Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 - 3/19/08

[texasmom]

http://www.vandersloot.com/vandersloothistory/english/vandersloothistory11.htm

This is most likely the same family, but it doesn't go as far as Paulass.  I am confused because I had read somewhere that the Sloots were Jewish and this clan in Boxtel isn't Jewish.  I will keep hunting.

http://www.joranconfesses.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=58

The lawyer Paul van der Sloot also known as the father of Joran van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair is also known for his 20-year fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel.

Paul van der Sloot is a member of a brass band and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place.

There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working.

Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to be build partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away.

In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway, the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people. Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway from being build on part of his land, was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply.

Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper

Thanks SS, interesting read.  Amazing that one of the widowed ancestors of PVDS gave birth to a child "Petrus" and actually threw him in a "ditch" right after he was born!  At first I thought I had read it wrong, but it was clearly stated.  He was found by a farmhand and lived!

[KarmaRoundUp]

Are these protest photos or a celebration.....?
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=304308&g2_GALLERYSID=9b1bcf335227b09533a393613e7a8701

Am I crazy or does this image look like joran with a green shirt and green hat on?
Dang,can't post it but it image #4,near the very top of the image.Also,did you notice Steve Croes DJ'ing on the Tatoo boat in the link you sent earlier?

I'm fairly certain those are pictures of the protest and I doubt Joran would be there, LOL.  In any case, this is the person you were thinking looked like him.  He does resemble Joran a bit.

LOL...that would be just like joran to try and insert himself in a protest on aruba.Scarey though how much that looks like him.Thanks for snatching it Klaas.

[Tater]

Are these protest photos or a celebration.....?
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=304308&g2_GALLERYSID=9b1bcf335227b09533a393613e7a8701

Am I crazy or does this image look like joran with a green shirt and green hat on?
Dang,can't post it but it image #4,near the very top of the image.Also,did you notice Steve Croes DJ'ing on the Tatoo boat in the link you sent earlier?

I'm fairly certain those are pictures of the protest and I doubt Joran would be there, LOL.  In any case, this is the person you were thinking looked like him.  He does resemble Joran a bit.

LOL...that would be just like joran to try and insert himself in a protest on aruba.Scarey though how much that looks like him.Thanks for snatching it Klaas.

It does look like the ogre...

[Tater]

Goodnight Monkey's...Heading out for the evening..

[Buckeye]

Posted (and I assume translated) by Flip at RU.  No link.


I am the mother that nobody wants to be.
Prive

March 19, 2008, by Josephine Majoor and Patricia Wesseling.

'I am the mother that nobody wants to be.'

Excerpt of most relevant parts of the interview.

For Beth Holloway, the secretly taped confessions by the 20 year old Joran vdS are irrefutable evidence that her daughter died in the company of and by Jorans doings.
No doubt at all? Beths decisive answer is NO, maybe not all the details are correct, but Joran is responsible for her fate, Natalee died by his doings. In the beginning I had my doubts and I thought: 'Am I just an stupid (idiotic) mother ? Can this boy have really done it ? Do I suffer from tunnelvision ? Also because his mother emphasized what a good boy Joran is. My conviction that he did it, won out, and his conversations with Patrick proof it was a just cause I fought for.'
Beth thinks that the actions by Peter de Vries and Patrick were courageous and she just doesn't care for the bickering about Patrick's past. 'Everyone makes mistakes, everyone regrets something he did or didn't do. But Patrick is a good man and a good father, and I'm grateful forever.
Beth doesn't think that Patrick writing a book, and so making money out of 'the Holoway case' is a problem at all. There's just one that I won't allow. 'Joran may not make a cent out of Natalee's death', says Beth.
Í know he published a book and that is one of the reasons why I have asked a Dutch attorney (Mr. Bram Moskowicz,red) to file a claim for me. Another reason is that it makes me sick that there won't be legal consequences for him. But whether he is behind bars or not, his life has become hell anyway. The most important is for me to know what happened to my daughter, that after 2½ years I've found peace and that is more than I had dared hope for till now.'

Pathetic.

