Natalee Case Discussion #697 11/29 - 11/30/2007

[Anna]

In other words, Joran may have never had a missing pair of shoes at all, but the story of the missing shoes was in place just to implicate the Kalpoes and give Joran an option of placing them at the beach and last to have an opportunity to kill her.

Exactly!

That's what Robots and I were talking about with all that SHOE talk that everybody got so mad at us for.

We were trying to say that very thing.

And got told to go eat a bug, if I recall.

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[Tylergal]

Frank Rizzo is a councilman from Philadelphia.

Now resides in Aruba.  I was thinking it was mayor, but you are right although that was pretty close guessing. 

[crazybabyborg]

In other words, Joran may have never had a missing pair of shoes at all, but the story of the missing shoes was in place just to implicate the Kalpoes and give Joran an option of placing them at the beach and last to have an opportunity to kill her.

Interviewer:  You left without your shoes. How do you... how do you explain that? 

Joran van der Sloot:  We walked onto the... on the beach in the beginning, and where we sat down there, then, I had taken off my shoes. And because, when you walk in, it was the exact same shoes that I'm wearing now. 

Interviewer:  Same kind? 

Joran van der Sloot:  Yes, exactly. 

Interviewer:  Or those aren't the shoes? 

Joran van der Sloot:  No, no. Those aren't the shoes... 

Interviewer:  Those are the same kind. 

Joran van der Sloot:  ... but those are the exact same kinds. 

Interviewer:  All right. 

Klaas, that excerpt is freaky. Thanks for posting it. I'm with Tamik, I strongly speculate there is no missing shoe/shoes. How about you?

[crazybabyborg]

In other words, Joran may have never had a missing pair of shoes at all, but the story of the missing shoes was in place just to implicate the Kalpoes and give Joran an option of placing them at the beach and last to have an opportunity to kill her.

Exactly!

That's what Robots and I were talking about with all that SHOE talk that everybody got so mad at us for.

We were trying to say that very thing.

And got told to go eat a bug, if I recall.

.

I'm having chocolate covered grasshoppers. Care to join me?

[adoronron]

In other words, Joran may have never had a missing pair of shoes at all, but the story of the missing shoes was in place just to implicate the Kalpoes and give Joran an option of placing them at the beach and last to have an opportunity to kill her.

Exactly!

That's what Robots and I were talking about with all that SHOE talk that everybody got so mad at us for.

We were trying to say that very thing.

And got told to go eat a bug, if I recall.

.

Anna

I remember all that.

Ado

[Anna]

Robots,
I pray that is not how Joran makes his money about the girls and making creeps pay him.

That is something that never once entered my mind and I hope did not his for I do think he would be capable of such a thing.

Not gonna think about that, too ugly.

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[robots]

In other words, Joran may have never had a missing pair of shoes at all, but the story of the missing shoes was in place just to implicate the Kalpoes and give Joran an option of placing them at the beach and last to have an opportunity to kill her.

Exactly!

That's what Robots and I were talking about with all that SHOE talk that everybody got so mad at us for.

We were trying to say that very thing.

And got told to go eat a bug, if I recall.

.

yea, we went down that road and i ate the bugs

so you wouldnt have to

course, i like spiders.... so im ok with it 

[Anna]

In other words, Joran may have never had a missing pair of shoes at all, but the story of the missing shoes was in place just to implicate the Kalpoes and give Joran an option of placing them at the beach and last to have an opportunity to kill her.

Exactly!

That's what Robots and I were talking about with all that SHOE talk that everybody got so mad at us for.

We were trying to say that very thing.

And got told to go eat a bug, if I recall.

.

Anna

I remember all that.

Ado

Yes, other posters were really nasty about it and told us to basically not talk about the shoes any more.

AND I REMEMBER YOUR THEORY THAT JORAN STOLE A PAIR OF SIZE 14 from the Racquet club.  That makes so much sense to me since the Dutch interrogator proved Joran wore a 10.5 per Jossy.

He planted those so to prove he was somewhere he wasn't and to get the Kalpoes to go get them making them the last ones with Natalee on the supposed beach, etc.

Hope I am not ordered to eat any bugs for saying this again.

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[robots]

Robots,
I pray that is not how Joran makes his money about the girls and making creeps pay him.

That is something that never once entered my mind and I hope did not his for I do think he would be capable of such a thing.

Not gonna think about that, too ugly.

.

i agree, i was hesitant to even post it BUT

look at his past
kills dogs
rapes and drugs people
beats others up
throws them off bridges
lies like there is no tomorrow
he was spending money like a drunken sailor - NO OFFENSE to sailors
he could get it from stealing and pimping
thus the name - PIMP
didnt he call himself that


well. there ya go

sometimes we dont have to dig as far as we think we have to

[Anna]

In other words, Joran may have never had a missing pair of shoes at all, but the story of the missing shoes was in place just to implicate the Kalpoes and give Joran an option of placing them at the beach and last to have an opportunity to kill her.

