Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 - 6/10/10

[crazybabyborg]

I don't get all the criticism of the FBI. Joran had received a downpayment, and the info he gave didn't, or hasn't, produced anything. Had Stephany's murder not happened, don't you think Joran would have come back to the well? The opportunity to tighten the deal in terms of actual results would have been there, and they already had the exortion nailed down. Of course the FBI and Beth wanted more than that! What was she supposed to do..... depend on Aruba??? Give up on ever knowing?

Even in this incident alone, if anyone is responsible, other than Joran. for Stephany's death, it's once again Aruban authorities. We all know without doubt, they tipped him off and that's what caused him to flee.

It's been 5 years and no other murder case in connection with Joran had come to light. The FBI was busy trying to solve a case that was handed on a silver platter to Aruba.

I don't get the criticism of the FBI either-who stands to gain from this I wonder:  Only conclusion I can come up with is Aruba  [ in their minds ].

The FBI's hands have been tied on that island from the very beginning.  They were allowed to go only so far, and no further.  We all here have seen that.  Did they magically change and let the FBI have free rein in this?  I really doubt it.

Oh, when this latest murder broke, Aruba knew they had tipped him off causing him to run and in an effort to deflect blame, they threw Greta a bone and she grabbed it like a hungry dog. They indicated to her that the FBI had all that was needed to charge him and should have arrested him. It's the same old song and dance. He**, Aruba should have convicted him 5 years ago!

[Angiex911dsptchr]

According to the affadavit JVS was confronted on May 17th that his information was false, which he then admitted. He was already out of Aruba by then. He was tipped off. May 10th to May 17th they were trying to see if he might actually tell them where Natalee was. I'm so sick of seeing this story turn into the FBI being at fault for Stephany's murder.

I've been gone. When will there be a press conference? No formal charges yet?

 The press coference was postponed.cancelled..  the jackass was taken to the prosecuters office ..  Waiting for formal charges to be filed and may be transferred elsewhere later on today.. I been seeing bits and peices on tv.

I really think they were afraid someone would pull a Lee Harvey Oswald on him.

Could be MIS ! Bullet proof vest may protect his chest but not his head !  i don't want him dead.. I want him to suffer for the craimes he has done.. I hope and pray maybe he will spill it about Natalee.. I am not holding my breath on that one.. IMO.. Gawd,.... I am probably going to get attacted for saying this.. BUT.. I know he knows what he did to her.. AND.. IMO.. Daddy sloot got rid of her body and  Joran has no idea where she is.. Perhaps I am wrong but been thinking of that off and on. 

Angie, good to see you!  I alos think this from time to time.  Unless Joran helped Paulus with the actual disposal, no way did Paulus tell Joran where Natalee's remains are.  He knows Joran can't keep his big mouth shut and would eventually tell at least a few people.  So I sort of doubt Joran even knows where the remains are.  Paulus would be foolish to tell Joran anything.

 Hey Anna.. great to see you too ! I'm glad you kind of feel the way I do.. I hate feeling this way,, but have for a long time. I think Daddy Sloot took that to the grave with him.. OR Joran may have known and Daddy moved her.. as you said.. he has a big mouth. Hopefully something comes from his laptop of importance.

[Port Valerie]

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Joran van der Sloot was taken to the lockup of Public Prosecutions

he has a plaid shirt on!!!  OH how he loves his plaid shirts!  LOL

Mama must have brought it to him. She left his Grateful Dead shirts at home.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Came running home to find ... no presser ... no charges yet ... sad.

Monster's mommy sure is keeping a low profile!  Apparently she doesn't find the LE or the journalists in Peru quite as accommodating as those in Aruba.  Sorry Monster Mommy!  Should have told your sporter to confine his murders to Aruba.

 HI there.. Earlier on TV it was reported that there has been NOTHING at all from JVDS family.. 

[darleenofalabama]

Hi, Angie and Anna.  Even if his lying, murder accomplice, murder-covering up, now begging from mercy from the devil, daddy did hide Natalee's body and not tell the murderer where he put it, he didn't do that alone--so somebody knows and they really ought to start talking before the truth comes out and it gets even worse for them.

[crazybabyborg]

I think it was Bo Dietl who was on O'Reilly the other night discussing the FBI's extortion sting in Aruba and both he and O'Reilly agreed that it was Aruba who inexplicably (to them, although we know how corrupt they are) dropped the ball on this one.  I think they said the Aruban government has to give permission to the FBI to make the arrest there.

Yes, I saw that, darleen. However, most news media picked up Aruba's slant. It was out there first and a simpler soundbite. The real story takes some in depth knowledge and a closer look at details. It's the same as in politics. Most people aren't news junkies, and the best soundbites become perception. The devil is always in the details.

[Port Valerie]

Hi, Angie and Anna.  Even if his lying, murder accomplice, murder-covering up, now begging from mercy from the devil, daddy did hide Natalee's body and not tell the murderer where he put it, he didn't do that alone--so somebody knows and they really ought to start talking before the truth comes out and it gets even worse for them.

A whole lot of people know. That's the problem.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Who in the heck paints rocks in the middle of nowhere?

Aruban and Dutch under the direction of Van der Stratton and PVDS

 I wish and always have that there was somehow Rob could have retrieved that video he had that gal sent him years ago..   

