Natalee Case Discussion #825 10/12/09 - 11/07/09

[Magnolia]

Thankfully ... I am not the only Monkey on the forum who questions the dynamics behind the Range Rover confession tapes.  However ... even if I were ... so be it.

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

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blue]FEBRUARY, 2008[/color]

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
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San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355674;topicseen#msg355674

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Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
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San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691

Yes, I still believe it was staged.

San, I respect your opinion and I know that you have been right about many things that others have missed.
You have taught me a lot.

But you have never tried to compulsively pound your opinions into anyone's head and you have never
twisted words in order to get your point across.

I miss your input and wish you were here more often.  Maybe you could convince me of things that I do
not believe now.

My apologies for not being here more often Magnolia.  I often find I have nothing to contribute lately.

I have always felt that the conversation in the car was all a plan.

I would never force my opinion on anyone because that's just what it is.  It's one persons opinion.

Well, I miss you!
I haven't called anyone a POS for a long time.

Another thing that makes me believe that Beth believed Joran's Range Rover confession is that it
was included as the end of the Lifetime movie.  The movie was based on her book and she had a lot
of input into the production of the movie.  I don't believe that Joran's confession had been recorded
at the time Beth wrote the book, but the confession was included as an ending to the movie.

[Keepthefaith]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared disappearance.

self edit

Agreed TM but,by doing that and implying the Kalpoes had nothing to do with it,where does that leave the Kalpoes?Innocent?

Just Dialogue Madrina!

They were part of the plan from the beginning.  JMO

Without them, Natalee rides back to the hotel with her friends.

 

I agree TM!I appreciate nothing more from you,Magnolia,as well as other Monkey's,standing firm in your convictions.I will do the same.Do i believe that the tapes where a part of a the continued cover-up?Yes.I could obviously be wrong and hope to be wrong but,until anybody from Aruba to the Netherland get's a Sloot behind bars,i lean towards not trusting anyone from either country!

[San]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Joran had never admitted, at least not in anything that is public....that he was present when "something bad happened" to Natalee.  In the recordings he admits to being present and contributing to her being disappeared disappearance.

self edit

He also showed the world the "real" Joran Vandersloot.  How he talked about Natalee, and others including at least one Judge, how he was only concerned about himself; and how he was going to cash in on all of this!

 

We always knew he was only concerned about himself and was looking to cash in on all of this.  His book he wrote was a POS like him and his family.

I think mommy dearest contributed to that book quite a bit.  JMO

Yep.

[2NJSons_Mom]

San always did say that whatever J2K said, think/believe the opposite.  I don't believe she's waivered on that.

[Magnolia]

San always did say that whatever J2K said, think/believe the opposite.  I don't believe she's waivered on that.

San has always had insight that few of us possess.  I think it is that New York in her.

[San]

Thankfully ... I am not the only Monkey on the forum who questions the dynamics behind the Range Rover confession tapes.  However ... even if I were ... so be it.

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

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[color=

blue]FEBRUARY, 2008[/color]

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
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San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355674;topicseen#msg355674

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AUGUST, 2009

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
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San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691

Yes, I still believe it was staged.

San, I respect your opinion and I know that you have been right about many things that others have missed.
You have taught me a lot.

But you have never tried to compulsively pound your opinions into anyone's head and you have never
twisted words in order to get your point across.

I miss your input and wish you were here more often.  Maybe you could convince me of things that I do
not believe now.

My apologies for not being here more often Magnolia.  I often find I have nothing to contribute lately.

I have always felt that the conversation in the car was all a plan.

I would never force my opinion on anyone because that's just what it is.  It's one persons opinion.

Well, I miss you!
I haven't called anyone a POS for a long time.

Another thing that makes me believe that Beth believed Joran's Range Rover confession is that it
was included as the end of the Lifetime movie.  The movie was based on her book and she had a lot
of input into the production of the movie.  I don't believe that Joran's confession had been recorded
at the time Beth wrote the book, but the confession was included as an ending to the movie.

Thank you Magnolia.

Just because I think Joran knew he was being tapped doesn't mean he didn't give bits of the truth.  The part about her having a seizure does match what the police asked Beth when she first got on the island.  What caused this seizure I don't know for sure.  I have always believe Viet Vet's post about Joran hitting her with a bat.  Wouldn't that kind of trauma cause a seizure.

[Tamikosmom]

I continue to ask myself,what did those "Range Rover" tapes accomplish?

Other than a confirmation placing Joran van der Sloot in the presence of Natalee Holloway when she expired by an apparent seizure ... I contend the Range Rover recording were nothing but fabrications ... fabrications that the archives attest to.

