Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #4 7/8/10 - 7/11/10

[Patricia Mocha Latte]

"thought processes" not though.

[Deenie]

Asking about the Bus --- again. Why Kyron did not take the bus?
That Terri drove him in to school. If she was " staying" at the school for the fair to view the exhibits that would be one thing... but she did not stay. She dropped him off.
The photo is to be taken the morning of the fair by Terri. Still does not compute in my head of why Terri drove him in. (( Unless he Missed the Bus))
He could have taken the bus easily. Terri would have been able to go up to the school within her leisure .. with Kitty * during the exhibition. Go in snap a photo with Kyron ..look around ..Say Hi to all and I love You to Kyron/See you later on ..then leave and go on with her day..until Kyron was let out at 3:15.

What was the disruption during the am - that caused Kyron to miss the bus. And or for Terri to choose to drive Kyron into school ..just to drop him off. 
(( GAH)).

I don't know the answer, but my kids took the bus when they were little, and sometimes my mom or husband would take them, that was a big deal for them, and they were happy not to take the bus for that day.  Also I'm confused with whether or not the baby was along. During that interview it was said she was, but nobody commented on it from the school, and if the baby was along, I would sure think Terri would have taken a pic of the both of them. So, where was she? There wasn't any time was there to drop her off anywhere, unless whoever watched her was on the way to the school.

I have the impression that when Kaine left the morning of June 4th, he speculates it was a normal morning. That Kyron was outside, feeding the cat, and he and Kyron had a discussion about his project and possibly ice cream/Wii as a reward later in the day. Was said by Kaine that was the last time he saw Kyron around 7:45 am.
He though has been quoted saying it was He that walked Kyron to the Bus every morning. What was different the morning of the 4th?
Why did he not wait around and take Kyron to the bus stop that morning? Was it planned that Terri was to drive him in? He has been quoted that HE would walk Kyron to the bus stop in the am. Why then that morning did he leave for work, and leave Kyron at home, not walk him to the bus stop?
The Morning of June 4th - and weeks proceeding.
Was Terri up and around at that time 7:45 ? Was Kitty awake? Did Dad wake up Kyron each morning to get him off to school? That Kaine has said it was Him and Kyron walking to the Bus stop each morning. Terri said in her Facebook that Kiara/Kitty was Teething. She made remarks of sleepless nights ..so Was that of Kaine's responsibility to wake up Kyron and get him off to the bus stop? for the last few months? ( So in Kaine's Mind he is stating He was the one that walked Kyron to the bus stop) Let Terri and Kiara sleep in. He took over the am routine of Kyron getting up and off to school? So when Kaine left, did Terri know ?? that Kyron was left behind and not taken to the bus stop? Did she wake up in a fury and find herself stressed out ..left with the responsibility to get Kyron to school ..on such a big day. That Kyron was upset and pushing her buttons. That something snapped that morning within Terri? And it all stemmed from Kaine not respecting her (*in her mind) or she felt it was a dig from Kaine to leave and not tell her? Because it seems to me that Terri was left out of the description of that morning by Kaine. He does not say " Terri and I were up and Kyron was outside feeding Boots. He makes no remarks of Terri within his account of that morning. (( Something happened that Morning and it is unknown)) But it was enough to push Terri over ..and for her to Do?? For her to react?? For her ???

[klaasend]

Deenie - I'm not sure but because of the science fair they may have had to get to the school at a different time.  Also, did Kyron have to bring his display to the school for the fair?  If he did then he certainly wouldn't be able to carry it by himself let alone on the bus. 

[Tracygirl]

Personally I think Kaine and Desiree need to stop speaking to the press. 

I am just curious but, Why?

Because some of this stuff I don't think needs to be said by them. I think they need to appeal to Terri in a different way. It may appear they are bullying her. You know the whole PDD thing is going to shift the opinions towards Terri because how many woman have had this happen and how many woman have husbands that lose patients with it or don't understand. I just think it is something we need to know. Save this stuff for trial if it ends up there.

[Patricia Mocha Latte]

It seems obvious to me that Kyron's science project meant a great deal to him. Why didn't the family members attend this science fair?
Just thinking about it makes me sad for him that he would be attending this science fair all by himself while other Children's family members would be there supportive of his friends and classmates yet no one was there for him.