[carpe noctem]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20392801,00.html

Joran van der Sloot: Portrait of a Killer

Update Thursday June 10, 2010 10:55 AM EDT
Originally posted Thursday June 10, 2010 08:15 AM EDT


At 16, Joran van der Sloot was a star athlete. He had a girlfriend to whom he wrote love notes, and with whom he danced in the rain. Now, he has reportedly confessed to killing a young woman in a hotel room in Peru. Had there been any early signs in the Dutchman of violent behavior?

Back when he was a teen in love, van der Sloot and his girlfriend kept a diary together, which they filled with his poems about love and sexual desire. But their breakup, she says, was hurried along by his "problem with lying" – a trait he displayed to the world with ever-changing accounts of his role, at age 17, in the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway, PEOPLE reports in its new issue, on newsstands Friday.

Exactly five years after Natalee vanished in May 2005 on a high-school graduation trip to Aruba, the main suspect in that still-unsolved case stands accused again. But this time, authorities in Peru have a body and a confession linking van der Sloot, now 23, to the murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez, in a case with striking parallels.

In exclusive interviews in PEOPLE, former intimates track the path of the charming young Dutchman who bore his stigma of a possible killer across four continents – from Aruba, to the Netherlands, to Thailand, to Peru – preceding his fateful meeting May 30 in another casino with another young woman.

RELATED: Report: Joran Van der Sloot Recounts Chilling Moments After Murder

Shunned by Pals
"All his friends turned their backs on him," says Aline Hibbert, 22, another former girlfriend. An increasingly desperate life accompanied by drinking, drug use and gambling led even his parents to stop supporting him, and as money ran out, he tried to extort Natalee's mom, Beth, by offering details on her daughter's death and the body's whereabouts.

The arrogance, temper and short fuse long witnessed by those around him flared again when – according to his confession – van der Sloot caught Flores reading about his ties to Natalee on his laptop computer. He lashed out, breaking her neck and fleeing to Chile, according to police. "I didn't want to do it," he said to authorities. "The girl intruded in my life."

[darleenofalabama]

You are right, CBB; as I was reading your post, I was making a mental comparison with how the liberal media spins politics (although, that's getting really harder for them to do with a straight face nowadays; maybe the same is going to happen to Aruba about this case).  Anyway, who in their right mind is going to believe anything concerning Natalee's case that comes out of Aruba??

[AZLady]

Came running home to find ... no presser ... no charges yet ... sad.

Monster's mommy sure is keeping a low profile!  Apparently she doesn't find the LE or the journalists in Peru quite as accommodating as those in Aruba.  Sorry Monster Mommy!  Should have told your sporter to confine his murders to Aruba.

 HI there.. Earlier on TV it was reported that there has been NOTHING at all from JVDS family.. 

Hi Angie.  The JVDS family has not publicly been visible, but it was their money that hired Joran's private lawyer and will ease his transition to prison.  They are financing his defense, but keeping out of the media.

[darleenofalabama]

And there's a connundrum, PortValerie; one would think that the more people who know, the greater the chance that someone would start talking...

[AZLady]

And there's a connundrum, PortValerie; one would think that the more people who know, the greater the chance that someone would start talking...

That's the really unbelievable part of this.  How do you keep so many people quiet?  Blood ties bind tightly, it seems.  And I don't mean family ties, either.

[Tylergal]

Natalee was not accidently killed, she didnt trip, she didnt fall, she didnt slip, she didnt overdose, she didnt run off, she didnt run away from Beth or Jug or Dave.


she was MURDERED by JORAN

and the coverup includes dozens of GUTLESS PIGS 

i hope they all rot in hell

Dang, that is a memory from a few years ago.  Those were fun days with bad events occurring, but everyone remembers the cigar bunny thingy.  Did you two really know each other in the other life?  LOL


THE END

 Ready for that cigar yet from the "bunny" ?        

[darleenofalabama]

Good analagy, AZLady.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hi, Angie and Anna.  Even if his lying, murder accomplice, murder-covering up, now begging from mercy from the devil, daddy did hide Natalee's body and not tell the murderer where he put it, he didn't do that alone--so somebody knows and they really ought to start talking before the truth comes out and it gets even worse for them.

 Hi there Darleen !   I agree
<ps> read your post about the baby you were caring for.. I have kept that little baby in my prayers.. Bless its little heart>

[Port Valerie]

And there's a connundrum, PortValerie; one would think that the more people who know, the greater the chance that someone would start talking...

Or perhaps otherwise in a small locked-in community like Aruba. One person can't decide to talk and take the consequences without also bringing down close friends and relatives. I think the island geography and mentality has a lot to do with it. Besides, who would you tell? This goes to the top of the island social pyramid.

[klaasend]

For those that don't read back - the Kalpoes aren't having much better luck than Joran. 




I suspect the next ruling will be the judge throwing out case and awarding damages to the defendants.

[darleenofalabama]

Oh, Angie; that baby has died.  Trisome 13 is fatal, and they never live long.

[ozziesmom]

I don't think everyone knows where she is...

The three "boys" know what happened to her that night and where...that's as far as they are involved...Paulus and Van Der Stratten took care of her body, the evidence at the place she was murdered, then at the place she was buried, and finally at her final location.....Joran has no idea where she is, that's why he comes up with all these stories...JMHO

Paulus knew Joran would tell someone, remember Joran likes to talk...his dad knew this....