Lively Case Discussion #673 8/3 - 8/5/2007

[SunFreak2]

GvC drove a white Nissan Sentra too didn't he?  How is he involved - just the drug angle?

I don't remember what GVC drove

Wasn't that why he wa arrested b/c of the white car?

[Destiny]

I know this sounds stoooopid of me...but, does anyone know what time of the day/night it is in Aruba right now?

Thanks in advance....Destiny

I believe Aruba is the same as our Eastern time.  So it's approx noon in Aruba right now.

Thanks Klaas...got some phone calls to make
Dest

Well...made some phone calls...talked with a very nice man at police station in Aruba...Klaas...should I send you private email...not sure what to post here.
Don't even know if it's been posted before.

Destiny

[mrs. red]

Also if Joran took a bunch of kids to his house to party all the time.  The Karen episode where she was drugged and Joran couldn't remember if Freddy or the Viana kid was there.  That tells me he is lying that his family cared or could even hear any noise coming from Joran's apt.  Also it is said his Apt has a little kitchen. Yet he goes into the big house that night for a snack and some porn after leaving Nat at the beach?  I don't believe it.

exactly and the other distrubing thing about that is the fact that they all watched... it was pretty much in the open...and the fact that anita could describe in such detail her underwear... I just think that the mention of hte house was to cover it up if someone noticed they were there....

no witnesses at the beach, the woman having been accosted the prior week, those are just things that solidify my belief they weren't there.

I will always be convinced that in and among all the lies, there is a shred, however faint of truth.

[San]

Also if Joran took a bunch of kids to his house to party all the time.  The Karen episode where she was drugged and Joran couldn't remember if Freddy or the Viana kid was there.  That tells me he is lying that his family cared or could even hear any noise coming from Joran's apt.  Also it is said his Apt has a little kitchen. Yet he goes into the big house that night for a snack and some porn after leaving Nat at the beach?  I don't believe it.

I believe Natalee was taken into the big house after Joran injured her in his apartment and Paulus helped move her in there.

[Marlee]

I know this sounds stoooopid of me...but, does anyone know what time of the day/night it is in Aruba right now?

Thanks in advance....Destiny

I believe Aruba is the same as our Eastern time.  So it's approx noon in Aruba right now.

Thanks Klaas...got some phone calls to make
Dest

Well...made some phone calls...talked with a very nice man at police station in Aruba...Klaas...should I send you private email...not sure what to post here.
Don't even know if it's been posted before.

Destiny

Good job Destiny on calling them.  I have been waiting to hear if they would talk to you.  Can't wait to hear what they said.

[mrs. red]

Destiny... that should be interesting!  I would love to hear more...

[SunFreak2]

Also if Joran took a bunch of kids to his house to party all the time.  The Karen episode where she was drugged and Joran couldn't remember if Freddy or the Viana kid was there.  That tells me he is lying that his family cared or could even hear any noise coming from Joran's apt.  Also it is said his Apt has a little kitchen. Yet he goes into the big house that night for a snack and some porn after leaving Nat at the beach?  I don't believe it.

I agree, Mrs Red.  One has to definitely read between the lines with them.

exactly and the other distrubing thing about that is the fact that they all watched... it was pretty much in the open...and the fact that anita could describe in such detail her underwear... I just think that the mention of hte house was to cover it up if someone noticed they were there....

no witnesses at the beach, the woman having been accosted the prior week, those are just things that solidify my belief they weren't there.

I will always be convinced that in and among all the lies, there is a shred, however faint of truth.

[klaasend]

I know this sounds stoooopid of me...but, does anyone know what time of the day/night it is in Aruba right now?

Thanks in advance....Destiny

I believe Aruba is the same as our Eastern time.  So it's approx noon in Aruba right now.

Thanks Klaas...got some phone calls to make
Dest

Well...made some phone calls...talked with a very nice man at police station in Aruba...Klaas...should I send you private email...not sure what to post here.
Don't even know if it's been posted before.

Destiny

Thanks Destiny - I'll check my email! 

[Destiny]

Destiny... that should be interesting!  I would love to hear more...