In her search for Natalee, Beth visited Jorans parents Paul and Anita van der Sloot. And just like in the Pauw and Witteman show, Anita was a fierce defender of her son. Beth: 'Joran's mother actually has no idea who he really is. I'd say she is pathetically naive. But the father..... He knows exactly what his son has done.'
Beth met Paul van der Sloot eye to eye when she was on her way to put a prayer card in their mailbox. She saw him hide in the bushes and called for him. When he came out of hiding, he told the cameraman who was with her: 'Please come in, But switch off the cameras, okay? Switch of the cameras.'
Beth describes in her book what happens when they are sitting around the table: 'Anita's telling what agood boy he is. He's so intelligent. I let her go, because it gives me time to listen, to watch and to judge. Then she tells of the hard times they have with him recently, he is rebellious, doesn't show respect for his mother, sneaks out of the house at night. Finally Anita announces that Joran is seeing a psychologist. Then it is my turn. I come to the point immediately. I litterally repeat the statements, the disgusting descriptions that were read to me in the Procureur-Generaal's office.The sexually explicit words that Joran used for what he did to Natalee. Calmer than ever before and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he stated he used. Where he put them. How their son described the pubic area of my daughter, her panties. (....) Small drops of sweat are forming on Paul's forehead and brow. My arms are on the journal, that I carry everywhere with me. Natalee's reward poster with her picture is in the book, in full sight. Paul's arms are on the table. Our knuckles are only centimeters apart. His arms shiver, his hands are mad into fists.(...) Anita is quiet. The wind in the room is even cooler now, but the sweat on Pauls face increases. 'How did Joran get home that night, Paul?' He says he doesn't know. 'Did he go to school the next day?' Again he says he doesn't know. 'Do you mean that in the most critical period in your sons life - he is in custody on suspicion of kidnapping and murder - you don't know how he got home or if he went to school ?' Paul is stuutering when he answers. He fidgets. Sounds unnatural and blinks heavily.His head hangs down. The beads of sweat become drops, that flow together down to his chin and then drop down on the table.' Before she leaves, Beth notices Anita drying off Pauls face with a kitchen towel, to then put the towel on the puddles of sweat on the table.

Mistake

During Beths stay on Aruba, the local population is very sympathetic to her. But then the brothers Kalpoe are being released and she makes a mistake. She holds a press conference and makes an emotional appeal to 'not have those two criminals walking between the rest of the population.' Many Arubans take offense at the word 'criminals'. Unintended she crossed a line. Some of them stopped holding wakes for Natalee. Beth and her company are no longer welcome in the HI Hotel and there is a barrage of negative publicity. Both Aruban and American tv, newspapers and internet feature people with the most horrible information about Beth, her husband Jug Twitty and Natalee. Allegedly she was pregnant by her step-daddy Jug, supposedly she had been in different rehab clinics. The relation between Beth and Natalee was so bad, that Nat didn't want to return to the US. And then there is the story about the medjet. For some days a medjet was parked on the Aruban airport to offer medical help to Natalee and to fly her back to the US. 'A police-functionary and Joran vdS had told us Natalee was fully pumped up with crack. Some junkies had taken ahold of her, kept her in a crackhouse and exploited her for money. But they were finished with her and about to turn her out in the streets. We didn't really believe that, but because they said it time and again, we engaged the medjet and kept her on standby for 48 hrs. In the end we got a bill for 27.00 dollars for another of Jorans lies. Peter and Patrick have silenced everyone. All the gossip and even the inuendo that we knew more about it, were overturned by the recordings of Patrick and Joran.'
Still there were voices heard saying Beth was used by the crime-reporter, by confronting her, with the camera in her face, with Joran's story about Natalee, it must have been horrible for any mother. Beth:'Peter has done fantastic. Before I arrived, he called me througout the week and after I arrived in the Netherlands, he spoke with me for a long time before the broadcast, so I was very well prepared and knew more or less what was coming.'

Lectures

Beth is lecturing throughout the US to various groups. Her message is the same: 'As a young adult travel well prepared. My daughter and I were naive, when traveling abroad, your rights stay behind in your homecountry. Investigate beforehand, so you know customs, make sur you have all important phone numbers, like embassys and emergency numbers in case of a crisis. The most important is preventing one. When children leave their homes and go into the wide world, they have to do it themselves. This goes for Natalee as well, she is responsible for the situation she got into in Aruba. She was 18, old enough to drink, she had every right to be there (establisment where she met Joran). Joran didn't, but had a VIPcard to Carlos +Charlie's from when he was 16. He was an intruder who wanted to get his way. Then again, everyday the most horrible things happen that we can't do very much against. I try to contribute my little part by my lectures, it has become a job.'
Beth visited more than 20 US states, but she goes for all 50. Because of her travelling, she and her husband Jug estrange, and now she lives in Brookmountain with Carl, Natalees dog and Macy, Matts (who's at college now) cat.
When asked if she has a problem being alone, she denies: 'I'm a big girl. I don't need anybody to hold my hand. All things considered I'm fine. And happiness..? You can't find happiness, it's a fleeting thing. I'm not looking for it. Just peace. And that's what Peter de Vries has given me. After the disappearance of my daughter, I found a notebook in her room, with various poems and stories. One of them contained this: A hero is someone who places other people in the number one place.

