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Blue Moon
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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March 11, 2009, 10:16:55 PM »
Quote from: BUCKSHOT on March 11, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: BUCKSHOT on March 11, 2009, 09:54:31 PM
Just curious...
Where does this leave Tim Miller(a crew member?)?
Anyone???
(1) Off the boat?
(2) On the boat?
Kicked off the boat on December 30th by Silvetti.
Sorry - fingers did a fubar. Edited to correct the date.
OK.
Sometimes you get a sense for a person.
Tim Miller seems honest, as well as sincere about his work, to me. I do not believe, in my heart, that he would have knowingly participated in the hinkiness. Just does not strike me as the type, in any way.
Jossy Mansur, on the other hand...50/50 at best, for me. Dogs do not shit where they eat...
Eating=Money Making...
Money Making=Use you imagination.
Shitting=Bucking the Power.
Buckshot, I do not for a minute believe Tim Miller was in the know on all this. He is a good person and he does what he can no matter what to help find people. Hell, look what he put up with with Cindy Anthony. He almost cracked on that one but he hung in there and took it to try and find little Caylee. So Tim hence became a "liability". A "liability" would have caused extreme problems for any future money-making schemes. Hell look what Schafer did to his stockholders. They were a happy bunch weren't they?
Jossy I do believe was in on it (still don't know to what extent) and Eduador had to have been also.
Drag into this Caps, Schafer talking to members of AHATA. JMO
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Lifesong and None - thank you for your kind words.
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Blue Moon
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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I will repeat this and Gawd let it not be true:
I HOPE & PRAY THAT THE CAGE WAS NOT A STAGED EVENT to spice up the production. Remember Caps dove down to the cage afterwards and the cage was still there. I hope nothing was planted in there to stage all this for MONEY.
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If you ask the wrong question, of course, you get the wrong answer. We find in design it’s much more important and difficult to ask the right question. Once you do that, the right answer becomes obvious.<br />Quote: Amory Lovins
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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Thank you None.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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Quote from: Blue Moon on March 11, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
I will repeat this and Gawd let it not be true:
I HOPE & PRAY THAT THE CAGE WAS NOT A STAGED EVENT to spice up the production. Remember Caps dove down to the cage afterwards and the cage was still there. I hope nothing was planted in there to stage all this for MONEY.
I don't know what is sicker!Letting ALE potentially taking Natalee Holloway's remains or,staging the whole thing.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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Quote from: Kermit on March 11, 2009, 10:23:43 PM
Thank you None.
Ditto!
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Quote from: Blue Moon on March 11, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
I will repeat this and Gawd let it not be true:
I HOPE & PRAY THAT THE CAGE WAS NOT A STAGED EVENT to spice up the production. Remember Caps dove down to the cage afterwards and the cage was still there. I hope nothing was planted in there to stage all this for MONEY.
So do I, Blue Moon!!!
I had to make a telephone call last March that I never imagined I would make, and that I hope to never experience anything like again.
I had to tell a member of Natalee's family that there were images of what Kyle Kingman stated were the remains of their loved one that they were about to see.
That was the most heart wrenching experience I have ever gone through, and I can't say that whole thing was exactly peanuts for that family member either.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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Feb. 26 - Press release that the cloth is not Natalee's blouse
(doesn't say it is not her denim skirt )
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.500
CAPS posted re:
"I live here now, After september 11, I came down to see my parents.
" Feb. 18, 2008 8:42 pm
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.500
CAPS SIGNED IN: IT IS 12:35 HIS TIME (EASTERN)
Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #764 7/11 (Read 2298 times)
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He was looking at tripod site at the videos:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.500
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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March 11, 2009, 10:30:36 PM »
Quote from: Blue Moon on March 11, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
Quote from: BUCKSHOT on March 11, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: BUCKSHOT on March 11, 2009, 09:54:31 PM
Just curious...
Where does this leave Tim Miller(a crew member?)?
Anyone???
(1) Off the boat?
(2) On the boat?
Kicked off the boat on December 30th by Silvetti.
Sorry - fingers did a fubar. Edited to correct the date.
OK.
Sometimes you get a sense for a person.
Tim Miller seems honest, as well as sincere about his work, to me. I do not believe, in my heart, that he would have knowingly participated in the hinkiness. Just does not strike me as the type, in any way.
Jossy Mansur, on the other hand...50/50 at best, for me. Dogs do not shit where they eat...
Eating=Money Making...
Money Making=Use you imagination.
Shitting=Bucking the Power.
