Natalee Case Discussion #825 10/12/09 - 11/07/09

[Magnolia]

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Lazlo Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:48 pm   
The Evidence (acc. to Dutch correspondent)

According to Eric Mouthaan, Dutch news correspondent, the evidence is Joran incriminating himself.

He said Joran has talked while speaking to ppl on the phone about Natalee's death/how she died.

They have this on tape.

Sorry if any channel already brought this news and/or if it already has been posted.

(this is not said by an OM spokesperson directly on camera, but Mouthaan seems to be sure, presented it as fact) 

[texasmom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?

Friday , December 05, 2008
 
This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," December 4, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: John Q. Kelly, you have a voicemail. Well, the lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family has been trying to get Aruban's chief prosecutor, Hans Mos. Well, Mos finally returned Mr. Kelly's call, and apparently left John Kelly a rather nasty voicemail. John
Q. Kelly is with us.
John, let's get some timing, first of all. When did you send that letter asking to have the arrest? When was that sent?

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY: Eight days ago. It would have been last Wednesday.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Get a response?

KELLY: No response to the letter. First phone call back was today, my cell phone.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. When did you get -- when did you last make a phone call to Hans Mos?

KELLY: Yesterday morning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Before -- yesterday morning?

KELLY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And I take it you said, Call me back, right?

KELLY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So what was your voicemail that met you today? What'd you get?

KELLY: Oh, I wouldn't call it nasty. I would say it was curt. He was clearly angry. And it was just basically two things. One, he said it was unfortunate, what I said about him on your show the other night, which, whatever it was, I stand by it 100 percent. And the second thing was, basically, Don't hold your breath on the letter you wrote me.

But Greta, this is petty stuff. Let me tell you, there's incredible news out of Aruba and the Netherlands today. And I don't know if you're aware of it. The minister of justice, Rudy Croes, has now come out and publicly said that the police chief at the time in Aruba when Natalee Holloway disappeared, Jan van der Straaten, was clearly complicit with Paulus van der Sloot in covering up for Joran in the initial days after Natalee's disappearance. He's calling for a whole new investigation, and he's basically, by stating that, corroborating what Joran told you in talking to you.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Well, I'm delighted that the minister of justice is finally doing that. But any clue why he waited three-and-a-half years, when the trail is really cold?

KELLY: Well, it's remarkable. None of this is about Natalee and a missing young women, and you know, parents without child. It's a bunch of ego stuff right now. It's Van der Straaten apparently criticized the police investigators, his own investigators, this week. Rudy Croes in turn then came out and said, “What's Van der Straaten talking about?” He's the one that covered up with Paulus van der Sloot. We have a whole trail of phone calls between Van der Straaten and Van der Sloot in terms of what happened in the days after Natalee's disappearance. Van der Straaten, he went on to say, used his second-rate investigation team to -- to check into Natalee's disappearance initially and just, you know, covered the whole thing up, deliberately hindered the prosecution and investigation into Natalee's disappearance.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right...

KELLY: Between Paulus van der Sloot and the chief of police...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. You and I are having a nice, sort of calm-voice conversation, but the headline is the minister of justice in Aruba now admits there was a cover-up.

KELLY: Between the chief of police and Paulus van der Sloot, yes. For starters.

VAN SUSTEREN: And Hans Mos, his reaction to this is to leave you a voicemail saying he didn't like what you said on TV the other night and basically, “Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.”

KELLY: Right. And now we have more new evidence. We have clear evidence of the cover-up between the chief of police and Paulus van der Sloot in addition to the damning admissions made by Joran van der Sloot of criminal conduct, the kidnapping and trafficking and the implication of others.
You know what, Greta? Just going back to your conversation with Joran on tape, everybody's saying, Well, why don't you get an exemplar of Paulus's voice, and things like that. You know what? Hey, Paulus, why don't you stick your head out the front door and say, That's not my voice and I didn't have that conversation with my son, and end all this?
Kalpoes have been dead silent. Joran certainly hasn't come to bat for his father or anybody else in this thing. I know he's tuned into all this. And you know, it's just unbelievable. You've got a 21-year-old woman who might be out there terrified, helpless, being told nobody cares, nobody's looking for you, and you have all these people over in Aruba pointing the finger at each other now and forgetting about what it's all about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And it's, like, Holland, where are you? What's Holland doing? This is part of their kingdom. They're doing nothing. The prosecutor's now worried about you saying something about him not returning phone calls, and you've got the minister of justice admitting that there is a cover-up. Paulus van der Sloot won't give an exemplar and stick his head out the door. So basically -- I don't know. Shoot me, John. It's just, like -- I cannot believe the -- the...

KELLY: Oh, it's unbelievable.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... Unbelievable cruelty on the part of all these people. Shame on them.

KELLY: And then, to end it all, Rudy Croes complained about the Netherlands not backing up Aruba, you know, with international moral support after he admits that his own police department was in a complicit cover-up.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, John...

KELLY: Greta, last thing. This is a stain on Aruba, a horrible stain...

VAN SUSTEREN: A stain? It's worse than that!

KELLY: It's getting...

VAN SUSTEREN: A stain...

KELLY: ... Bigger. It's getting bigger darker. They're the only ones that can clean it up, and they'd better do something soon because it's only getting worse.

VAN SUSTEREN: John, thank you.

KELLY: Sure, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Up next: As you heard, the justice minister of Aruba is admitting something disturbing, incredibly disturbing. He says there's a cover-up. Finally, this could blow the lid off this investigation if they'd ever get off their whatever and want to investigate. A live report from Aruba is next.

snip

VAN SUSTEREN: Finally, maybe, the Aruban Justice Minister is talking. It has been three and a half years. Joining by phone from Aruba is Jossy Mansur, publisher and managing editor of Diario Newspaper.
Jossy, what did the justice minister say, and does it have any impact whatsoever in Aruba?

JOSSY MANSUR, DIARIO NEWSPAPER IN ARUBA: He is saying a lot of important things that have a lot of impact in Aruba. He has openly and publicly accused the ex-chief of police that he refused to arrest Joran van der Sloot because he was the son of his best friend, Paulus.

VAN SUSTEREN: And does that make any difference to anybody in Aruba?

MANSUR: It does make a difference to many people here in Aruba, of course, because coming from the minister of justice, who was in charge of the police--he is the director of the police corps and (INAUDIBLE) that occupied themselves with the disappearance of Natalee. Of course it's important.

VAN SUSTEREN: Does he have any proof that the chief of police did this or that there was a cover-up?

MANSUR: He does not have any proof as such outside of other declarations(ph) of other people who have heard the same kind of statement before.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is our interview with Joran van der Sloot pushing any investigation further. Are they taking it at all seriously because they still haven't asked for it? They haven't asked for the records that we think could either prove or disprove. But is it having any impact whatsoever in Aruba?

MANSUR: I think it had a lot of impact worldwide. We saw this man lie again, lie his head off. He doesn't care if it's publicly or whatever. And I think that it has not stirred the prosecution to the degree that they should be after him by now.

VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.
Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.
And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Jossy, thank you, and we hope that there is a full, fair, and complete investigation some time. Thank you, Jossy.

MANSUR: OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: Let's bring in our panel. Joining us live are criminal defense attorneys Michael Cardoza, Ted Williams, and Bernie Grimm. Michael, do you want to start?

MICHAEL CARDOZA, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Sure. Does this surprise me that there is something of a cover-up? No. It is a small island. What the minister of defense is saying makes absolute sense to me.
And we have known this right from the get-go. We knew there was some sort of delay, cover-up. They wait 10 days before they arrest Joran.
What should they do now? The Dutch really should step in. I am a little bit suspect of the minister of justice, because he waits this long to come forward and say something. Why did he wait this long?
Everybody is pointing fingers now at each other, but somebody neutral has to come in and resolve this. They have enough to prosecute this case. And this kid is hateful(ph).

VAN SUSTEREN: Michael, earlier this morning on Gretawire I posted asking them to contact the Dutch embassy to finally get them to do something. And a lot of people have contacted the Dutch embassy. I have to go back and read the comments, but the Dutch embassy here in the United States does need to since this is part of the kingdom.
All right, Bernie, this is what slays me, that Hans Mos is more concerned about what John Q. Kelly says on TV about him then even to look at the tape, investigate any of this stuff. It is stunning to me.

BERNIE GRIMM, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It would be as if Eric Holder got offended that somebody said something about a department of justice investigation, a civil rights investigation in Mississippi, and he called the person and said, "Do not leave those messages. You are upsetting me."
I do not know what to say. I can't say it even on FOX, this racy, classy network, that I want to say.
But either the Dutch or the FBI, someone with some level of competence needs to get involved instead of us just playing tennis from the baseline here.

TED WILLIAMS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I talked about the word "corroboration" in this investigation. Rudy Croes has come out, Greta, and represented that there was a cover-up with this Van der Straaten and Paulus.
Now, if you remember, a few nights ago, you interviewed someone who had gone down to Aruba who can corroborate, and this is what one of your viewers who came on this show said-Van der Straaten told us, he said, quote, "I do not think I could arrest my best friend's son. I am his godfather, and I honestly don't think he is guilty. He is a witness."
This was somebody independent of that island that you talked to on this show, and that person has now corroborated.
So there is some nexus, and I really believe that clearly there is a cover-up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Bernie, what it is? Why won't they do this? You would think they have a sense of decency. There is a lot of missing persons all over the world, but they are worried about being insulted on TV.

GRIMM: It seems that they've dug their heels in, and Natalee has become the non-issue in the case. And their position and self- righteousness and soapbox position with the media seems to be what they are obsessing about.

VAN SUSTEREN: Maybe that's now, but go back to June '05. This was the same way in June of '05 before they even met us. It is stunning.

GRIMM: It is troubling. From the outset, when Van der Sloot and his boy said, "Listen. The black guys did it," after that everything was downhill.

WILLIAMS: Bernie, there's a bottom line here. The Dutch need to get involved. The Netherlands need to have an independent investigation. They cannot police themselves on that island.

VAN SUSTEREN: Michael, you have 15 seconds and we have to go.

CARDOZA: You know what's so hateful about this-

VAN SUSTEREN: A lot.

CARDOZA: --Is that this kid says-a lot, you're right-but this kid says that she's dead it, she died in his arms. And then later, he says, "Oh, no. She is alive, and she is in Venezuela." Think how the parents feel here. They ought to--

VAN SUSTEREN: Stop right there, Michael, come on. Then 30 days later he is having a conversation that's taped, and he's talking about her as though she's alive. And this prosecutor would not do anything. The police would not do anything. The minister of justice would not do anything. They have been dragging their heels.

CARDOZA: Agreed.

VAN SUSTEREN: Holland is not doing anything. They're all doing nothing because they don't care and they want this to go away.

CARDOZA: They have enough to prosecute this case. They have enough to prosecute him now.

VAN SUSTEREN: They're worried about telephone calls -
(CROSSTALK)
VAN SUSTEREN: It's horrible.

[wreck]

This was posted by Lazlo at RU


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Lazlo Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:48 pm   
The Evidence (acc. to Dutch correspondent)

According to Eric Mouthaan, Dutch news correspondent, the evidence is Joran incriminating himself.

He said Joran has talked while speaking to ppl on the phone about Natalee's death/how she died.

They have this on tape.

Sorry if any channel already brought this news and/or if it already has been posted.

(this is not said by an OM spokesperson directly on camera, but Mouthaan seems to be sure, presented it as fact) 

And all of this was BEFORE the Patrick/Devries tapes. Those of you that want to throw the Devies under the bus need to at least address this. - -JMO

[texasmom]

This was posted by Lazlo at RU


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Lazlo Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:48 pm   
The Evidence (acc. to Dutch correspondent)

According to Eric Mouthaan, Dutch news correspondent, the evidence is Joran incriminating himself.

He said Joran has talked while speaking to ppl on the phone about Natalee's death/how she died.

They have this on tape.

Sorry if any channel already brought this news and/or if it already has been posted.

(this is not said by an OM spokesperson directly on camera, but Mouthaan seems to be sure, presented it as fact) 

And all of this was BEFORE the Patrick/Devries tapes. Those of you that want to throw the Devies under the bus need to at least address this. - -JMO

  I agree.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks to the faithful...

 

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

[texasmom]

Also from one of the articles I posted Mos was not the lead prosecutor in the case at the time of the November 2007 arrests.  For those arrests to have been for the purpose that some have speculated, this would have required the involvement of MANY including the 10 lawyers on the panel, the lead prosecutor on the case (not Mos), at least one judge, and would have required the silence of the remaining from the total 45 people working the case.  If those arrests had been for any other reason than what was being reported, after all this time...and the attention this case is still getting after all this time; I find it very hard to believe that that number of people would have been complicit with a hoax of that magnitude.

JMO

[Magnolia]

Also from one of the articles I posted Mos was not the lead prosecutor in the case at the time of the November 2007 arrests.  For those arrests to have been for the purpose that some have speculated, this would have required the involvement of MANY including the 10 lawyers on the panel, the lead prosecutor on the case (not Mos), at least one judge, and would have required the silence of the remaining from the total 45 people working the case.  If those arrests had been for any other reason than what was being reported, after all this time...and the attention this case is still getting after all this time; I find it very hard to believe that that number of people would have been complicit with a hoax of that magnitude.

JMO

Good Point, TM.  I agree.

[Magnolia]

Aruba is a corrupt place.  I think most islands are.  I guess it is the pirate heritage
There is nothing we can do to change that corruption, hard as we may try.

We have to accept that our Government and our FBI are powerless against that little rock
unless they request help.  I don't believe they are going to do that. 