Keepthefaith ... you ask what the Range Rover tapes accomplished.  In my opinion these tapes accomplished a lot to further the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen.  Joran's "full confession" effectively:

1.  exonerated the Kalpoes.
2.  exonerated Paulus.
3.  negated those who assisted Paulus.
4.  exonerated the sons of the elite.
5.  negated the corrupt investigation.
6.  negated the gardner's court testimony.
7.  negated the witness and suspect statements.
8.  negated the suspicions that dictated the detainment of all suspects.
9.  to pacified the family of Natalee Holloway.
10. negated the contents of the trap/cage.
11. negated Joran's wrongdoing encompassing Natalee's demise.
12. furthered the possibility of a successful outcome to the Kalpoe's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Janet

[San]

San always did say that whatever J2K said, think/believe the opposite.  I don't believe she's waivered on that.

No I haven't waivered on that. 

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

I simply don't believe Natalee was disposed of that first night. I don't care if Joran claims that is what happened or not. Like you said, Joran told different stories to even Patrick. Yes, Natalee may have indeed had "seizures" that joran witnessed -- that DOESN'T mean those seizures happened on the beach or in the circumstances he told Patrick.

BUMPED

[2NJSons_Mom]

San always did say that whatever J2K said, think/believe the opposite.  I don't believe she's waivered on that.

San has always had insight that few of us possess.  I think it is that New York in her.

Can't take the city out of that girl!!   

[San]

San always did say that whatever J2K said, think/believe the opposite.  I don't believe she's waivered on that.

San has always had insight that few of us possess.  I think it is that New York in her.

My stubbornness doesn't allow me to think a certain way.  When they say something I always think to myself and say now why would he say this.  I try and make myself think like them.  Meaning there is always evil intentions behind what they say and do.  They have never done one honest thing for Beth.  They give you the BS and say oh we spent this much money on searches blah blah blah.  They are FOS.

So yes it is the New Yorker in me 

[San]

I think I cleared the house  .

Everyone have a great afternoon.

[Tamikosmom]

I think I cleared the house  .

Everyone have a great afternoon.

 

[Keepthefaith]

I think I cleared the house  .

Everyone have a great afternoon.

 

Stay on the sidewalk Janet!Still here,just browsing other stuff..

[Tamikosmom]

I think I cleared the house  .

Everyone have a great afternoon.

 

Stay on the sidewalk Janet!Still here,just browsing other stuff..

Thanks Keepthefaith.

Transportation on the sidewalk is in my future.

I was stopped by the "powers that be" in our community yesterday for going 10 K past the speed limited on a main throughway.  My heart was pounding when red lights from the patrol car flashed in my rear view mirror.  Once I pulled over a neighbour drove past and gave me a honk.  I instantly knew I could not keep this incident a secret.

Anyways ... I smiled sweetly and apologized when informed of my infration and ... the nice police officer just gave me a warning.  However ... I think my license plate number has been entered into the "powers that be" computer under "WARNED FILE".  In other words ... Tamikosmom has a record.

 

I am off for the afternoon.

 

Janet
1:05 PM PT

[Magnolia]

Thankfully ... I am not the only Monkey on the forum who questions the dynamics behind the Range Rover confession tapes.  However ... even if I were ... so be it.

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and I were on the same page as of August of this year.

Janet

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[color=

blue]FEBRUARY, 2008[/color]

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.
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San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24 -
« Reply #318 on: February 26, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355674;topicseen#msg355674

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AUGUST, 2009

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.
________

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905691;topicseen#msg905691

Yes, I still believe it was staged.

San, I respect your opinion and I know that you have been right about many things that others have missed.
You have taught me a lot.

But you have never tried to compulsively pound your opinions into anyone's head and you have never
twisted words in order to get your point across.

I miss your input and wish you were here more often.  Maybe you could convince me of things that I do
not believe now.

My apologies for not being here more often Magnolia.  I often find I have nothing to contribute lately.

I have always felt that the conversation in the car was all a plan.

I would never force my opinion on anyone because that's just what it is.  It's one persons opinion.

Well, I miss you!
I haven't called anyone a POS for a long time.

Another thing that makes me believe that Beth believed Joran's Range Rover confession is that it
was included as the end of the Lifetime movie.  The movie was based on her book and she had a lot
of input into the production of the movie.  I don't believe that Joran's confession had been recorded
at the time Beth wrote the book, but the confession was included as an ending to the movie.

Thank you Magnolia.

Just because I think Joran knew he was being tapped doesn't mean he didn't give bits of the truth.  The part about her having a seizure does match what the police asked Beth when she first got on the island.  What caused this seizure I don't know for sure.  I have always believe Viet Vet's post about Joran hitting her with a bat.  Wouldn't that kind of trauma cause a seizure.

