they have never met? and then with all the information that was given to them all, Karin Janssen, Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers, and other Police officers and lead reporters on the case, why would Karin Janssen       ** Banned **



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Are they trying to say the ALE and everyone didn't investigate this...or to they forget to mention they were less than credible??
      

there's nothing here that hasn't been tried before.  the minister of justice withheld from the police information that he's had for over a year and a half?  surely ahata and ata are stupid enough to pay these clowns to do this.  they've got everything but godzilla, elvis, and alien space craft in here.  oh, wait, they introduced pics of the "flying saucers" today, guess that's coming next.  now tell me how americans, or anybody else, for that matter, would put their lives and their family's lives in the hands of people who's leaders get away with this kind of foolishness and stupidity.  aruba is rapidly becoming the laughing stock of the caribbean, as well as the world.

dennisintn

[Blue Moon]

Maybe this tape should be played for people BEFORE they enter the travel shows just so they understand the choice they are about to make

[dennisintn]

The evil one is still hard at work. I am absolutely convinced this heartless soul has been behind this cover up since the very beginning.

is there a psychiatric hospital on aruba?  or is rudy going to have to go off island for treatment? 
dennisintn

[Altruist]

Did read the propaganda promotor's posts at Oprah.com & it continues with it's repeating of nonsense to attempt to defame Natalee's family. 

It just further demonstrates the safety factor the degenerates want ignored so that the VICTIM BASE will not be totally lost.  Am more sure than ever that 3rd world status is above what that hellhole rock contains in plain view as behind the facade.  It is a very dangerous place & there is safety NOT.

Persons who operate legally as well as decently better get away from that place for they will be feeding on them next as the VICTIM BASE decreases.  It appears the only safety will be only for those who are criminal.

Innocents I pray for your safety & ability to leave before they harm you, for they will.  For God's sake you have to have the Gov't permission to arm yourself which means you have to be either owed favors or owing favors to protect yourself & be legally allowed to protect yourself & your family, otherwise you pose a threat to the criminals in authority.

These degenerates will just repeat defaming victim's & their families until the degenerates are put to an end.

It's a very sick & dangerous environment, which is what it would have to be for a group like the Stoolscum to prosper for they have not an ounce of ethics or morals amongst them.

[Tamikosmom]

Posted by MF at RU (I think it was on Telearuba, not sure)

Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

This pertains to what was shown on Telearuba tonight and what is posted on ArubaZone.

As much as I hate to do this, because it's all BS, here is the ArubaZone link to what they are talking about.  These people were also LIVE on Telearuba tonight.  Listen to the audio link:

http://www.aruba-zone.com/

Prepare to be pissed 

I am.   

Janet

[San]

The evil one is still hard at work. I am absolutely convinced this heartless soul has been behind this cover up since the very beginning.

You and everyone else is convinced this monster was behind this coverup.

These games he is playing are childs play.  He never fooled me once and he never will.  I will run circles around him with everything he comes up with.  As soon as a move comes from Aruba just take a step back and think to yourself why.  Just like he did in November.  It was clear as day it was a trick.

[Red]

Posted by MF at RU (I think it was on Telearuba, not sure)

Minister of Justice is asking to investigate NH further.

Rudy Croes is asking Prosecutor's Office and the Police to further investigate the Natalee Holloway case since, some people went public with informations, tips and evidence about the family and he is telling that their evidence is valid and they have been known for a long time already. This is just to clear up what really happened the first days and what the family knew or not.

This pertains to what was shown on Telearuba tonight and what is posted on ArubaZone.

As much as I hate to do this, because it's all BS, here is the ArubaZone link to what they are talking about.  These people were also LIVE on Telearuba tonight.  Listen to the audio link:

http://www.aruba-zone.com/

Prepare to be pissed 

These people passed this off as some breaking news? I am trying to control myself from laughing at their stupidity. Hey guys, there are meds for what ails you!

I have just listened to the stupid and insane rambling of what was on Aruba Zone and have just a couple things to say to these fools. These idiots talk like they actually have a clue, OMG ... I have never heard more stupid conclusions in my life.

Maybe there is a reason why no one listened to any of you ... BECAUSE YOU ARE INSANE!!!
I can't even begin to go and analyze ever foolish conclusion. But here is a simple one. When you enter a foreign country, you have basically two choices to put on the immigration card ... business or vacation ... you dumb asses!