I'm going to go ahead and call the other number I was referred to....he's been moved.

Dest....waiting for Klaas

[SunFreak2]

Also if Joran took a bunch of kids to his house to party all the time.  The Karen episode where she was drugged and Joran couldn't remember if Freddy or the Viana kid was there.  That tells me he is lying that his family cared or could even hear any noise coming from Joran's apt.  Also it is said his Apt has a little kitchen. Yet he goes into the big house that night for a snack and some porn after leaving Nat at the beach?  I don't believe it.

I agree, Mrs Red.  One has to definitely read between the lines with them.

exactly and the other distrubing thing about that is the fact that they all watched... it was pretty much in the open...and the fact that anita could describe in such detail her underwear... I just think that the mention of hte house was to cover it up if someone noticed they were there....

no witnesses at the beach, the woman having been accosted the prior week, those are just things that solidify my belief they weren't there.

I will always be convinced that in and among all the lies, there is a shred, however faint of truth.

and with me too, I guess. 

[Destiny]

Destiny... that should be interesting!  I would love to hear more...

I'm going to go ahead and call the other number I was referred to....he's been moved.

Dest....waiting for Klaas

Klaas what email addy?

TX...Dest

[fran]

When I joined the monkeys, I thought I'd have more time etc to post, but it takes me so long to catch up I forgot what I was gonna say. 

Now I don't want to get involved in saying anything, because I wanna know what Destiny found out.

fran

[klaasend]

Destiny... that should be interesting!  I would love to hear more...

I'm going to go ahead and call the other number I was referred to....he's been moved.

Dest....waiting for Klaas

Email to:  smklaas@hotmail.com

[SunFreak2]

When I joined the monkeys, I thought I'd have more time etc to post, but it takes me so long to catch up I forgot what I was gonna say. 

Now I don't want to get involved in saying anything, because I wanna know what Destiny found out.
fran

Ditto, Fran.

[mrs. red]

When I joined the monkeys, I thought I'd have more time etc to post, but it takes me so long to catch up I forgot what I was gonna say. 

Now I don't want to get involved in saying anything, because I wanna know what Destiny found out.

fran

sometimes that happens to me... so what you can do is just post what you are thinking with a side note that you are behind... at least that's what we all do...   and below the posting window you can scroll and see what has been said....

I am dying to hear what Destiny found out as well...

[SunFreak2]

Sounds like Destiny called Aruba about something!  Cool.  That takes guts.  Cheers for Destiny.   

[Destiny]

When I joined the monkeys, I thought I'd have more time etc to post, but it takes me so long to catch up I forgot what I was gonna say. 

Now I don't want to get involved in saying anything, because I wanna know what Destiny found out.

fran

sometimes that happens to me... so what you can do is just post what you are thinking with a side note that you are behind... at least that's what we all do...   and below the posting window you can scroll and see what has been said....

I am dying to hear what Destiny found out as well...

am on phone noe w/oter place...finding out much

[klaasend]

When I joined the monkeys, I thought I'd have more time etc to post, but it takes me so long to catch up I forgot what I was gonna say. 

Now I don't want to get involved in saying anything, because I wanna know what Destiny found out.

fran

sometimes that happens to me... so what you can do is just post what you are thinking with a side note that you are behind... at least that's what we all do...   and below the posting window you can scroll and see what has been said....

I am dying to hear what Destiny found out as well...

am on phone noe w/oter place...finding out much

Did you see my email addy above?  Wonder how much they are telling you is truth vs. BS?

[fran]

One thing that has always bothered me is D/S being arrested the day after D said he'd do a lie dectector test with Skeeters after he checked with his attorney. I mean, how convenient, D/S are arrested AGAIN, ehhh........why??????

Dompig said they had to have new evidence. So I ran across this. What happened to this 'new evidence' and why were they ALL THREE released just days later?

fran

http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/43660.asp

Brothers held again in Natalee Holloway case

 Aug. 26, 2005

After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said. Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21. "They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said. "Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

 ......................more of the article at the link.....................

[mrs. red]

that is an important question Klaas....