Haleigh Marie Cummings #17 6/26/09 - 8/6/09

[penny for your thoughts]

WOW, I thought someone would have for sure written a response to my reply by now ,.. It moves kinda slowin here doesn't it ? .. Is it always like this or is this pace out of the ordinary ?

I can't add anything to the lock bumping issue .. I don't recall Ron having spoken of the issue but I admit I did miss a few shows that they appeared on ..

I guess this lock bumping is about making a key that fits ? .. I don't have a clue , but whatever itis it would have to be quiet & yet even if it is I still don't buy into anytype of covert operation to get into Ron's house ..

Haleigh & the gun was missing .. If drugs had been missing I think we would have heard ..

I would lke to know how many guns Ron was owner of , where he kept them , did he keep them all together, & who knew where they were ..

Ron said the night that Haleigh went missing that he would shoot whoever did this, so if Ron was owner of 1 gun , then he had no clue at the time he made that statement that his weapon was missing also ..

Where was the gun that was taken that night,  & was it always & or usually kept there, who knew it was there ..

i don't think they would inform the police if their drugs were missing...but thats just me.

I respectfully disagree ,.. I don't think Ron would put his daughter below his pill count .

Missing drugs that he may have had in the house the day that Haleigh went missing would be a good indicator of who may have taken her ..

I don't think he would put his drugs ahead of her so to speak and he may have divulged that if that would have narrowed down the suspect list... but in this town i don't think it would have mattered so why give out useless incriminating things against yourself JMO

[islandmonkey]

  BBL Monkeys~

heading out for the day and leaving the laptop at work.......chat with you tomorrow.

[no rose colored glasses]

BBL Monkeys~

heading out for the day and leaving the laptop at work.......chat with you tomorrow.

Have a good night 

[penny for your thoughts]

Regardless if DCF did or didn't tell Ron how to spank properly, it was still an unneccessary thing to throw into the conversation by Ron. What was the point of that? I'm sure there was a very good reason for it.

It was weird  because in that very moment he incriminated himself by disclosing the fact that he HAD TO BE told by DCF what was the "proper" form of discipline........

don't know hhow many times he said it but the way i remember it was he refered to it as dcf helped him and haleigh set up a discipline agreement/or maybe arrangement... whatever he said as soon as i heard it... it screamed service plan to me... that is basicly a "contract" that you sign with dss usually before the closing of a case or investigation ... it usually outlines all thhe rules and recomendations... like get counseling... stay away from drugs... do not abuse family members... get your kid to school on time etc. etc.
it's something you sign that says you will follow all their recomendations and lays out the recomendations

I thought I recalled he kept saying he had an agreement with Haleigh, because I wondered what the heck was her side of the agreement. But, maybe he mispoke because what you posted makes more sense.

well the stupid part about it is it is actually called a "family service plan" and usually all house hold memebers sign it... even kids providing it is kid friendly... like they wouldn't say promise you won't molest your kid and then ask the kid to sign that but if it was a not so severe type of contract haleigh may have been asked to sign it too... these are not actual "contracts" and are pretty much a joke if you ask me... you couldn't really be bound in court that well with them and they cannot force you to agree with them either... my friend had an investigation called in on her by a spiteful neighbor... her daughter had missed a lot of school due to illnesses... and the process goes a report is called in, and they deem whether or not an investigation is waranted, if a call comes in from someone who admits to not having seen you in years but they have a hunch you are beating your kid then they wouldn't even bother to open an investigation if they deem an investigation is needed they will do most of it without you knowing and then decide if a case needs to be opened... supported or unsupported is the outcome of an investigation... so they called her school found out she did have a lot of absences and opened a case (supported)... they showed up unannounced at her door and she was told that a 51a was opened and that dss was now involved... they talked with my friend who reported the absences were due to illness she allowed them to speak with the kids dr. and the case was closed... before they closed the case they tried to get her to sign one of these service plans and she told them to screw and they closed it anyways... these service plans are silly and are just a way for dcf/dss to cover their own a$$es if they need to.... but that is the terminology they use "agreement" that's what clicked in my mind as soon as i heard him put it that way

[my2cents]

I don't understand why DCF doesn't require Misty to take random drug tests since she is now the step mom to Ron jr. and has admitted to LE that she was using all kinds of stuff during the three day bender?

[penny for your thoughts]

monkeys..
i need help with the time line..correct any errors
misty left friday?
returned monday-was in the van picked Haleigh up -per witness
g-maw says she picked Haleigh up too as well as dad.
Haleigh goes missing Mon. night.
Who watched the kids over the weekend??

does ron even work weekends?

i don't know...

I think it was discussed that perhaps one of the grandmas had the kids over the weekend...and maybe THAT was why she brought by clean clothes.  (my mother in law washes my daughters clothes when she stays over.  I don't know why )

mine too lOL

[penny for your thoughts]

I don't understand why DCF doesn't require Misty to take random drug tests since she is now the step mom to Ron jr. and has admitted to LE that she was using all kinds of stuff during the three day bender?

up here in Mass dss cannot force anyone to take a drug test anymore without a court order as it is now an invasion of privacy... ridiculous I know but true... they would have to get permission from a judge to make you take one or even ask you to... you can offer them willingly at your own expense but that rarely ever happens... most times they do not have the man power time or effort to actually go to a judge... this just recently ws changed in the past couple years before that they could make you and now they can't

[penny for your thoughts]

to the person reporting that us monkeys are upset for being banned at art's you can let him know that I was never banned yet I did stop trying to post there months ago after he stopped posting my comments and started using my points and contents as his own... how's that for copyright infringement art?

[penny for your thoughts]

gotta go do some work guys be back later seems like most monkeys have cleared out anyways...

[my2cents]

I don't understand why DCF doesn't require Misty to take random drug tests since she is now the step mom to Ron jr. and has admitted to LE that she was using all kinds of stuff during the three day bender?

up here in Mass dss cannot force anyone to take a drug test anymore without a court order as it is now an invasion of privacy... ridiculous I know but true... they would have to get permission from a judge to make you take one or even ask you to... you can offer them willingly at your own expense but that rarely ever happens... most times they do not have the man power time or effort to actually go to a judge... this just recently ws changed in the past couple years before that they could make you and now they can't

oh okay....that makes sense

[Heart]

Only animal remains at Griffis property, not Haleigh's

The investigation into Haleigh Cummings' disappearance moved to Mud Lake Road the morning of June 26, after investigators found out animal remains were buried at her maternal grandmother's property east of CR 229.

Authorities learned about the remains in an interview with local family members and began a search for them with the help of cadaver dogs and private search teams.

Putnam County Sheriff's Office Detective Dominic Piscitello said 40 officers from his department, the Jacksonville and Baker County sheriff's offices were at the scene as well.

"The property owners said there were buried animals on the property so we need to turn over every stone to verify that's what it is," he said. "There's no reason to believe it's not an animal."

The search area encompassed 45 acres and three ponds. Work began about 10:00 am.

The property has only been searched once before, two days after Haleigh Cummings disappeared in the early  morning hours of February 9.

Det. Piscitello said the five hour and 45 minute effort turned up nothing but animal remains — including those of a horse, goats and cows — which were examined by an anthropologist from the University of Florida to ensure they weren't human remains.

http://www.bakercountypress.com/

[penny for your thoughts]

I don't understand why DCF doesn't require Misty to take random drug tests since she is now the step mom to Ron jr. and has admitted to LE that she was using all kinds of stuff during the three day bender?

up here in Mass dss cannot force anyone to take a drug test anymore without a court order as it is now an invasion of privacy... ridiculous I know but true... they would have to get permission from a judge to make you take one or even ask you to... you can offer them willingly at your own expense but that rarely ever happens... most times they do not have the man power time or effort to actually go to a judge... this just recently ws changed in the past couple years before that they could make you and now they can't

oh okay....that makes sense

like I said I don't know how it is down in Florida but that could be a reason why

[penny for your thoughts]

Only animal remains at Griffis property, not Haleigh's

The investigation into Haleigh Cummings' disappearance moved to Mud Lake Road the morning of June 26, after investigators found out animal remains were buried at her maternal grandmother's property east of CR 229.

Authorities learned about the remains in an interview with local family members and began a search for them with the help of cadaver dogs and private search teams.

Putnam County Sheriff's Office Detective Dominic Piscitello said 40 officers from his department, the Jacksonville and Baker County sheriff's offices were at the scene as well.

"The property owners said there were buried animals on the property so we need to turn over every stone to verify that's what it is," he said. "There's no reason to believe it's not an animal."

The search area encompassed 45 acres and three ponds. Work began about 10:00 am.

The property has only been searched once before, two days after Haleigh Cummings disappeared in the early  morning hours of February 9.

Det. Piscitello said the five hour and 45 minute effort turned up nothing but animal remains — including those of a horse, goats and cows — which were examined by an anthropologist from the University of Florida to ensure they weren't human remains.

http://www.bakercountypress.com/

whoa am i wrong on this... I thought Haleigh was reported missing in the morning hours of feb 10th... hoiw could they have done a search 2 days later on feb 9th? am i off on this... i know it was a monday/tuesday morning but i don't have a calender nearbty to check a date...

[Thunder Bunny]

I don't understand why DCF doesn't require Misty to take random drug tests since she is now the step mom to Ron jr. and has admitted to LE that she was using all kinds of stuff during the three day bender?

up here in Mass dss cannot force anyone to take a drug test anymore without a court order as it is now an invasion of privacy... ridiculous I know but true... they would have to get permission from a judge to make you take one or even ask you to... you can offer them willingly at your own expense but that rarely ever happens... most times they do not have the man power time or effort to actually go to a judge... this just recently ws changed in the past couple years before that they could make you and now they can't

O/T again. sorry.
That's so foreign to me.  Here in Texas, if I get hurt on the job, or my boss suspects I've been hitting the sauce, (so to speak) they give us a drug test on the spot.  And then they escort us out of the building until it comes back. 

[penny for your thoughts]

I don't understand why DCF doesn't require Misty to take random drug tests since she is now the step mom to Ron jr. and has admitted to LE that she was using all kinds of stuff during the three day bender?

up here in Mass dss cannot force anyone to take a drug test anymore without a court order as it is now an invasion of privacy... ridiculous I know but true... they would have to get permission from a judge to make you take one or even ask you to... you can offer them willingly at your own expense but that rarely ever happens... most times they do not have the man power time or effort to actually go to a judge... this just recently ws changed in the past couple years before that they could make you and now they can't

O/T again. sorry.
That's so foreign to me.  Here in Texas, if I get hurt on the job, or my boss suspects I've been hitting the sauce, (so to speak) they give us a drug test on the spot.  And then they escort us out of the building until it comes back. 

yeah they do that up here as well but i don't think the trend has hit jobsites yet... plus it's not like you have to take one you could just lose your job instead... they can hang your job over your head in situatrions that have to do wit danger but they are not willing to hang your kids over your head if you are a druggie... the whole thing is really stupid... also up here in regards to work places they are trying to make it impossible for you to be fired for being a drunk since alcoholism is a disease and the hippa act and all.. but i'm pretty sure they would not let you operate heavy machinery or anything drunk... don't know how that works but there was a lady in my work who wreaks like a bar but since she does not interact with the public face to face and she has a desk job and it doesn't interfere with her duties (answering the phone) we can't get rid of her we already tried and we got a letter from her lawyer saying if we did she would pursue a civil case that she was defamed for her disease

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[Heart]

Only animal remains at Griffis property, not Haleigh's

The investigation into Haleigh Cummings' disappearance moved to Mud Lake Road the morning of June 26, after investigators found out animal remains were buried at her maternal grandmother's property east of CR 229.