Buckshot, I do not for a minute believe Tim Miller was in the know on all this. He is a good person and he does what he can no matter what to help find people. Hell, look what he put up with with Cindy Anthony. He almost cracked on that one but he hung in there and took it to try and find little Caylee. So Tim hence became a "liability". A "liability" would have caused extreme problems for any future money-making schemes. Hell look what Schafer did to his stockholders. They were a happy bunch weren't they?
Jossy I do believe was in on it (still don't know to what extent) and Eduador had to have been also.
Drag into this Caps, Schafer talking to members of AHATA. JMO
Sorry to make billb jealous, but...
I think SM is on the right track...Well placed mis-information specialists were cleverly planted to create a smokescreen.
Just wondering...
(1) Who would be in posession of the ROV footage/stills today, 3/11/09?
(2) Does Kurtis Productions know any more about the trap?
(3) Who is CAPS? Eduardo, aka, Multiple Caps posters, aka Jossy?
(4) Did a Mansur donate/arrange equipment to search the dump, early on in the search?
(5) If cover-up entailed a top to bottom effort, why would they (ALE) not have collected trap contents long before?
(6) Where do we go from here?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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March 11, 2009, 10:31:10 PM »
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:30:03 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon on March 11, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
I will repeat this and Gawd let it not be true:
I HOPE & PRAY THAT THE CAGE WAS NOT A STAGED EVENT to spice up the production. Remember Caps dove down to the cage afterwards and the cage was still there. I hope nothing was planted in there to stage all this for MONEY.
So do I, Blue Moon!!!
I had to make a telephone call last March that I never imagined I would make, and that I hope to never experience anything like again.
I had to tell a member of Natalee's family that there were images of what Kyle Kingman stated were the remains of their loved one that they were about to see.
That was the most heart wrenching experience I have ever gone through, and I can't say that whole thing was exactly peanuts for that family member either.
And we know it was difficult for Beth to see too.
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Tamikosmom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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March 11, 2009, 10:32:36 PM »
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: BUCKSHOT on March 11, 2009, 09:54:31 PM
Just curious...
Where does this leave Tim Miller(a crew member?)?
Anyone???
(1) Off the boat?
(2) On the boat?
Kicked off the boat on December 20th by Silvetti.
Was Tim Miller kicked off the boat by John Silvetti or ... was he convinced to follow another lead. If he was kicked off the boat ... I cannot comprehend why there is an ongoing professional connection between these two men.
Janet
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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS
Kyle Kingman:
After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.
Kyle Kingman:
He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.
Kyle Kingman:
I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:11:23 PM
klaas- if I remove the headers, can I post an email?
It concerns the topic at hand.
That's a tough question. I'd rather you say who the email was from and then just give us the readers digest version..
You know like XXX told me via email that blah blah blah
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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Quote from: Buckeye on March 11, 2009, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: johan555 on March 11, 2009, 09:19:06 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on March 11, 2009, 08:16:44 PM
IF all that I could see in that trap/cage was what may me a skull,
then I might be a bit more skeptical.
I can see a femur, a pelvic bone. a skull. a couple of vertabre
and blue denim fabric.
All of that is too much to be just a coincidence. Somebody's
remains are in that trap/cage. IMO.
You can see another 10 documentaries but there were
no
human remains in the cage
it is late here ,Goodnight all
I don't care who your source is...no one bags up hermit crabs and speeds off....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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March 11, 2009, 10:33:20 PM »
Quote from: Kermit on March 11, 2009, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:30:03 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon on March 11, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
I will repeat this and Gawd let it not be true:
I HOPE & PRAY THAT THE CAGE WAS NOT A STAGED EVENT to spice up the production. Remember Caps dove down to the cage afterwards and the cage was still there. I hope nothing was planted in there to stage all this for MONEY.
So do I, Blue Moon!!!
I had to make a telephone call last March that I never imagined I would make, and that I hope to never experience anything like again.
I had to tell a member of Natalee's family that there were images of what Kyle Kingman stated were the remains of their loved one that they were about to see.
That was the most heart wrenching experience I have ever gone through, and I can't say that whole thing was exactly peanuts for that family member either.
And we know it was difficult for Beth to see too.
So.What do we think of these POS now???What a sickening bunch to say the least!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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March 11, 2009, 10:35:05 PM »
Quote from: Kermit on March 11, 2009, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:30:03 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon on March 11, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
I will repeat this and Gawd let it not be true:
I HOPE & PRAY THAT THE CAGE WAS NOT A STAGED EVENT to spice up the production. Remember Caps dove down to the cage afterwards and the cage was still there. I hope nothing was planted in there to stage all this for MONEY.