Yes, a head injury can cause a siezure and I have always thought about that.  I have never thought that Joran's
entire statement was the truth, but like you, I think there were significant pieces of truth included in the Range
Rover "confession".    The thing is, who knows what to pick and choose as the truth?  I have never thought they
were at the beach, so I discount that from the confession.  I have always thought that Joran gave Natalee GHB

The thing is; Joran admitted, on tape, that he was with Natalee when she had a seizure and either died or went into
a coma and then he had her body dumped at sea.  The little details be damned.  Those are things that most have
thought for a long time.  Why would he implicate himself to such an extent if he knew he was being recorded?

I think that Joran's words gave Beth a feeling of knowing basically what happened to Natalee.
They were things that Beth had suspected for a long time, just as most of us had.
I do not think Peter DeVries knowingly participated in a hoax.  If it was a hoax, it was Joran and Patrick
that cooked it up.   That is just what I believe.

[Kermit]

Beth:
"Look at what they have done,
what they've done to Natalee, what they've done to our country.
What they've done to... to..."

Peter: "To you?"

Beth: Look what they've done...
look what they've done to Natalee"

VIDEO Confession
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22936385#22936385

[Kermit]

2008
*Jan 4 - Kyle asks for posters to participate in an excercise by posting their theories/timelines on disposal at sea

Jan 11 - Joran on air with DeVries and throws wine in Peter deVries face.

**Jan 15 - Online visitor from the Netherlands typed in 'Deepak Kalpoe found hung'

*Jan 23 (Wed) - xxxxx gets email from xxxx asking to take focus off of Persistence

Jan 23 - Lazlo posts there was something found by Persistence, undergoing analysis

Jan 24 - Kyle shares concerns about a "leak"

Jan 24 - DeVreies gives Mos recorded "confession"

Jan 25 - Persistence writes about new search area based on confession

Jan 28 - Kyle NOT on the Persistence

Jan 29 - Kyle STILL not on Persistence (at least in the morning hours)

Jan 31 - Kyle hints at something found to US

Jan 31 - DeVries makes public this "confesstion"

Jan. 30  (Wed) - Beth left for Netherlands and viewed Range Rover tapes with Peter deVries.

Jan. 31  (Thurs)- oceanexploration was signed in at sm (from Atlanta Airport)


Jan. 31, 2008 - Greta "On the Record"
KELLY: It's my understanding from what I've heard that it would not be possible to recover the body at this time and the manner of disposal
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327625,00.html

Feb. 3, (Sun) Range Rover tapes aired.

[Kermit]

Kyle said: "10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes I met Mos downtown in public"
 During this time, I was eagerly waiting for results from the Jan-7th trap samples. I expected him to know something by then. When we met, he asked me how I was doing and he said that he was suprised that I was still in Aruba. After some small talk back and forth, he asked when I was leaving. I flipped the question around on him, asking, "Hans, you tell me. When am I going home?" With that, he hesitated. It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again?" He looked around for anyone watching or listening, leaned forward and said into my ear: "ten days". He then turned and walked away without saying another word.

I had no idea what 10 days meant at the time, but it meant something big was going to happen. I had assumed it related to the trap and it's contents, but couldn't prove anything. Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes. I was really confused and didn't know what to feel. I honestly was a little dissapointed that the 10 days was about the confession tapes.


* Jan 7th dive on trap/cage
* Approximately Jan 21 (Monday) - Mos tells Kyle he'll [Kyle] be leaving in 10 days.
*Jan 23 (Wed) - xxxxx gets email from xxxx asking to take focus off of Persistence
*Jan 31 - TEN DAYS LATER - Kyle is signed in at SM from Atlanta airport in U.S.

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit ... thank you!!

Janet

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THE PERSISTENCE - RANGE ROVER CONNECTION?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle said: "10 days before the announcement of the DeVries tapes I met Mos downtown in public"

During this time, I was eagerly waiting for results from the Jan-7th trap samples. I expected him to know something by then. When we met, he asked me how I was doing and he said that he was suprised that I was still in Aruba. After some small talk back and forth, he asked when I was leaving. I flipped the question around on him, asking, "Hans, you tell me. When am I going home?" With that, he hesitated. It was clear to me that he knew something big that we didn't. I picked up on this and looked right into his eyes and asked him "Hans, between you and I, when will my family see me again?" He looked around for anyone watching or listening, leaned forward and said into my ear: "ten days". He then turned and walked away without saying another word.

I had no idea what 10 days meant at the time, but it meant something big was going to happen. I had assumed it related to the trap and it's contents, but couldn't prove anything. Well, 10 days later the announcement was made about the existence of the land rover tapes. I was really confused and didn't know what to feel. I honestly was a little dissapointed that the 10 days was about the confession tapes.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net