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SunFreak2
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Lively Case Discussion #601 4/15 - 4/17/2007
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April 17, 2007, 09:46:27 AM »
Good mormimg Monkeys. It's a beautiful morning here in Atlanta. Not so good in VA though. How horriffic!!
I dreamed about Joran vd Sloot last night! It's really weird, but here is the gist of it.
He and I were going to the same college in NY. We were on spring break. Somehow we both ended up in at Myrtle Beach in SC at the same campgroun/resort. My father had an RV. Joran stayed in the hotel part of the resort. Ha Ha!! He had that skanky blonde from last spring with him. Somehow I had a motorcycle and a tiny Yorkie. He kept stealing my motorcycle and going real fast and would wreck my bike, but the bike always ended up not hurt. His skank girlfriend ripped off a bunch of the hotel rooms. She took boxes and boxes of stuff from the rooms and said they gave it to her. I talked to Joran and told him to stop stealing my motorcycle and the skank was with him. She had a deeply wrinkled face that she tried to conceal with heavy makeup. Being the blunt person that I am, I said to her," Good God Almighty what happened to your face? You sure do have some deep wrinkles on your face. What are you, about 100 years old or did someone throw-up on your neck?" She walked away. So I drove thru the parking lot making sure everything worked like it should for the long trip back to NY. As I drove thru the lot, I saw Joran's dad's jeep filled with the cacca that she had ripped off. It was even tied to the hood and blocking most of the windshield. Joran had messed with my breaks and they didn't work right so I got some other guy to fix them for me. Then I drove thru the lot again laughing at how Joran and the skank looked like the Beverly Hillbillies with all that cacca hanging everywhere on the jeep. As I drove off I yelled, "I hope you never make it back to NY."
Then I heard Meredith from the Today show talking about the tragedy in VA. I had woken up. I went outside to my little retreat near my waterfall, and sitting there amongst the gloriousness of the dogwoods and my flowers I remembered the dream. I told myself I have to tell the dream to the monkeys.
I interpret it to mean that Joran is running away with this skank to avoid facing charges against him for what he did to Natalee. I guess the college setting was from the tragedy in VA and Mrytle Beach is where we used to have our family reunions at a beautiful resort. Also, we used to go camping in a travel trailer from when I was in 3rd grade until 12th.
WEIRD!!!!! shock:
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ty for sharing the dream....freaky...even 4 a sunfreak
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We have done this like 20 times before and never before did anything bad happen....JORAN
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April 17, 2007, 11:00:18 AM »
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Morning Monkeys, just reading through what I missed from last night.
I was wondering if anyone knows what Thornton Ratliff looks like, and if it could possibly be him in the pic?
Sometime between 8:00 and 10:00pm on Sunday, WATSON went into the casino of the hotel and saw JURON VAN DER SLOOT. She went to a change machine and saw VAN DER SLOOT standing near RUTH MCVAY and MADISON WHATLEY near a blackjack table. After Watson played some slot machines for a few minutes, she went to the blackjack table where she had seen her friends. She saw VAN DER SLOOT sitting at the blackjack table with classmate
THORNTON RATLIFF.
VAN DER SLOOT appeared to be betting a lot of money. He also had some kind of small electronic device on the table in front of him that the device was called an "ipod" which was something similar to an mp-3 player. Some of WATSON'S female friends were standing around VAN DER SLOOT while he played, but WATSON does not remember seeing HOLLOWAY there. After a minute or two, WATSON walked into the hotel lobby and saw HOLLOWAY coming out of the bathroom and had the above-mentioned conversation.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/doc3.pdf
Good morning bleachedblack
As far as I know Katherine Whatley's statement (302) is the only mention of a classmate named Thornton Ratliff. However ... according to Katherine (Madison) Whatley (302) when she, Natalee and some of their classmates came to the Black Jack table ... Joran and an "older man" were already there gambling with other classmates.
It should be remembered that the Greta/Joran transcript as well as official witness statements of both Joran and Paulus ... have Paulus leaving the POKER table half way through the tournament for home. This occured prior to Joran going to the BLACK JACK table where the encounter with Natalee and her friends took place.
Lies are created to cover the truth. Why are Joran and Paulus compelled to cover up a Paulus and Natalee connection? Beth Twitty was aware that Paulus and Natalee had met at the casino at least six/seven month prior to the revelation of the casino recordings. I contend her knowledge must have come from Natalee's classmates.
Janet
Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005
After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel.
A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an
"older man"
and YURON VAN DER SLOOT.
(Whatley 302)
Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino,
and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where
he and his father met Natalee
.
Joran Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 1, 2006
VAN DER SLOOT: .... And yes, so my dad had come with me.