[no rose colored glasses]

Personally I think Kaine and Desiree need to stop speaking to the press. 

So do I.

[Patricia Mocha Latte]

Personally I think Kaine and Desiree need to stop speaking to the press. 

I am just curious but, Why?

Because some of this stuff I don't think needs to be said by them. I think they need to appeal to Terri in a different way. It may appear they are bullying her. You know the whole PDD thing is going to shift the opinions towards Terri because how many woman have had this happen and how many woman have husbands that lose patients with it or don't understand. I just think it is something we need to know. Save this stuff for trial if it ends up there.

I see. Maybe you are right? Who am I to say either way. I could care less which way opinion is swayed. I care only about little Kyron being found.
You know that ol' saying, "Opinions are like" well you get my point lol!
Thank you for your response.

[Brandi]

Deenie - I'm not sure but because of the science fair they may have had to get to the school at a different time.  Also, did Kyron have to bring his display to the school for the fair?  If he did then he certainly wouldn't be able to carry it by himself let alone on the bus. 

That was my thought. Getting the display to school unharmed. I often drove my son to school when he had things he was taking that would be difficult to navigate on a school bus.

[no rose colored glasses]

Personally I think Kaine and Desiree need to stop speaking to the press. 

I am just curious but, Why?

Because some of this stuff I don't think needs to be said by them. I think they need to appeal to Terri in a different way. It may appear they are bullying her. You know the whole PDD thing is going to shift the opinions towards Terri because how many woman have had this happen and how many woman have husbands that lose patients with it or don't understand. I just think it is something we need to know. Save this stuff for trial if it ends up there.

And it isn't going to do any good, imo. Terri's lawyer is calling the shots behind the scenes, and he will be the one to make a statement or not, I'm sure he would not approve of Terri doing that, and it also appears Terri must be listening to him.

[klaasend]

I don't care if it's Kaine, Terri, Desiree or Tony but SOMEONE needs to put their face in front of the media to keep Kyron's story alive.  If they don't, Kyon's name will fade from the headlines and people will move on.  

So I disagree, I don't want them to stop giving interviews.  As a matter of fact, in the very beginning everyone was wondering why they weren't talking.  My bet is they were hoping Terri would come clean.  When it became clear Terri wasn't telling the truth and likely wouldn't, they started holding press conferences.  I'm glad they are.

[no rose colored glasses]

Weren't the projects set up the day before? I thought I read that here somewhere, but don't recall where, maybe someone else remembers that.

[Tamikosmom]

MAD ICON!!!

Desiree Young: "I had feelings about this (Terri) when I got the (first) phone call"

Last Update: 8:33 am  

Terri may talk to the media

PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.

A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman.

“Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said.

The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story.

“She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.”

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-called-911-during-police-sting/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx?p=5

I am anxious to hear what she has to say and possibly add to this case that will possibly help in bringing Kyron home.

(I believe that Kyron is alive.)

Patricia

I don't believe that anything that Terri has to say will reveal the truth ... the truth she attempted to cover up from the getgo with her lies ... lies discovered by authorities through cell phone records and ... her lies revealed through two failed polygraphs.

My point?  Kaine attempts to control what ANYBODY says to the media regarding all aspects of the case.

Could it be that his motive is to assure that no negative attention is directed on him?

Could it be that that explosed skeletons in his life may reveal that he may indirectly to take responsibility for the disappearance of his son?

Janet

[Patricia Mocha Latte]

MAD ICON!!!

Desiree Young: "I had feelings about this (Terri) when I got the (first) phone call"

Last Update: 8:33 am  

Terri may talk to the media

PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.

A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman.

“Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said.

The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story.

“She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.”

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-called-911-during-police-sting/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx?p=5

I am anxious to hear what she has to say and possibly add to this case that will possibly help in bringing Kyron home.

(I believe that Kyron is alive.)

Patricia

I don't believe that anything that Terri has to say will reveal the truth ... the truth she attempted to cover up from the getgo with her lies ... lies discovered by authorities through cell phone records and ... her lies revealed through two failed polygraphs.