If you were to look at my immigration card when I went to Aruba to aide TES in searching for Natalee in the garage dump, my card said "vacation" on it. What does that mean, that I was on vacation too? What a bunch of illiterate stupid fools.
Madison)
After listening to the ramblings on Aruba Zone I am reminded of the following (from movie Billy :

Daniel, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Thanks for the voice of reason Red, I've been too pissed to type.

I have one thing to say.  I'm not any dumber because I didn't listen to it.   

I am going to have to invent a time machine, just so I can go back in time and erase the fact that I wasted 17 minutes of my life. Where's a Delorian when you need one?

There is a reason why sleuthing, investigating and the use of deductive reasoning are left to those without mental disease.

The audio on ArubaZone is proof positive.

[private eye]

These are post from RU referencing and quoting Carol. I don't believe she stated what she was accused of doing. As a school teacher, she is required by law to report all suspected cases of child abuse, and she taught where Natalee went to high school.

BhamMom Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:59 pm   

HannieC wrote:
Why, who is she Bham?


One of Beth's friends that was with her at the beginning of the summer. She arrived on Friday after Beth got there Monday night. In reading Beth's book, she didn't tell exactly how long she stayed but it appears she was there a long while with Beth. She is the one at the MB Board of Education that hired Beth and they became good friends.


gwen wrote:
A friend of the girl's mother, Beth Twitty, who traveled to Aruba with her this week said Twitty was upset by the decision.

"She was getting her life back to normal before all this happened," Carol Standiser said. "It would have been better to let things go the way they were going."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071201/D8T8KE200.html

[Red]

Let's debunk another stupid conclusion.

All of the Mountain Brook teens should have been made to stay on the island.

OK folks, a girl goes missing on a foreign island and your child is one on the trip. Who isn't going to insist you get your children off the hell whole? Unless the police put a moratorium on travel, who isn't going to want their child a way from a place where obviously something bad happened?

[texasmom]

The evil one is still hard at work. I am absolutely convinced this heartless soul has been behind this cover up since the very beginning. His press conference today and backing up these lies confirms what many of us have thought.

I agree *******. 

[Observer]

Sure it wasn't "the tape" sent to Jonathan and Medley??

Yes, that is the one.

He mentioned this wasn't about finding Natalee's body,this was about clearing the names of Joran,Satish and Deepak 

Persistence must be near the location of Natalee's body.  Sounds like some have pulled out the BIG guns now.

Either that or the Minister of Justice is worried about something. Perhaps the FBI or was this all to counter Oprah's show?

[klaasend]

Let's debunk another stupid conclusion.

All of the Mountain Brook teens should have been made to stay on the island.

OK folks, a girl goes missing on a foreign island and your child is one on the trip. Who isn't going to insist you get your children off the hell whole? Unless the police put a moratorium on travel, who isn't going to want their child a way from a place where obviously something bad happened?

Well if they should have been made to stay, ALE screwed up again.  They had tickets and were boarding the plane and at that time all they knew is Natalee hadn't showed up.  They didn't know how bad things were.  What were they supposed to do?

[Tylergal]

Juggs???  You'd think psychics could at least get his name right if nothing else.

Why doesn't Rudy Croes himself go on live and validate all this along with the Prosecutor?  Anyone in an official capacity instead of these two clowns?

And the things they say are proof of zilch about Beth. 

Yes, this is why I will never go to Aruba again, not that it was so great the first time but who would want to be around people who do things like this?

We know Julia made that Hootie poster and even those asking the questions in the background knew that.  Well, sounds like the typical trying to make a name for themselves routine that we have seen so often in this fiasco.

Yes, don't look at Joran flinging poo wine and don't watch Oprah, Aruba, listen to the nutcases instead.

I wonder now how they reconcile Joran saying Natalee was a virgin with these 2 paid hacks saying she was pregnant?  Mind-boggling.  Maybe Natalee has been chosen to deliver the second coming of Christ and we are all just wrong.  There are very few times I believe Joran, in fact, maybe only 4-5 but I agree with him when he first said he would vouch Natalee was a virgin.

[Lala'sMom]

The evil one is still hard at work. I am absolutely convinced this heartless soul has been behind this cover up since the very beginning. His press conference today and backing up these lies confirms what many of us have thought.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed