Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 - 1/23/09

[Tamikosmom]

Not Janet, but it's Hotshot.

Steve begged to have his picture taken with me ... but I would have no part of it.

 

Janet

I have inside informaton on this.  Someone told Steve Croes one time to DUCK.  Since then whenever he sees a ducky he hides from it.  That is the reason he would have no part of it.

 

[klaasend]

If you were going to dispose of a body, would you put it in a trap and sink it in 90 ft of water two miles from shore?  or would you use a 'go fast boat ' and take it out to 1000 ft ? or over to Venezuela? I am starting to think if Pvds paid for disposal, he would want the later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrL_XElTjfg

I think it is not very smart to put a body in a trap ,because there are many divers there .
Was this trap already there in the ocean ?
You need a huge boat for transportation  (a trap  with  that size )
If the trap was in the ocean already you need a very capable diver (s?) to bring a body in the cage .

Johan - I don't know if Natalee's body or anyone's body was in that trap.  I will disagree with you in the difficulty involved in bringing a body TO the cage.

1.  The body could simply be weighted down and dropped
2.  90 feet is not that deep for scuba and is not beyond freedive.  All one would have to do is pull the weighted down body into the open trap.

Does not sound hard to me especially for a certificated scuba diver like the Sloot boys were (Valentijn for sure) but I'm also sure many others on the island.

I dont think Joran is a diver ( no air, he is smoking pot the whole day )
What i know is that Koen's brother ( sander ) is/was  a diver  .
But you need also a boat and that boat (koens fathers boat ) was at a service station at that moment

Not according to Sander's statement.  He had just asked Joran the day before if Joran wanted to go for a spin in his boat.  There was nothing wrong with the Gottenbos boat.  That was Aruban BS.

[johan555]

Unbelieveble . . do you think she was trying to make him confess?

 

wie is dat "Mormel " bastibro ?

[Keepthefaith]

If you were going to dispose of a body, would you put it in a trap and sink it in 90 ft of water two miles from shore?  or would you use a 'go fast boat ' and take it out to 1000 ft ? or over to Venezuela? I am starting to think if Pvds paid for disposal, he would want the later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrL_XElTjfg

I think it is not very smart to put a body in a trap ,because there are many divers there .
Was this trap already there in the ocean ?
You need a huge boat for transportation  (a trap  with  that size )
If the trap was in the ocean already you need a very capable diver (s?) to bring a body in the cage .

Johan - I don't know if Natalee's body or anyone's body was in that trap.  I will disagree with you in the difficulty involved in bringing a body TO the cage.

1.  The body could simply be weighted down and dropped
2.  90 feet is not that deep for scuba and is not beyond freedive.  All one would have to do is pull the weighted down body into the open trap.

Does not sound hard to me especially for a certificated scuba diver like the Sloot boys were (Valentijn for sure) but I'm also sure many others on the island.

I dont think Joran is a diver ( no air, he is smoking pot the whole day )
What i know is that Koen's brother ( sander ) is/was  a diver  .
But you need also a boat and that boat (koens fathers boat ) was at a service station at that moment

Would be highly interested as to how you've come to that conclusion?

[Anna]

Yes, both Sander and Joran have confirmed that Sander had invited Joran to go out on the boat with him.

Doesn't seem like something he would do if the boat was in for repairs.

[texasmom]

Not Janet, but it's Hotshot.

Steve begged to have his picture taken with me ... but I would have no part of it.

 

Janet

 

[Tamikosmom]

If you were going to dispose of a body, would you put it in a trap and sink it in 90 ft of water two miles from shore?  or would you use a 'go fast boat ' and take it out to 1000 ft ? or over to Venezuela? I am starting to think if Pvds paid for disposal, he would want the later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrL_XElTjfg

I think it is not very smart to put a body in a trap ,because there are many divers there .
Was this trap already there in the ocean ?
You need a huge boat for transportation  (a trap  with  that size )
If the trap was in the ocean already you need a very capable diver (s?) to bring a body in the cage .

Johan - I don't know if Natalee's body or anyone's body was in that trap.  I will disagree with you in the difficulty involved in bringing a body TO the cage.