My point?  Kaine attempts to control what ANYBODY says to the media regarding all aspects of the case.

Could it be that his motive is to assure that no negative attention is directed on him?

Could it be that that explosed skeletons in his life may reveal that he may indirectly to take responsibility for the disappearance of his son?

Janet

That's possible too Janet.

[Rob]

Mister Kaine may not be the analytical thinker that some have suggested if he has not taken into consideration what can happen with a mentally ill woman under a cloud of suspicion and pressure. Especially since Terri knows what happened to Kyron according to Kaine and Desiree. She could take a load of pills and go to sleep. And there goes any chance for any info from her. Guess he didn't think that far ahead.

Personally, I think it's all a load of BS from Mister Kaine just for pressure and public embarrassment. But that's how he rolls in my opinion.

I loved how he thought the world of Intel was coming to abrupt halt because of his directive. Lmao! That directive was - if anyone knows my business and has heard any water cooler talk - just know I'm talking to the legal department. I think he's rather shallow. Intel has nothing to do with this case except he works there.

The Situation? What the heck lol. It's not a situation. It's a missing child. YOUR child Mister Kaine.

[Wyks]

<snipped from post upthread>

NL: so you went to the bus stop (KH shaking head yes), you were waiting child after child I assume getting off the bus

KH: No there is only one child that gets off at our stop and that's Kyron.

NL: And what did you think?

KH: she just, the bus driver looked at us and told us that he wasn't on the bus today, so we figured well he must still be waiting for us at school. We had talked about maybe a special treat afterward, for the science fair project and everything else, so we just thought maybe he is just waiting for us at the school. So she called the school on her cell phone and that's when we found out he hadn't been there all day.

So... no other children besides Kyron gets off at their bus stop. 

On that day we have Kaine, Terri and the baby standing at/near the bus stop at the end of their driveway.

The bus driver, not seeing Kyron on the bus that afternoon, likely would not have intended to stop at that particular bus stop.  She likely was heading on down the street either toward or away from the other bus stop on their street. 

Just curious what happened with the bus driver. 

First of all... in a generic, typical sense...
What degree of responsibility does a bus driver have for those who ride their bus on a regular basis?  Does school staff escort the younger grades from/to the bus before/after school?  Do bus drivers do a head count for their regular riders?  Do they check with school staff if they come up one rider short or extra?  Or, do students taking the bus home just hop aboard and the driver leaves at a certain time, dropping off whichever of their regular riders gets on the bus that day? 

From what Kaine says, it seems to me that the only thing the bus driver knew was that Kyron wasn't on the bus that day.  Which means, evidently the driver didn't question school staff as to his whereabouts, and didn't wait to see if he was (groan.. just in the bathroom or getting a drink of water.. to cause him to be late getting to the bus).  In other words, the driver seems to have left the school without checking on the whereabouts of one of her regular riders.  If she had, she would have known that Kyron had been marked absent that day.

IMO <--- that's at least one more strike against the school, for what seems to be a lax policy with students taking a bus home.   

Ok, back to the bus stop at the end of their driveway.  Kaine/Terri and baby were waiting.... Did the bus driver, knowing Kyron was not on the bus, just pass them by?  When/if the bus didn't stop, did Kaine/Terri have to yell out or chase the bus down (on foot) to get the bus drivers attention?  Or, did the bus driver notice them standing there, and even tho she didn't have Kyron, stopped anyway?  How did it come to be that the driver stopped? 

Still interesting to me, what the early media reports were about this.  The following are earliest news reports, before any updating.

June 6th
Kyron was supposed to take the bus home Friday, so Terri went to the bus stop at 3:30 p.m. to pick him up.  But the bus driver told her he wasn't there.  Panicked, she ran home and called the school to discover that he had been marked absent for the day.  She called 9-1-1.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

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June 10th
3:30 p.m. Terri Horman goes to meet the school bus and discovers that Kyron has been absent all day. She calls 9-1-1.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

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June 11th
Kyron's step-mother notified school authorities of her son's not being on the bus at around 3:45pm Friday afternoon.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx

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June 13th
Kyron's stepmother met the school bus about 3:30 p.m., but the bespectacled 7-year-old wasn't aboard. She called Skyline, and the school secretary called 9-1-1.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html#modg_smoref_face

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June 25
A new fact emerged that Kaine was with Terri when she went to pick Kyron up at the bus stop on June 4.

source: television interview

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Why did it take 21 days for Kaine to mention that he went to the bus stop with Terri?  Why was he silent on that for so long?  And then full of details galore, to the point of nearly TMI?  He put Kiara's shoes on her... They walked ahead of Terri to the bus stop... They were going to give Kyron a special treat of stopping for ice cream.  and etc.   