And halfway through, he — because my mom at the time was in Holland, halfway through, he had to go back home to my little brother because he was home alone. And I took his place at the
poker tournament
because I had lost earlier. So I went in and I took his place and I played for him.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
Tamikosmom
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April 17, 2007, 11:11:43 AM »
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Morning Monkeys, just reading through what I missed from last night.
I was wondering if anyone knows what Thornton Ratliff looks like, and if it could possibly be him in the pic?
Sometime between 8:00 and 10:00pm on Sunday, WATSON went into the casino of the hotel and saw JURON VAN DER SLOOT. She went to a change machine and saw VAN DER SLOOT standing near RUTH MCVAY and MADISON WHATLEY near a blackjack table. After Watson played some slot machines for a few minutes, she went to the blackjack table where she had seen her friends. She saw VAN DER SLOOT sitting at the blackjack table with classmate
THORNTON RATLIFF.
VAN DER SLOOT appeared to be betting a lot of money. He also had some kind of small electronic device on the table in front of him that the device was called an "ipod" which was something similar to an mp-3 player. Some of WATSON'S female friends were standing around VAN DER SLOOT while he played, but WATSON does not remember seeing HOLLOWAY there. After a minute or two, WATSON walked into the hotel lobby and saw HOLLOWAY coming out of the bathroom and had the above-mentioned conversation.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/doc3.pdf
Good morning bleachedblack
As far as I know Katherine Whatley's statement (302) is the only mention of a classmate named Thornton Ratliff. However ... according to Katherine (Madison) Whatley (302) when she, Natalee and some of their classmates came to the Black Jack table ... Joran and an "older man" were already there gambling with other classmates.
It should be remembered that the Greta/Joran transcript as well as official witness statements of both Joran and Paulus ... have Paulus leaving the POKER table half way through the tournament for home. This occured prior to Joran going to the BLACK JACK table where the encounter with Natalee and her friends took place.
Lies are created to cover the truth. Why are Joran and Paulus compelled to cover up a Paulus and Natalee connection? Beth Twitty was aware that Paulus and Natalee had met at the casino at least six/seven month prior to the revelation of the casino recordings. I contend her knowledge must have come from Natalee's classmates.
Janet
Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005
After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel.
A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an
"older man"
and YURON VAN DER SLOOT.
(Whatley 302)
Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino,
and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where
he and his father met Natalee
.
Joran Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 1, 2006
VAN DER SLOOT: .... And yes, so my dad had come with me.
And halfway through, he — because my mom at the time was in Holland, halfway through, he had to go back home to my little brother because he was home alone. And I took his place at the
poker tournament
because I had lost earlier. So I went in and I took his place and I played for him.
Edit:
First sentence of my post ...
"As far as I know Katherine Whatley's statement (302)
is the only mention of a classmate named Thornton Ratliff."
It should read ... Nancy Watson ... not Katherine Whatley.
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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April 17, 2007, 11:19:23 AM »
Tamikosmom
- working and lurking this morning but I wanted mention a couple things
#1 - I really do love your avatar, it always makes me smile
#2 - I appreciate your posts with the quotes from articles and statements.
Now...back to work
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NM
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April 17, 2007, 11:45:22 AM »
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by MF at FOB regarding the 10 Dutch investigators:
Initial reports were that the group came to made their last part of investigation on the case of NH disappearance, but then during the weekend, information also came in that the Team came for the investigation on the Namdar bribery intent on Micheal Williams and Glembert Croes, who acted as MEP members, while they were actually from other party OLA.
This morning information coming from the Netherlands, denied that the team came exclusively for the NH case and a few moments ago the Minister of Justice indeed confirmed that the Team was for the NH Case in a last intent before closing the case and also for the investigation on the Namdar group. I will get the details on what he said later on.
In the second investigation, the use of RST is also mentioned.
Looking at this picture, it seems that Jacobs has joined them. Is that him on the right?
Tgal, no, no that is a group of 4 people
morning Monkeys. running to lunch bbl
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Glenda wrote: "aruba's job was not to babysit Beth's daughter. Beth sent her daughter to swim with the sharks, she is responsible for what ever happened to Natalee." = there is no homicide in aruba, only SUICIDE. Don't go to aruba if you value your life.
Tamikosmom
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April 17, 2007, 11:47:21 AM »
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tamikosmom
- working and lurking this morning but I wanted mention a couple things
#1 - I really do love your avatar, it always makes me smile
#2 - I appreciate your posts with the quotes from articles and statements.
Now...back to work
Klaas ... I love my avatar too. The minute you posted it as a choice for the Easter season ... I knew that I was never going to let it go ... Easter or no Easter. I liken that ducky to a security blanket and ... you have to admit that I am the cutest monkey on the forum.