1.  The body could simply be weighted down and dropped
2.  90 feet is not that deep for scuba and is not beyond freedive.  All one would have to do is pull the weighted down body into the open trap.

Does not sound hard to me especially for a certificated scuba diver like the Sloot boys were (Valentijn for sure) but I'm also sure many others on the island.

I dont think Joran is a diver ( no air, he is smoking pot the whole day )
What i know is that Koen's brother ( sander ) is/was  a diver  .
But you need also a boat and that boat (koens fathers boat ) was at a service station at that moment

Not according to Sander's statement.  He had just asked Joran the day before if Joran wanted to go for a spin in his boat.  There was nothing wrong with the Gottenbos boat.  That was Aruban BS.

Klaas ... you are right.

Janet

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SANDER GOTTENBOS
Witness Statement
June 17, 2005

On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following;
 
I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following;
 
The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following:
It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".

On your question if Joran had been on our boat before, I will explain to you the following:
Joran has never been on our boat and has also never with our dangers. (?)

[johan555]

If you were going to dispose of a body, would you put it in a trap and sink it in 90 ft of water two miles from shore?  or would you use a 'go fast boat ' and take it out to 1000 ft ? or over to Venezuela? I am starting to think if Pvds paid for disposal, he would want the later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrL_XElTjfg

I think it is not very smart to put a body in a trap ,because there are many divers there .
Was this trap already there in the ocean ?
You need a huge boat for transportation  (a trap  with  that size )
If the trap was in the ocean already you need a very capable diver (s?) to bring a body in the cage .

Johan - I don't know if Natalee's body or anyone's body was in that trap.  I will disagree with you in the difficulty involved in bringing a body TO the cage.

1.  The body could simply be weighted down and dropped
2.  90 feet is not that deep for scuba and is not beyond freedive.  All one would have to do is pull the weighted down body into the open trap.

Does not sound hard to me especially for a certificated scuba diver like the Sloot boys were (Valentijn for sure) but I'm also sure many others on the island.

I dont think Joran is a diver ( no air, he is smoking pot the whole day )
What i know is that Koen's brother ( sander ) is/was  a diver  .
But you need also a boat and that boat (koens fathers boat ) was at a service station at that moment

Not according to Sander's statement.  He had just asked Joran the day before if Joran wanted to go for a spin in his boat.  There was nothing wrong with the Gottenbos boat.  That was Aruban BS.

oh are you sure about that ?
that boat was at this location

[Tamikosmom]

KOEN GOTTENBOS

CORRUPTION IN PARADISE - DAVE HOLLOWAY

Page 118 - Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Police Comissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos and Charlie's. The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from these two. As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity. The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of women. I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. He referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos. Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.

Page 181 - Art and I talked to Ms. Flanagan about all the red flags that we were seeing and that we thought Koen, Joran, and Deepak took Natalee out in the boat. She agreed with that theory. She added that the reason she had left the case was because she thought Koen was lying, and when she asked the police to reinterview him, they refused. We told her that we were going to talk to the prime minister the next day to lay it all out.

Page 177 - After Dompig heard we had found the boat, he indicated that he was going to bring Koen in for questioning in a day or so. I told him that if they interviewed Koen, they might solve the case.

Page 181 - She added that the reason she had left the case was because she though Koen was lying, and when she asked the police to reinterview him, they refused.

Page 182 - I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koens father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet.

++++++++

Hope for the Holloways?
Thursday, November 17, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: And are you satisfied that this assistant prosecutor was as candid as could be with you?

DAVE HOLLOWAY: She was very candid. And in fact, I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.

Well, I left the prime minister's office. I even gave them the name of the witness that they needed to interview. And I said, you know, If you don't do anything about it, I can't help you anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

ART WOOD: ... Dave Holloway and I begged the police down there to bring him Coon in and question him. And they haven't done it yet. And he lied the first time that he talked to the police. To solve these cases, just follow the lies, Rita.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

[johan555]

If you were going to dispose of a body, would you put it in a trap and sink it in 90 ft of water two miles from shore?  or would you use a 'go fast boat ' and take it out to 1000 ft ? or over to Venezuela? I am starting to think if Pvds paid for disposal, he would want the later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrL_XElTjfg

I think it is not very smart to put a body in a trap ,because there are many divers there .
Was this trap already there in the ocean ?
You need a huge boat for transportation  (a trap  with  that size )
If the trap was in the ocean already you need a very capable diver (s?) to bring a body in the cage .