Exactly!

That's what Robots and I were talking about with all that SHOE talk that everybody got so mad at us for.

We were trying to say that very thing.

And got told to go eat a bug, if I recall.

.

yea, we went down that road and i ate the bugs

so you wouldn't have to

course, i like spiders.... so im ok with it 

Yes, you have always been my hero, robots!  Defender of women and one who likes them and not hates them like PIMPS.

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[Tamikosmom]

In other words, Joran may have never had a missing pair of shoes at all, but the story of the missing shoes was in place just to implicate the Kalpoes and give Joran an option of placing them at the beach and last to have an opportunity to kill her.

Exactly!

That's what Robots and I were talking about with all that SHOE talk that everybody got so mad at us for.

We were trying to say that very thing.

And got told to go eat a bug, if I recall.

.

I'm having chocolate covered grasshoppers. Care to join me?

cbb

I will never forget.  When I was a kid ... my Grandfather came back from his travels from somewhere and ... presented my brothers and me with a package of chocolate ... chocolate with crispy insides  that was thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated.  You guessed it ... chocolate covered grasshoppers.  I loved my Grandfather dearly ... lots of great memories but ...

Janet

[Anna]

Ado,

What is your take on Mos and the rearrests?  You have not posted much but I always found your posts fascinating and wished you would say more.

.

[Observer]

Frank Rizzo is a councilman from Philadelphia.

Now resides in Aruba.  I was thinking it was mayor, but you are right although that was pretty close guessing. 

Yes you were close  and Frank Rizzo also was quoted in some of his comments about Aruba. I thought hiring Ernie Rizzo out of chicago was very interesting back then and I still do. Wouldn't suprise me one bit if Posner and PVDS were friends. This PI out of Chicago,Law Firm(Tacopina)out of NY and the Law firm out of Chicago suing for 800 Million are all very suspicious hirings. Even more suspicious is who is paying for these very expensive services.

http://tinyurl.com/2ep8xk

[robots]

In other words, Joran may have never had a missing pair of shoes at all, but the story of the missing shoes was in place just to implicate the Kalpoes and give Joran an option of placing them at the beach and last to have an opportunity to kill her.

Exactly!

That's what Robots and I were talking about with all that SHOE talk that everybody got so mad at us for.

We were trying to say that very thing.

And got told to go eat a bug, if I recall.

.

yea, we went down that road and i ate the bugs

so you wouldn't have to

course, i like spiders.... so im ok with it 

Yes, you have always been my hero, robots!  Defender of women and one who likes them and not hates them like PIMPS.

.

thank you for the the kind words, i guess was fortunate to have a great mother
kind, strict and very loving

but tough as nails

 

[crazybabyborg]

  Your Grandfather had a sense of humor, Tamik!~ 

[Anna]

Frank Rizzo is a councilman from Philadelphia.

Now resides in Aruba.  I was thinking it was mayor, but you are right although that was pretty close guessing. 

Yes you were close  and Frank Rizzo also was quoted in some of his comments about Aruba. I thought hiring Ernie Rizzo out of chicago was very interesting back then and I still do. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Posner and PVDS were friends. This PI out of Chicago,Law Firm(Tacopina)out of NY and the Law firm out of Chicago suing for 800 Million are all very suspicious hirings. Even more suspicious is who is paying for these very expensive services.

http://tinyurl.com/2ep8xk

The original article that accompanied the ABC news video that some think is Paulus in the casino (I can't tell if it is or not but think it might be, doesn't matter he was there and likely oogling the girls whether on vid or not)but anyway that article said Posner was a friend of the family of the Sloots.

Then POOF, that sentence was REMOVED from the article.

Strangest things just vanish like that but I read it with my own eyes and am sure others posting here did as well.

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[klaasend]

That's exactly why I think the shoes are important.  Joran made way too big a deal out of the shoes on Greta.  Either those were exactly the shoes he was wearing or he wanted us to believe it. 

I agree, the whole shoe thing may have been a ruse to pin it on the Kalpoes.  That's why the shoes ARE important.

[crazybabyborg]

Natalee Case next on Greta

Klaas.............yes, Joran knew the shoes were important, just maybe for a different reason than I thought.

[Anna]

If Greta has Joe T on again I am going to hurl!

[crazybabyborg]

Freddy's on board with this whole thing. Remeber the transcript with him offering to buy Joran new shoes?

Deepak told Joran, "Freddy needs to tell the truth"

Freddy's backing up Joran.