Natalee Case Discussion #698 11/30/2007

[Observer]

Posner vanishing (and turning up in Detroit running a pet photo mobile)

ebb

Hi EBB..That isn't Posner running a mobile Pet Photo business it is Mr.Pink.

[JusticeforNatalee]

Paulus can be charged with illegally disposing of a corpse, regardless of who caused Natalee to become a corpse. He cannot be charged with advising his son or forced to testifying against his son, unless he used his official position to advise his son.

He already waived his right not to testify vs his Son. I'M not sure what that all means but he should have given up the "Family Privlage" BS where he can lie and obstruct the Investigation as well. I am very happy Mos has mentioned PVDS as being involved but I can't be confident there will be justice until I see PVDS in cuffs again.

Thanks for reminding us, *******, that Paulus had waived that right.
It is so hard to tell what is actually Dutch law and what is misuse of Dutch law--because we have been fed so many lines by Schippers, etc.

[wizard]

IMO of course.

Mos is just the latest in a long line of pied pipers that has lead the well intentionned posters on this board right into the sea.

I stopped believeing early on mainly because I'm so cynical. Talk is so cheap.

I've watched you get your hopes dashed time and time again by these charlatains.

If they had any semblance of a case they would be filing charges. It's not rocket science.

Referring to TV, my parents used to preach "Don't believe anything you hear and half of what you see."

A boat looking for a 2 1/2 year old body in the ocean? Please...........

[KarmaRoundUp]

For some reason I am actually encouraged by where we are right now.

Already it has gotten out through the investigation that the Kalpoes went home and that Deepak came back at approx. 3 AM, but Satish didn't. This is in itself an indication that:

1. The crime cannot be pinned on the K2 (to deflect from Joran)
2. Their involvement MAY... MAY... have been less in the actual crime where Natalee died.
3. Just the fact that we have a little bit of "timeline" in focus now after so long wondering When, Where, Yada, Yada is a positive. It shows that the investigation is turning up SOMETHING.

IMO this development today puts Joran MORE on the hotseat. The Judge has declared that a manslaughter-murder has taken place and that K2 likely didn't actually do it themselves. So much for taco-boy's whitewash attempts. By process of elimination, there's only one other person who was with Natalee and he's got some 'splainin' to do.

It would be interesting to know if BAIL would be allowed in the US for the "lesser" charges which the judge clearly believes the K2 are going to be up for. Ain't no one skated today. I am not sure if they would have been kept in custody here in this country for whatever it was they did in rendering help. 

I am thinking that Satish may be looking a little better now.

It is obvious now that Joran's crimes will need to be proven now FIRST, and then the K2's activities will be better understood. The Judge is basing their amount of guilt on what Joran did, and how much they helped him after the fact. I think that's significant.

I am concerned that we (with the evidence as it stands now) are not so far able to get to the underlying crime of drugging/rape at this point but I think it can come out if the prosecutor stays at Joran HARD. Proving K2 complicity in THAT aspect (in other words, the planning of the crime) is still a tough nut to crack. But hey, the refugees don't care that much about K2 anyway, they are all worried about Joran. They need to be, IMO.

At least right now, we are starting to get some idea of what happened to Natalee and she may be found. We didn't have that a week ago.

Let Us Continue.

Love this post SB
ITA

[NYC_lover]

Not you, NYC!  Blah picks on me because I am Dutch-American and he is a mean old man.

I was wondering if you could explain why it is not a crime for a first degree relative to assist one who has committed a crime.  I don't think Paulus will be charged for assisting Joran but some do.

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Ok, Anna I understand. Cool u are Dutch-American, please tell me more about it....

In the Musings thread please

[klaasend]

Things that still bother me:
Yes, Tygergal. The casino photo with Paulus.
The witnesses who came forward about being raped by Joran.
Guido charged with 'heavy battery'
that aviation guy who was questioned repeatedly
Stephanie Croes/Loco Stefy's zorpia site, now gone (2 different people Loco Stef's site is still up)
The DEA presence in Aruba
  and then the cartel arrests last March was it?
Amy Bradley similarities
Posner vanishing (and turning up in Detroit running a pet photo mobile)(not Posner - that is Paul Brough aka Mr. Pink:  Posner is most likely still in Aruba.  Paul Brough is in Michigan)
ebb

My corrections in RED

[wreck]

IMO of course.

Mos is just the latest in a long line of pied pipers that has lead the well intentionned posters on this board right into the sea.

I stopped believeing early on mainly because I'm so cynical. Talk is so cheap.

I've watched you get your hopes dashed time and time again by these charlatains.

If they had any semblance of a case they would be filing charges. It's not rocket science.

Referring to TV, my parents used to preach "Don't believe anything you hear and half of what you see."

A boat looking for a 2 1/2 year old body in the ocean? Please...........

Ignorance is bliss. (I take great offense to how you characterize us "rats" here at SM -- you can stick it!)

[klaasend]

Posted at RU by HannieC:

HannieC Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:37 pm   

Speaking of Guido....

There´s a program here on tv called `Missing`, it was yesterday evening on tv, and they had a tiny fragment about this case. They received a letter from a ´psychic´ in which he stated that Guido murdered Natalee....fwiw...

And then they went ahead with the program..... 

[Observer]

Posted at RU by HannieC:

HannieC Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:37 pm   

Speaking of Guido....

There´s a program here on tv called `Missing`, it was yesterday evening on tv, and they had a tiny fragment about this case. They received a letter from a ´psychic´ in which he stated that Guido murdered Natalee....fwiw...