[texasmom]

Thanks for bringing that over, Buckeye! 

[SS]

This is great and you just can't make this up.  It's genetic!!!

Petrus van der Sloot is the patriarch of the Sloots.  He was born in Boxtel in 1808.  It just doesn't get much better than this.  He was born on the floor and thrown in a ditch. 

From this statement, it appears that she knew Theodora van den Broek well and that Theodora was the widow of Mattijs Koppens. She also declared that the floor of her house in the spot where Theodora van den Broek had been sitting showed signs of childbirth. From these lines I concluded that Petrus had been born in the immediate proximity of the home of Catharina van den Heuvel and her husband Johannes de Weert sometime between eleven in the morning and two in the afternoon.

Next Theodora van den Broek said to Catharina van den Heuvel that she was going to Jenneke Vogels’ house where she did not arrive until five o’clock, according to the latter. Between the hours of two and three o’clock this mother must have been busy with the preparations of disposing of our patriarch Petrus, because, according to the statement of Arnoldus Merks, he found him that same day between three and four o’clock. Another argument could be that Petrus from two until three or four o’clock had been lying in the ditch.

Arnoldus Merks makes his discovery after following baby sounds coming from a ditch near the homes of Johannes de Weert and Martinus Leppers. When he got closer, he first discovered a little foot then the child, which was naked and covered with dirt, sand, and foliage.

http://www.vandersloot.com/vandersloothistory/english/default.htm

[MumInOhio]

I was just sent this via email.  A post by Medleyrelay at the BNH website.  Medley recently got back from a trip to Aruba.  Must have spent too much time in the sun drinking margaritas.  This comment begs the question HUH? 

Just checking the facts....Greta's site said AHATA...Rob Smith, Rick Zeolla etc and Medley said ATA...Aruban Tourism Authority=Government

http://www.aruba.com/about/aboutus.php

So just who is wanting to sue Greta? The Aruban Government or AHATA? TIA

[Buckeye]

I was just sent this via email.  A post by Medleyrelay at the BNH website.  Medley recently got back from a trip to Aruba.  Must have spent too much time in the sun drinking margaritas.  This comment begs the question HUH? 

Just checking the facts....Greta's site said AHATA...Rob Smith, Rick Zeolla etc and Medley said ATA...Aruban Tourism Authority=Government

http://www.aruba.com/about/aboutus.php

So just who is wanting to sue Greta? The Aruban Government or AHATA? TIA

Don't know, but I believe AHATA has ATA members also.  Either way, the government is part of it.

[MumInOhio]

I was just sent this via email.  A post by Medleyrelay at the BNH website.  Medley recently got back from a trip to Aruba.  Must have spent too much time in the sun drinking margaritas.  This comment begs the question HUH? 

Just checking the facts....Greta's site said AHATA...Rob Smith, Rick Zeolla etc and Medley said ATA...Aruban Tourism Authority=Government

http://www.aruba.com/about/aboutus.php

So just who is wanting to sue Greta? The Aruban Government or AHATA? TIA

Don't know, but I believe AHATA has ATA members also.  Either way, the government is part of it.

Hi Buckeye...Here's the new AHATA Board...

AHATA Elects A New Board Business      December 13th, 2007

Palm Beach – A new Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association board was elected during the recent AHATA General Assembly, held at the Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino.
The new officers of the board were elected from a slate of candidates presented by a nominating committee headed by General Manager Paul Gielen, Renaissance Aruba Resort, and independent consultant Jaap Beaujon.
The election process was overseen by Dr. Ryan Peterson of the Universidad di Aruba.
The new board of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association consists of the following eight members: Rick Zeolla, General Manager, Marriott Aruba Resort; Eduardo De Veer, Developer, Meta Corp; Scott Allen, General Manager, Hyatt Regency; Guillermo Valencia, General Manager Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort; Gary Jutz, General Manager, Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino; Matt Balcik, General Manager, Westin Aruba Resort; Peter Steinmetz, Director, Aruba Airport Authority; David Smith, VP Public Relations, Valero Aruba Refinery.
Two board candidates, Joe Najjar, General Manager, La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club and Andres Pichardo, Senior VP Sales and Marketing, Occidental Grand Aruba, remained available in case of seat vacancy on the board and were invited to attend all meetings effective immediately.
Rob Smith, President and CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association reports the new board will conduct its first meeting this week, with hotelier Ewald Biemans, Bucuti Beach Resort & Tara Suites, as Chairman of the Board.