Why haven't we heard anything from the bus driver about that day?  Kyron's teacher?  Neither are talking, nor are any of the other school staff, parents, students, the majority of their family, the majority of their friends.  None (except for one student against the advise of LE) are answering even the simplest of questions.  Does this silence point to the guilt/responsibility of any?  Are any simply scared silent, for now?  Does their silence reflect a lack of answers to the questions, or a need to protect themselves?  Have they been advised to remain silent by anyone?   

Terri isn't talking either.  Does this silence point to her guilt/responsibility?  Is she simply scared silent, for now?  Does her silence reflect a lack of answers to the questions, or a need to protect herself?  Has she been advised to remain silent by anyone?   

Just some food for thought.  Trying to clear my head. 

[4getUnot]

Does anyone who saw Terri's FB know if she mentioned the loss of a pet and if so was it the cat?

TIA

[Deenie]

Deenie - I'm not sure but because of the science fair they may have had to get to the school at a different time.  Also, did Kyron have to bring his display to the school for the fair?  If he did then he certainly wouldn't be able to carry it by himself let alone on the bus. 

Klaas, I swear it was said that the exhibits were taken in the day before. Maybe I am wrong. Just thinking of all the kids dragging in their exhibits the day of ..would be such a chaos no one would know what was up or down?  And it too would have been mentioned " the chaos" that No one really saw Kyron because everyone was busy setting up their exhibits ..or the opposite they would recall " Terri" carrying in the exhibit herself ..with Kyron at her side??? 
I don't know Klaas, just seems so strange that no one has come forward with a clear memory of that morning inside the school. Tanner's recall has been made speculation and not proven. ( I will keep looking for what I thought I read at one time, that the exhibits were brought into school prior to the morning of) If anyone has anything - please post it. 

[Rob]

Wyks said;

IMO <--- that's at least one more strike against the school, for what seems to be a lax policy with students taking a bus home.

On page one of thread one - there is an article that said the Portland Public School system had a automated dialer that was used for alerting the parents that Kyron was missing. So, they did have some sort of system and recognized it's value. But there was no system in place at Skyline, and get this - we don't have a problem with absenteeism. 

More likely they have a problem with accountability.

[klaasend]

Deenie - I'm not sure but because of the science fair they may have had to get to the school at a different time.  Also, did Kyron have to bring his display to the school for the fair?  If he did then he certainly wouldn't be able to carry it by himself let alone on the bus. 

Klaas, I swear it was said that the exhibits were taken in the day before. Maybe I am wrong. Just thinking of all the kids dragging in their exhibits the day of ..would be such a chaos no one would know what was up or down?  And it too would have been mentioned " the chaos" that No one really saw Kyron because everyone was busy setting up their exhibits ..or the opposite they would recall " Terri" carrying in the exhibit herself ..with Kyron at her side??? 
I don't know Klaas, just seems so strange that no one has come forward with a clear memory of that morning inside the school. Tanner's recall has been made speculation and not proven. ( I will keep looking for what I thought I read at one time, that the exhibits were brought into school prior to the morning of) If anyone has anything - please post it. 

They may have taken the day before, I'm not sure and I don't remember reading it but entirely possible.  Not sure what difference it would make confusion wise one day or the other.

[Tamikosmom]

THE MORNING OF JUNE 4, 2010

1.  Was Kiara at the school with Kyron and Terri.

2.  Was Tanner's stepmother caring for Kiara?

3.  Was Tanner's stepmother who lived on Sauvie Island questioned prior to leaving the area following Kyron's disappearance.

My sincere prayer has been that Terri did not harm her stepson but ... as time goes on ... it does not look good.

Janet