And then they went ahead with the program..... 

I'M sure the Wevers are gonna love that..His parents were the ones that were threatening everyone after his release to not make accusations or speculate about him publicly.

[blah]

Does anyone know what time Beth Dave and JQK are supposed to meet with Mos?

Should we expect to hear anything from them afterwards?

Do we know how long they plan to stay on the island?

[Port Valerie]

The Chicago Tribune today:


A friend of the girl's mother, Beth Twitty, who traveled to Aruba with her this week said Twitty was upset by the decision.

"She was getting her life back to normal before all this happened," Carol Standiser said. "It would have been better to let things go the way they were going."

[klaasend]

Does anyone know what time Beth Dave and JQK are supposed to meet with Mos?

Should we expect to hear anything from them afterwards?

Do we know how long they plan to stay on the island?

No

[Puzzler]

SIMPLISTIC COMPARISON

This is good, Klaas.  Thanks!

[blah]

Posted at RU by HannieC:

HannieC Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:37 pm   

Speaking of Guido....

There´s a program here on tv called `Missing`, it was yesterday evening on tv, and they had a tiny fragment about this case. They received a letter from a ´psychic´ in which he stated that Guido murdered Natalee....fwiw...

And then they went ahead with the program..... 

I'M sure the Wevers are gonna love that..His parents were the ones that were threatening everyone after his release to not make accusations or speculate about him publicly.

funny that they think they can prevent anyone from having an opinion of their little princess

errrrr  son



errrr  whatever

[Puzzler]

There are some things that still haunt me about this case and simplifying it is easy but then those "not so simple" things come back to haunt me. 

Some are the behavior of Joran with his parents.  He seems to be assuring them that he is going to take care of them by patting Anita on the head, as a child would do a small pet or as we recall from days (crap) before integration, the way a slave holder would pat his favorite slave on the head as if to say he/she was going to be taken care of.

Then there are the statements of Joran where he always infers he is doing this for his family, he is doing what they would want him to do, he is suffering for them.

Then Deepak's statement of "your own dad, unbelievable."  At that point, Joran seems to bristle and tells him he is doing this for his daddy.  Joran reminds them they are responsible for his daddy going to jail.

Then there is the picture of Paulus at the casino near Natalee.

The biggest question of all, "Why did they drug her?"  Why did they feel it was necessary to drug Natalee if they were going to take her out, Joran was simply going to court her and hopefully have sex with her.  There is something here that still makes me suspicious that Paulus is involved in the arranging, the drugging and raping of Natalee.

Yep!

[Tylergal]

IMO of course.

Mos is just the latest in a long line of pied pipers that has lead the well intentionned posters on this board right into the sea.

I stopped believeing early on mainly because I'm so cynical. Talk is so cheap.

I've watched you get your hopes dashed time and time again by these charlatains.

If they had any semblance of a case they would be filing charges. It's not rocket science.

Referring to TV, my parents used to preach "Don't believe anything you hear and half of what you see."

A boat looking for a 2 1/2 year old body in the ocean? Please...........

Wizard, as I have stated before, all we have and all Natalee's family and the millions of people who care about justice, is faith/hope. 

We are all welcome here to express our opinions, and that is a great thing, because few places allow us that liberty, particularly those sites which are operated and managed by some who appear to have taken leave of their senses, if they ever in fact, had any.

I am not speaking for management or anyone else here, completely from a selfish standpoint, but you, who have tried on the few occasions you post here, to inject the rantings of this group of ill-intentioned nitwits, have no ground to stand on when calling someone a rat. 

We know that you are a purveyor of these sites, highly watched by law enforcement, and that is fine, you are free to do that, but for the sake of your own dignity, don't embarrass yourself further by propagating their fantasies in the name of justice and caring.

[blah]

OH!

Thats gonna leave a mark.

[Lala'sMom]

Exactly, Tyler.

And while Paulus is not the brightest bulb on the tree (Anna using festive, Christmas analogy) he is smart enough to go just so far and no more.  For example, he might help Joran arrange for disposal but not actually handle the corpse to skirt being charged with illegal disposal.

Clever if stupid.

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Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. he knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out. [/i]


Sorry. I know this is not what you want as your back up, but it's the best I can do on short notice.  Paulus will never be charged...that is why the premeditated charge did not work...KJ knew it wouldn't stick and therefore she used it. 

[MuffyBee]

IMO of course.

Mos is just the latest in a long line of pied pipers that has lead the well intentionned posters on this board right into the sea.

I stopped believeing early on mainly because I'm so cynical. Talk is so cheap.

I've watched you get your hopes dashed time and time again by these charlatains.

If they had any semblance of a case they would be filing charges. It's not rocket science.

Referring to TV, my parents used to preach "Don't believe anything you hear and half of what you see."

A boat looking for a 2 1/2 year old body in the ocean? Please...........

My, my, my.  Don't you have it all figured out.  You are entitled to your opinion.  Yes, we monkeys have had our hopes dashed a number of times, but does that mean we should give up?  There are a lot of monkeys, including myself that aren't giving up, even 2 1/2 years later.  And some of us believe there is a "semblance of a case".  It's not necessary yet to file charges imo.  And, what do you know about looking in the ocean for a 2 1/2 year old body?!  Obviously not much.  There is a group of professionals that are headed to try to do just that.  They believe they can find Natalee.  Maybe not a whole body, but maybe enough...

Right now, none of use here that I know of have all the answers.  But we believe in justice for Natalee.

[MuffyBee]

Correction:  "us"  not "use"