[Lala'sMom]

I was just sent this via email.  A post by Medleyrelay at the BNH website.  Medley recently got back from a trip to Aruba.  Must have spent too much time in the sun drinking margaritas.  This comment begs the question HUH? 

Just checking the facts....Greta's site said AHATA...Rob Smith, Rick Zeolla etc and Medley said ATA...Aruban Tourism Authority=Government

http://www.aruba.com/about/aboutus.php

So just who is wanting to sue Greta? The Aruban Government or AHATA? TIA

Don't know, but I believe AHATA has ATA members also.  Either way, the government is part of it.

Hi Buckeye...Here's the new AHATA Board...

AHATA Elects A New Board Business      December 13th, 2007

Palm Beach – A new Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association board was elected during the recent AHATA General Assembly, held at the Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino.
The new officers of the board were elected from a slate of candidates presented by a nominating committee headed by General Manager Paul Gielen, Renaissance Aruba Resort, and independent consultant Jaap Beaujon.
The election process was overseen by Dr. Ryan Peterson of the Universidad di Aruba.
The new board of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association consists of the following eight members: Rick Zeolla, General Manager, Marriott Aruba Resort; Eduardo De Veer, Developer, Meta Corp; Scott Allen, General Manager, Hyatt Regency; Guillermo Valencia, General Manager Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort; Gary Jutz, General Manager, Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino; Matt Balcik, General Manager, Westin Aruba Resort; Peter Steinmetz, Director, Aruba Airport Authority; David Smith, VP Public Relations, Valero Aruba Refinery.
Two board candidates, Joe Najjar, General Manager, La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club and Andres Pichardo, Senior VP Sales and Marketing, Occidental Grand Aruba, remained available in case of seat vacancy on the board and were invited to attend all meetings effective immediately.
Rob Smith, President and CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association reports the new board will conduct its first meeting this week, with hotelier Ewald Biemans, Bucuti Beach Resort & Tara Suites, as Chairman of the Board.

I have a few questions if anyone feels the need to answer them... First, is Paul Gielen any relation to that Rene person writing a book or something? Next, I wonder if Sebastian still pals around with Zeolla's kid? Last, I suppose we should be watching for a group of men standing by the beach cam waving and posing as tourists now. 

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...horrible visions of middle-aged men in Speedos waving and posing as tourists...  ::MonkeyNoNo::now I'll never sleep and it's time to hit the sack!!!

Goodnight all!

[SS]

Here's another piece of information from the early van der Sloot family that gave me chills.  This was the fate of Petrus van der Sloot's brother a few months before Petrus was born.

When Lourens Johannes van den Heuvel on July 15, 1808, around two o’clock in the afternoon learned that a child had drowned in the stream, he walked over there and retrieved the naked boy of about twelve years old from the water. He also learned that the boy was the son of Theodora van den Broek. Next, the neighbors took the boy to his home by wagon. Doctor A. De Roy, by request of the City Officials, made his way to the house of Theodora van den Broek and established that the boy had drowned in the water. The City Officials A. Lemmens, H. van der Sande, and H. van den Bosch also appeared at the house of Theodora van den Broek in Spoordonk, where they also declared that the child had suffocated or drowned. Theodora further explained that the boy's name was Antonius.

http://www.vandersloot.com/vandersloothistory/english/default.htm

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's...horrible visions of middle-aged men in Speedos waving and posing as tourists...  ::MonkeyNoNo::now I'll never sleep and it's time to hit the sack!!!

Goodnight all!

LMAO  Night Mum...sweet dreams, I think?

[Lala'sMom]

Here's another piece of information from the early van der Sloot family that gave me chills.  This was the fate of Petrus van der Sloot's brother a few months before Petrus was born.

When Lourens Johannes van den Heuvel on July 15, 1808, around two o’clock in the afternoon learned that a child had drowned in the stream, he walked over there and retrieved the naked boy of about twelve years old from the water. He also learned that the boy was the son of Theodora van den Broek. Next, the neighbors took the boy to his home by wagon. Doctor A. De Roy, by request of the City Officials, made his way to the house of Theodora van den Broek and established that the boy had drowned in the water. The City Officials A. Lemmens, H. van der Sande, and H. van den Bosch also appeared at the house of Theodora van den Broek in Spoordonk, where they also declared that the child had suffocated or drowned. Theodora further explained that the boy's name was Antonius.

http://www.vandersloot.com/vandersloothistory/english/default.htm

So now..."of the ditch" makes sense.  Wow! Thanks for the info...interesting reading.

[kpg]

The girl is  a negative term aruba has  attached to Natalee Holloway.

[IBE]

Ahhh very interesting! Rik Smid is a expert on Money Laundering in Casino's!

Snip 
Caribbean Financial Action Task Force

Caribbean Financial Action Task Force CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference Aruba - July 16-17, 1997

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands

Mr. Smid noted that Casinos are attractive to money launderers for a variety of reasons. One reason that Casinos are attractive to money launderers is because they offer a broad range of financial services including the issuing of credit, transfers of money into and out of bank accounts, currency exchanges services, issuance of checks and the acceptance of deposits.

As Gomer Pyle would say; "well surprise, surprise!"   

Well Golleeee TM  What was Mr Van Der Sloot doing in 1997 and 1998  About that time he was setting up contracts for the Govt and was the cabinets leader for the public ministry. Right after this Rick Smid gave this report on Money Laundering in Casinos. One Mob group left the Holiday Inn/Excelsior and then another took there place in 1997/1998,strange is it not?  8 and 10 years later this same Rick Smid became a Judge in the Antilles and played a vital role in sabataging Natalee's justice.

Appears Mr. Van Der Sloot was just about everywhere in that Aruban Govt. Worked 5 years as a lawyer for the Aruban Govt and was there legal advisor,set up contracts for the Govt,was a the cabinet leader in the Public Ministry,worked for the Attorney General and taught Administrative Law,then became a substitute Judge. After he failed as a Judge he then asked to work for Rudy Croes in the Dept of Justice. We know he then was released as a suspect in Natalee's dissapearance and was allowed to be a partner in a law firm and serve on several Govt Committees. Even though the Supreme Court has wire taps,witnesses and from his own mouth that he had two contacts with Natalee Holloway and picked her up at 4AM. He is still the last known person to see Natalee besides his son.

Well, then he knew his way throught the MAZE of government in Aruba and Holland. Seems he had his hands in everything.

Must go to Shango again... and dance with LaLasmom

Wish the DutchLady would give her thoughts her on the tapes made of Joran.

Keep up the Good Works Good Monkeys

[IBE]

Just reread the quote. I thought it was about Paulus. Sorry... My comment was meant to be for Paulus's history in the govt. in Aruba and Holland.

[Tamikosmom]

Just some catching up after a few days away.  I am wiped ... will finish reading tomorrow.

cbb ... Ducky and I thank you for our Easter Lily ... it is just perfect.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
8:30 PM

[Altruist]

Here's another piece of information from the early van der Sloot family that gave me chills.  This was the fate of Petrus van der Sloot's brother a few months before Petrus was born.

When Lourens Johannes van den Heuvel on July 15, 1808, around two o’clock in the afternoon learned that a child had drowned in the stream, he walked over there and retrieved the naked boy of about twelve years old from the water. He also learned that the boy was the son of Theodora van den Broek. Next, the neighbors took the boy to his home by wagon. Doctor A. De Roy, by request of the City Officials, made his way to the house of Theodora van den Broek and established that the boy had drowned in the water. The City Officials A. Lemmens, H. van der Sande, and H. van den Bosch also appeared at the house of Theodora van den Broek in Spoordonk, where they also declared that the child had suffocated or drowned. Theodora further explained that the boy's name was Antonius.

http://www.vandersloot.com/vandersloothistory/english/default.htm

Mental illness is no stranger to that lineage.  Would appear from the history that psychosis from either scitzophrenia or sociopathy is firmly held in the genetics that are being passed on to this day.  Mental illness passes to both sexes, although am sure it's all blamed on the female gender.  Bunch of sicko's without the intelligence to recognize it & stop breeding.