Authorities learned about the remains in an interview with local family members and began a search for them with the help of cadaver dogs and private search teams.

Putnam County Sheriff's Office Detective Dominic Piscitello said 40 officers from his department, the Jacksonville and Baker County sheriff's offices were at the scene as well.

"The property owners said there were buried animals on the property so we need to turn over every stone to verify that's what it is," he said. "There's no reason to believe it's not an animal."

The search area encompassed 45 acres and three ponds. Work began about 10:00 am.

The property has only been searched once before, two days after Haleigh Cummings disappeared in the early  morning hours of February 9.

Det. Piscitello said the five hour and 45 minute effort turned up nothing but animal remains — including those of a horse, goats and cows — which were examined by an anthropologist from the University of Florida to ensure they weren't human remains.

http://www.bakercountypress.com/

whoa am i wrong on this... I thought Haleigh was reported missing in the morning hours of feb 10th... hoiw could they have done a search 2 days later on feb 9th? am i off on this... i know it was a monday/tuesday morning but i don't have a calender nearbty to check a date...

No, you are not wrong, I believe the writer is wrong.

[mamacrazy30]

I don't understand why DCF doesn't require Misty to take random drug tests since she is now the step mom to Ron jr. and has admitted to LE that she was using all kinds of stuff during the three day bender?

maybe 'cause she wasn't step-mom 'till after Haleigh went missing...i don't think they can just randomly drug test people...
sorry didn't read all..
do you know if DCF is still involved with the cummings household?

[mamacrazy30]

I don't understand why DCF doesn't require Misty to take random drug tests since she is now the step mom to Ron jr. and has admitted to LE that she was using all kinds of stuff during the three day bender?

up here in Mass dss cannot force anyone to take a drug test anymore without a court order as it is now an invasion of privacy... ridiculous I know but true... they would have to get permission from a judge to make you take one or even ask you to... you can offer them willingly at your own expense but that rarely ever happens... most times they do not have the man power time or effort to actually go to a judge... this just recently ws changed in the past couple years before that they could make you and now they can't

O/T again. sorry.
That's so foreign to me.  Here in Texas, if I get hurt on the job, or my boss suspects I've been hitting the sauce, (so to speak) they give us a drug test on the spot.  And then they escort us out of the building until it comes back. 

they can do it here in AR if its a 'drug-free' workplace and you have to take one before they hire you.

[mamacrazy30]

I don't understand why DCF doesn't require Misty to take random drug tests since she is now the step mom to Ron jr. and has admitted to LE that she was using all kinds of stuff during the three day bender?

up here in Mass dss cannot force anyone to take a drug test anymore without a court order as it is now an invasion of privacy... ridiculous I know but true... they would have to get permission from a judge to make you take one or even ask you to... you can offer them willingly at your own expense but that rarely ever happens... most times they do not have the man power time or effort to actually go to a judge... this just recently ws changed in the past couple years before that they could make you and now they can't

O/T again. sorry.
That's so foreign to me.  Here in Texas, if I get hurt on the job, or my boss suspects I've been hitting the sauce, (so to speak) they give us a drug test on the spot.  And then they escort us out of the building until it comes back. 

yeah they do that up here as well but i don't think the trend has hit jobsites yet... plus it's not like you have to take one you could just lose your job instead... they can hang your job over your head in situatrions that have to do wit danger but they are not willing to hang your kids over your head if you are a druggie... the whole thing is really stupid... also up here in regards to work places they are trying to make it impossible for you to be fired for being a drunk since alcoholism is a disease and the hippa act and all.. but i'm pretty sure they would not let you operate heavy machinery or anything drunk... don't know how that works but there was a lady in my work who wreaks like a bar but since she does not interact with the public face to face and she has a desk job and it doesn't interfere with her duties (answering the phone) we can't get rid of her we already tried and we got a letter from her lawyer saying if we did she would pursue a civil case that she was defamed for her disease

well, imo if she lawyered up she can't be that drunk..