Keeping that in mind, I think the worst thing we can do is bash every reporter or person who tries to
do something to try to uncover evidence against J2K+Paulus.  Why would anybody want
to get involved and get bashed by a bunch of scared monkeys?  I don't think any price would
be worth having your named dragged through the mud.  We are not a kind  bunch of monkeys.

That is just Magnolia's opinion.

[texasmom]

Aruba is a corrupt place.  I think most islands are.  I guess it is the pirate heritage
There is nothing we can do to change that corruption, hard as we may try.

We have to accept that our Government and our FBI are powerless against that little rock
unless they request help.  I don't believe they are going to do that. 

Keeping that in mind, I think the worst thing we can do is bash every reporter or person who tries to do something to try to uncover evidence against J2K+Paulus.  Why would anybody want
to get involved and get bashed by a bunch of scared monkeys?  I don't think any price would
be worth having your named dragged through the mud.  We are not a kind  bunch of monkeys.

That is just Magnolia's opinion.

In this case especially I think it's normal (after all we've seen over the years) to be suspicious of just about everything.  But we should be responsible in our speculation and not carry it too far.  I do think some of it has gone to far, without adequate basis.  Someday if that speculation is proven to be true, then I'll have been wrong.  So be it.  I'd much rather be wrong, than feel responsible for dragging someone through the mud that didn't deserve it.  That's just me.

[texasmom]

Aruba is a corrupt place.  I think most islands are.  I guess it is the pirate heritage
There is nothing we can do to change that corruption, hard as we may try.

We have to accept that our Government and our FBI are powerless against that little rock
unless they request help.  I don't believe they are going to do that. 

Keeping that in mind, I think the worst thing we can do is bash every reporter or person who tries to do something to try to uncover evidence against J2K+Paulus.  Why would anybody want
to get involved and get bashed by a bunch of scared monkeys?  I don't think any price would
be worth having your named dragged through the mud.  We are not a kind  bunch of monkeys.

That is just Magnolia's opinion.

In this case especially I think it's normal (after all we've seen over the years) to be suspicious of just about everything.  But we should be responsible in our speculation and not carry it too far.  I do think some of it has gone too far, without adequate basis.  Someday if that speculation is proven to be true, then I'll have been wrong.  So be it.  I'd much rather be wrong, than feel responsible for dragging someone through the mud that didn't deserve it.  That's just me.

self edit   

[Mere]

Good Night, nightcrew.....I think San's team won....  

Old people are on their bikes and heading to bed...................................

See you all tomorrow.....

[Tamikosmom]

Hello Peter

Please read the Range Rover transcript!  Listen to the Range Rover transcript.  Joran admitted that he cannot be sure that Natalee Holloway was deceased following her apparent seizure prior to being dumped in the ocean.

It appears that you are determined that Joran van der Sloot is not going to be implicated in anything more serious than the felony of disposing of a body.  Was that the collaborated plan?

Think about it ... Joran admitted to Patrick van der Eem in the Range Rover recording that he could not be sure that Natalee Holloway was dead was deceased.

Peter ... why are you upholding the Aruban "powers that be" that the only wrongdoing that Joran van der Sloot confessed to was the felony of assisting in the disposal of a "body" which ... under Dutch law ... is a misdemeanor.

Janet

+++++

ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES

Peter Devries
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

At last Joran gives a complete confession, in which he reconstructs in detail what happened on the fatal night of the 29th onto the 30th of May 2005 on Aruba.

He and Natalee were dropped off that night by the Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in their silver-gray Honda Civic nearby the Mariott Hotel on Palm Beach.  This is more than 100 meters away from the so-called Fisherman’s Huts, of which Joran talked about to the police.

After that he and Natalee were making love on the beach, when all of the sudden Natalee started to shake and seemed to have died. Joran dragged her body to some bushes that grow alongside the beach and walked up to a payphone near the swimming pool of the Marriot Hotel to call a friend.

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives.  During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


ACCORDING TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Range Rover Transcripts

Patrick: How did you know she was dead?
 
Joran: She didn't move anymore.
 
Patrick: And Daury, did he check?

Joran: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

Patrick: That's it? What if she was in coma?

Joran: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know [if she was dead], she could have been in a coma.  I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good. I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead. Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead.  Could've been a coma.

[texasmom]

Good Night, nightcrew.....I think San's team won....  

Old people are on their bikes and heading to bed...................................

See you all tomorrow.....

Thanks Mere, so I guess that makes it official:

 Phillies (bearlyhere) vs Yankees (San) in the WS!     

Good night, sweet dreams!   