Klaas ... I appreciate all the work you do moderating the SM forum and the FP comment section. I do believe that SM is the only open/public forum that is truly honoring to Natalee and her family.
Sincerely, Janet
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
Peaches
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April 17, 2007, 12:07:04 PM »
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
ARUBA
- An Island Paradise full of Predatory Parasites
Put that in your "dance Aruba" commercials!
Those commercials drive me crazy. There are several reasons for that, but one is that I can only understand about half what they say in that little song. Other than the part about dancing, can you understand what they're saying?
I understand I have two words for all of them and it ain't "Let's dance!"
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Expect a miracle.
Peaches
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April 17, 2007, 12:10:40 PM »
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
San
, I see the head of the guy you pointed out...may not even be highlighted...could just be the lights overhead....looks like a modern doo.
Looks like that beach bunny GVC.....he had highlights in his hair.
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Is Thornton Ratliff in college somewhere?
Hi monkeys.
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April 17, 2007, 01:16:32 PM »
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Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Anna how many puppies have you lost due to this horrendous pet food problem?
I hope none! And I hope she doesn't lose any.....Men
Yes, I am a born skeptic, I admit it.
Anyhow, out of the millions of cans of pet food recalled and as poisonous they all were supposed to be, only 4200 pets have died?
Gee, with the hoohaw going on, I woulda thought it was black plague for pets and wagons should be patrolling the streets just picking up the dead.
You guys see the CFO of menu food sold his stock before the massive recall?
http://www.andnetwork.com/index?service=direct/0/Home/story&sp=l283314
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April 17, 2007, 01:23:58 PM »
Lalas,
I've been working and lurking, saw you post a little bit ago.
Do you think Joran had the red jeep out the night of the 29th/30th?
And if you do think Joran had it out, and if you believe the cops found out prior to June 13th that the jeep had been out in the wee hours of the morning of the 30th, but they ( the cops) by the 13th didn't know yet who had the jeep out, how did the cops know the jeep was out?
I think it was a GPS transmitter.
Ado
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As long as Pedigree is okay, I'm good.
It is suspicious if the CEO dumped his stock right before this happened. JERK.
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April 17, 2007, 01:43:55 PM »
Looks like Jossy has another editorial today referencing Oduber.
Here's the link but I have no idea what the article states.
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/4/17/
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you and my daughter look alike with your new
outfit
on
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April 17, 2007, 02:42:58 PM »
Quote from: "Anna"
I apologize for all the posts on the dog food and will take it to the lounge. It is just that this is very, very hard to deal with for me.
Over and out!
.
ROGER !
understandable
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Anna, 3 times is 3 million times more than anyone should have to go through that. Bil Jac has all domestic ingred.
My 1st thought was the curly-haired card player could be gvc or a MB'er.
If gvc, it is very interesting how pvds, jurin and gvc positioned themselves at the table.
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O/T
I miss that old ignore button.
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Quote from: "klaasend"
After enhancing this photo, it's clear to me anyway that the dealer at the table is NOT Guido:
Besides just buying a new car and skipping his graduation he also cut short his 3 month internship as a crouper at the casino. Five witnesses came forward saying Guido had deep scratches on his face..Some as long as three inches..He hires the most expensive lawyer in europe and his father goes on record saying he doesnt know Joran Van Der Sloot..
At the same time his attorney Spong says they are good friends.
I am still curious why the ALE mentioned Battery and Heavy Battery when they arrested Guido and GVC. They claim they have no evidence.
Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad reported Monday that Guido W. was doing a three-month internship at the casino in the Marriott Hotel in Aruba when Holloway disappeared.
The paper cited an employee of the hotel as saying Guido W. left Aruba in June, before his internship was finished, to study in the Netherlands.
In an interview with Dutch NOS television Sunday, Spong said Aruban authorities suspect his client of "assisting in the
murder, battery and kidnapping
of Natalee Holloway."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-05-21-holloway_x.htm
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O/T....This is a drive by post, as I realized I made a mistake last night when talking about the school shootings. We were discussing that many of them seem to have occured in April. I said that the Amish school shootings were a year ago....That was wrong. Geesh, that shooting occurred in the fall (they just had the 6 month anniversary a few weeks ago) not a year as I alluded to last night. They opened a new school for the Amish students on the six month anniversary as the old one was torn down after the killings. I will blame my mistake for last night on being too tired to think. (Well, I need some excuse)....The memorial today for Virg. Tech was very sad....OK, sorry for the interruption, back on topic monkeys, see you all later!
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===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
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