Johan - I don't know if Natalee's body or anyone's body was in that trap.  I will disagree with you in the difficulty involved in bringing a body TO the cage.

1.  The body could simply be weighted down and dropped
2.  90 feet is not that deep for scuba and is not beyond freedive.  All one would have to do is pull the weighted down body into the open trap.

Does not sound hard to me especially for a certificated scuba diver like the Sloot boys were (Valentijn for sure) but I'm also sure many others on the island.

I dont think Joran is a diver ( no air, he is smoking pot the whole day )
What i know is that Koen's brother ( sander ) is/was  a diver  .
But you need also a boat and that boat (koens fathers boat ) was at a service station at that moment

Not according to Sander's statement.  He had just asked Joran the day before if Joran wanted to go for a spin in his boat.  There was nothing wrong with the Gottenbos boat.  That was Aruban BS.

oh are you sure about that ?
that boat was at this location

[klaasend]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

[johan555]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

[johan555]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

you see there a pic were you can see that marine
the text:   were the boat was docked

[klaasend]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Sorry but I'm not going to read through that mans entire page.  Would you please copy and paste the specific part you are wanting to reference? 

[klaasend]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Sorry but I'm not going to read through that mans entire page.  Would you please copy and paste the specific part you are wanting to reference? 

OK, I found this but I have no idea what his sources are.  If it's true the Gottenbos boat was moored (tied up) at this location then it would be even more convenient to use it. 

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

Where does it say the boat was in repair?  Moored does not equal repair.

[bastibro]

Unbelieveble . . do you think she was trying to make him confess?

 

wie is dat "Mormel " bastibro ?

Een wulps mormel, das zeker 

[johan555]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Sorry but I'm not going to read through that mans entire page.  Would you please copy and paste the specific part you are wanting to reference? 

OK, I found this but I have no idea what his sources are.  If it's true the Gottenbos boat was moored (tied up) at this location then it would be even more convenient to use it. 

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

Where does it say the boat was in repair?  Moored does not equal repair.

here is that picture

[texasmom]

Unbelieveble . . do you think she was trying to make him confess?

 

wie is dat "Mormel " bastibro ?

Een wulps mormel, das zeker 

Google translation:

Who is that "Mormel" bastibro?


A lascivious monster, das certainly

mormelDefinition from Wiktionary, a free dictionary
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[edit] Dutch
[edit] Nounmormel (plural mormels, diminutive mormeltje) n.

1.mongrel, mutt, cur, inferior, ugly dog
2.(by extension) unattractive creature

[edit] Related termsmormeldier n.

 

[johan555]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Sorry but I'm not going to read through that mans entire page.  Would you please copy and paste the specific part you are wanting to reference? 

OK, I found this but I have no idea what his sources are.  If it's true the Gottenbos boat was moored (tied up) at this location then it would be even more convenient to use it. 

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

Where does it say the boat was in repair?  Moored does not equal repair.

   there was something wrong with the propeller of the boat

[johan555]

Unbelieveble . . do you think she was trying to make him confess?

 

wie is dat "Mormel " bastibro ?

Een wulps mormel, das zeker 

Google translation:

Who is that "Mormel" bastibro?


A lascivious monster, das certainly

mormelDefinition from Wiktionary, a free dictionary
Jump to: navigation, search

[edit] Dutch
[edit] Nounmormel (plural mormels, diminutive mormeltje) n.

1.mongrel, mutt, cur, inferior, ugly dog
2.(by extension) unattractive creature

[edit] Related termsmormeldier n.

 

ha ha mormel = mormel (het ~)
monster (the ~), ogre (the ~), beast (the ~), monstrosity (the ~)