Natalee Case Discussion #712 1/12 - 1/16/08

[robots]

what i find most interesting is that the GENERAL public is more concerned about joran throwing wine at someone then him telling lie after lie and changing stories
with 2 other killers to the police for month after month when it was concerning a missing girl.

it reminds me of when the general public was more outraged when a killer gave the finger to the camera and the public was outaged more about that then about the killing of the i think it was a young girl that he was convicted of

im not talking about us... im talking about the un informed public


but thats just me 

[Tamikosmom]

Well, a person can only go so far in blaming the parents. Sometimes, even the best parents will have children who do wrong.
...

I agree Kat.  However ... it is not a matter of blaming parents.  The issue is parents defending their children when they have done wrong.

If a child has been taught by his/her parents regarding the boundaries that define right and wrong and ... then choose to do wrong nevertheless ... he/she must not be shielded from the consequences.

The prayer of parents in this situation is that their precious child will learn from taking personal responsibility for his/her actions of wrongoing and ... return to the foundation which parents have established for his/her benefit and the benefit of others.  Unfortunately ... that does not always happen.

My hubby and I were fortunate.  It did not happen overnight ... it was a gradual transformation that took place over a few years but ... our son did learn valuable lessons through consequences and ... he did return.

Janet

[Anna]

CBS Coverage

http://www.cbs8.com/stories/story.114534.html

[Tamikosmom]

USA Today's coverage with photo of Joran in Aruba

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-01-12-vandersloot-tvappearance_N.htm?csp=34

Thanks Anna.

[Magnolia]

what i find most interesting is that the GENERAL public is more concerned about joran throwing wine at someone then him telling lie after lie and changing stories
with 2 other killers to the police for month after month when it was concerning a missing girl.

it reminds me of when the general public was more outraged when a killer gave the finger to the camera and the public was outaged more about that then about the killing of the i think it was a young girl that he was convicted of

im not talking about us... im talking about the un informed public

but thats just me 

Robots....I disagree with you a little bit.  I think that most people know
that they have lied repeatedly and just see the latest incident as
confirmation of Joran's disturbed personality.  Most of the general public
that I run into think it was a big Aruban coverup and J2K are guilty
and Paulus had some hand in it all.
But that's just me.   

[Tamikosmom]

In the past ... Joran has been abetted by the adults in his life in wrongdoing.  He was not taught that legal boundaries were established for his benefit and the benefit of others.  On top of that ... the adults in his life have shielded him from the consequences of the negative outcome of his actions.

Considering that lessons are not being learned by Joran through consequences ... I believe that "other Natalee" are at risk and ... it is only a matter of time.

Janet

++++++++++++++

John Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 11, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.  I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

[robots]

what i find most interesting is that the GENERAL public is more concerned about joran throwing wine at someone then him telling lie after lie and changing stories
with 2 other killers to the police for month after month when it was concerning a missing girl.

it reminds me of when the general public was more outraged when a killer gave the finger to the camera and the public was outaged more about that then about the killing of the i think it was a young girl that he was convicted of

im not talking about us... im talking about the un informed public

but thats just me 

Robots....I disagree with you a little bit.  I think that most people know
that they have lied repeatedly and just see the latest incident as
confirmation of Joran's disturbed personality.  Most of the general public
that I run into think it was a big Aruban coverup and J2K are guilty
and Paulus had some hand in it all.
But that's just me.   

yes, you could be right

but other than a small minority most people just dont seem to care

but when they see something like this.. it does help for them to see the big picture

and that is that joran is a killer STILL on the loose

[bleachedblack]

aruba oujda morocco nigeria jawharati christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4bwU5Pj52U

[klaasend]

aruba oujda morocco nigeria jawharati christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4bwU5Pj52U

Not sure that's the same Aruba    Notice some of his other videos appear to be in Arabic.