[billb's daughter]

So much effort defending Peter.....
Why? 
I appreciate all the posts implying that the arrests of urine/k2 Nov 21 2007 had nothing to do with the RR tapes...
so much NEW evidence that warranted the arrests...even a team of 10 lawyers from the NL led by another OM/not mos (he only was in charge of PR, after all).
where did all that NEW evidence lead? J.Q. Kelly said there was NO new evidence....even went as far as to say the arrests were bogus (99.9% sure when greta asked him if he was 100% sure).
What I believe it did was set the bar THAT MUCH HIGHER for a rearrest in the event of real NEW evidence discovered in the future...
WHAT THE ARRESTS did do....prevented Peter/Patrick hidden camera sting to start on or about 21 Nov 2007.
Put urine/k2 together with the ale/om for a couple of weeks - was this time used to solidify stories/update urine/k2 with latest intel/prep urine/k2/their lawyers/ale/om with possible future discoveries by persistence search (I contend the the persistence search efforts were publicized in July 2007....and it is not a stretch in my mind to think the the arrests were solely for the purpose of aruba powers that be/ale/om to circle the wagons (so to speak) to prepare for the possibility that the water search may yield evidence (like cage/Natalee clothing/remains)...
Back on point....
The arrests delayed the RR tapes...turns out the RR tapes happened AFTER the persistence discovery (and yes...ALE/OM was prominent in the discovery, so they obviously knew on 7 Jan 2008 that the cage held something that may be case related)....
The RR tapes were revealed to the world on 4 Feb 2008.....
Peter/mos/dolf had secret meeting between Jan 24 - 29, 2008 - mos said not enough evidence on the RR tapes to rearrest urine....5th tape recorded..  then later in Feb 2008 judge first then 3 panel judges on appeal ruled the tapes didn't offer enough new evidence (Because urine lies... ).
If there is not a connection between the arrests in Nov 2007 and the discrediting of the RR tapes in Feb 2008....
I'll be glad to eat crow...way too much circumstantial evidence for me NOT to believe there IS A CONNECTION...watching the way aruba has acted over the last 4+ yrs is my basis..
Please scroll on by if you don't think it is worth further discussion/dissection...
I won't be offended....

[billb's daughter]

Good Night Magnolia, texasmom and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....

[texasmom]

November 21, 2007 On the Record with John Q. Kelly



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwG4TvGJdQI



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/kwG4TvGJdQI&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/kwG4TvGJdQI&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0</a>

[texasmom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzs2_DaN-3I&feature=fvw

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/qzs2_DaN-3I&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/qzs2_DaN-3I&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0</a>

listen carefully at 05:00...

And...to my knowledge crime reporters don't make law enforcement decisions...even in Aruba and/or Holland.

[texasmom]

billb,

Tim Miller

Dave Holloway

Peter DeVries

Who's next?

I've stated my reasons for defending Peter DeVries, for one I give Beth Holloway credit for knowing a helluva lot more about what's going on than I do.  I have never heard or read a negative or even questionable thing she's said about him.  I posted what she had to say about him right after the recordings aired.  She respected the work he'd done before the Range Rover recordings too.  Beth upholds him...so do I.  I think she's looked corruption in the eye long enough to know it when she sees it.

Second, his reputation and 30 years of trying to help solve crimes. 

Believe what you will, I'm done.

And btw, I do think Peter DeVries is a very attractive man; and I love to hear him talk.

I feel the same way about my husband of 26 years.

My favorite thing about Peter is the way he looks at Joran and Paulus...you know he said in one interview that he has some special thoughts about Paulus...and I hope we all get to know what those are some day soon.  He's not known for giving up, so I'm waiting patiently for what comes next.

[texasmom]

Truth and Justice for Natalee!

[Bearlyhere]

STom:
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject:
<snip>
When Natalee’s incident occurred, Joran told Paulus about the “accident” and Paulus immediately thought of the island team in charge of “missing” people cases. Paulus had worked a few years back for the prosecutors office, as Antonio Carlo’s subordinate and had learned how Arubian authorities initiated these patriotic techniques, to preserve both, the island's economic sovereignty and the aspirational image of its criminals, which are portrayed as selective for going after illegal immigrants and locals only, not tourists.

Paulus was not totally frank about the incident. He just called his compadre Edwin -Papito- Commemencia and reported the case. Papito called the “missing” squad and they got rid of Natalee. They assumed this was just going to be one more case where Police authorities give the family of the victim the runaround; they give up and go home to light candles. They weren’t counting on Beth’s obsessive, unrelentless, persistent, annoying character.


I don't remember reading this quote before.   It really goes along with Wreck's theory about Dolph=Daury

Me either.

Good to see you, Magnolia, as always.