So do I, Blue Moon!!!
I had to make a telephone call last March that I never imagined I would make, and that I hope to never experience anything like again.
I had to tell a member of Natalee's family that there were images of what Kyle Kingman stated were the remains of their loved one that they were about to see.
That was the most heart wrenching experience I have ever gone through, and I can't say that whole thing was exactly peanuts for that family member either.
And we know it was difficult for Beth to see too.
Yes. It certainly was.
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!
Goodnight everyone!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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Quote from: klaasend on March 11, 2009, 10:32:53 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:11:23 PM
klaas- if I remove the headers, can I post an email?
It concerns the topic at hand.
That's a tough question. I'd rather you say who the email was from and then just give us the readers digest version..
You know like XXX told me via email that blah blah blah
OK.................let me take a stab at it that way.
On January 16 2008 I received a phone call from xxxx at Kurtis Productions who was now our second contact person with the company.
xxxx told me that xxxx and xxxx were now in Aruba, and this new contact of ours was making scheduling arrangements to get us to Chicago for interviews.
During that phone call, I let this person know about the communications we had been having with Kyle Kingman who was aboard the Persistence offshore Atruba at that time. I suggested that xxxx and xxxx might want to meet with him/them, because Kurtis Prod. had already talked with/interviewed Beth, had gone thru our disposal at sea timeline - and all were in agreement that was the most likely scenario, due to all the facts, tips that had come in, etc.
On January 24 2008, emails were exchanged with our second contact, as xxxx and xxxx were still on Aruba. These emails pertained to a leak by a "journalist" on that island about their crew being there, and that news of their project was now spreading like wildfire across the internet.
This person was concerned, wanted to see the originating post of this "journalist". I learned that xxxx and xxxx had made contact with Persistence.
On January 30, more emails were exchanged with this second contact person who confirmed that xxxx and xxxx were now back from Aruba.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:35:05 PM
Quote from: Kermit on March 11, 2009, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:30:03 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon on March 11, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
I will repeat this and Gawd let it not be true:
I HOPE & PRAY THAT THE CAGE WAS NOT A STAGED EVENT to spice up the production. Remember Caps dove down to the cage afterwards and the cage was still there. I hope nothing was planted in there to stage all this for MONEY.
So do I, Blue Moon!!!
I had to make a telephone call last March that I never imagined I would make, and that I hope to never experience anything like again.
I had to tell a member of Natalee's family that there were images of what Kyle Kingman stated were the remains of their loved one that they were about to see.
That was the most heart wrenching experience I have ever gone through, and I can't say that whole thing was exactly peanuts for that family member either.
And we know it was difficult for Beth to see too.
Yes. It certainly was.
This is just making me sick to my stomach. I cannot imagine what you all have gone through with all this much less what Beth and Dave.
Hats off to each of you Freebirds for staying on this and bringing it all out in the open.
What now?
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So...........Either........................
(a) Kyle spoke the truth, then backtracked. Oil mapping performed. Blind eye to possible contents of trap, NH. Tim Miller removed from boat and deemed a liabilty. Police boat dive team recovery of contents. Incorrect fabric tested by FBI. No word ever again by anyone about trap.
(b) Kurtis Productions, Silvetti, Schaeffer, CAPS, AHATA, ALE, etc... all did a documentary and sought to make it more interesting by creating a set of phony, unexplainable circumstances around a deep water ocean search for the body of NH. All the while, employing internet bloggers to lend credibility to the "made for TV" filming?
I kinda still go with (a). The HINKY meter is still going off for me...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
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Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: jen3560 on March 11, 2009, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: Lifesong on March 11, 2009, 09:49:14 PM
Well..
I don't know if any monkeys have ever seen "Defending Your Life", its an older comedy - Albert Brooks, Meryl Streep, Rip Torn. At one point Albert Brooks' character is told that he had only used 3% of his brain during his life.
As he's overwhelmed with information and trying to understand and figure it all out, Brooks' character says, "My 3% is swimming!"
So many times with this case I've wanted to post....my 3% is swimming!
Any rough approximation for me as to when Kurtis Productions was in Aruba? That'll at least give me a starting place!
I know it was january.................let me check my emails and get you an exact range of dates........
Lifesong -
They were in Aruba by Jan 16th - and I don't think it was but a day or two prior to the 16 when they arrived.
They were back home sometime between jan 25 and jan 29.
Thanks, Jen!
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=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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