[bleachedblack]

aruba oujda morocco nigeria jawharati christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4bwU5Pj52U

Not sure that's the same Aruba    Notice some of his other videos appear to be in Arabic.

 
couldn't resist to comment anyway. But if this lovely clip doesn't make you want to  travel to aruba pronto nothing will.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ASNhNnCZU

[klaasend]

aruba oujda morocco nigeria jawharati christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4bwU5Pj52U

Not sure that's the same Aruba    Notice some of his other videos appear to be in Arabic.

 
couldn't resist to comment anyway. But if this lovely clip doesn't make you want to  travel to aruba pronto nothing will.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ASNhNnCZU

Are those tourist stores or was that a swap meet?  LOL   

[bleachedblack]

Klaasend wrote;

Are those tourist stores or was that a swap meet?  LOL

Good question.......after the poor guy panned his camera around and saw the lovely seaport, I'm suprised he got off the boat. I couldn't resist asking if Aruba tourism made this video.

[hotping]

Looks more like a swap meet in MO....I'll Take Maui anyday....LOL

[bleachedblack]

Looks more like a swap meet in MO....I'll Take Maui anyday....LOL

Silly you!!! Do you mean this seaport doesn't look the same?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc769n8Zf8A

[klaasend]

Looks more like a swap meet in MO....I'll Take Maui anyday....LOL

Silly you!!! Do you mean this seaport doesn't look the same?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc769n8Zf8A

ROFLMAO - your comments are cracking me up 

[hotping]

Well I have to admit I did have a little valium when I flew into Maui...so I could be wrong.....LOL

[bleachedblack]

WTH group CPR?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F8dWtCGBSA

[hotping]

If You keep posting these Aruban Whatevers....I'll need CPR! Goodnight All!

[sirensong]

what i find most interesting is that the GENERAL public is more concerned about joran throwing wine at someone then him telling lie after lie and changing stories
with 2 other killers to the police for month after month when it was concerning a missing girl.

it reminds me of when the general public was more outraged when a killer gave the finger to the camera and the public was outaged more about that then about the killing of the i think it was a young girl that he was convicted of

im not talking about us... im talking about the un informed public


but thats just me 

I think it is because they don't know the details, thanks to the MSM in the US.  We always get the  "Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba while on vacation....and until there is evidence, the case is closed.....blah, blah, blah.  They need to let the public know there WAS evidence, it disappeared; the FBI did help search, but they were given no information nor were they allowed to get info on their own; the statements by the suspects are easily proven to be lies and Joran is still lying in this interview he just did.  They never mention AHATA, ATA, and the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice, the police chiefs, commissioners and police did everything they could to keep this story hidden for tourism; the judges are friends and in conflict of interest; the powers that be are financially dependent on tourism or they will lose their own interests....etc., etc., etc.  The MSM has not investigated anything, they just say the same sound bite over and over as if there was a real investigation that turned up nothing.  Look at all the different angles, information and disinformation that the Monkeys have uncovered.  NONE of it has been given to the general public.   I think the general public does care, they just do not have all the information they need.  Even without it, in their gut they know J2K are guilty, they just don't understand completely how a whole island railroaded the investigation.  The stories within the story.

[robots]

what i find most interesting is that the GENERAL public is more concerned about joran throwing wine at someone then him telling lie after lie and changing stories
with 2 other killers to the police for month after month when it was concerning a missing girl.

it reminds me of when the general public was more outraged when a killer gave the finger to the camera and the public was outaged more about that then about the killing of the i think it was a young girl that he was convicted of

im not talking about us... im talking about the un informed public


but thats just me 

I think it is because they don't know the details, thanks to the MSM in the US.  We always get the  "Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba while on vacation....and until there is evidence, the case is closed.....blah, blah, blah.  They need to let the public know there WAS evidence, it disappeared; the FBI did help search, but they were given no information nor were they allowed to get info on their own; the statements by the suspects are easily proven to be lies and Joran is still lying in this interview he just did.  They never mention AHATA, ATA, and the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice, the police chiefs, commissioners and police did everything they could to keep this story hidden for tourism; the judges are friends and in conflict of interest; the powers that be are financially dependent on tourism or they will lose their own interests....etc., etc., etc.  The MSM has not investigated anything, they just say the same sound bite over and over as if there was a real investigation that turned up nothing.  Look at all the different angles, information and disinformation that the Monkeys have uncovered.  NONE of it has been given to the general public.   I think the general public does care, they just do not have all the information they need.  Even without it, in their gut they know J2K are guilty, they just don't understand completely how a whole island railroaded the investigation.  The stories within the story.

yepper