Caylee Marie Anthony #98 1/24/09 - 1/26/09

[Dolce]

Brandi...they do not have to call all the witnesses, just because they are on the list does not mean they will be called.

Thank you so much for an answer, no rose!

I swear, some days I think I am posting in invisible ink!

 

I see you Brandi!  I am multi-tasking as the hubs has decided to buy yet another house as an investment.  Doing a lot of paper work here. 
I do not know the answer to your question - sorry!!

[flossy]

Thanks Flossy for acknowledging!  I have 2 questions and maybe some monkey's who have either worked for Children's service or had experience with them might be able to answer even if it was not in Florida.

1. Why would BJ allow Casey to speak with them without representation? (other than the fact that he's a complete moron)

2. What would/could they be bringing to the State's case?

I know we are just guessing as we don't know but someone's got to know what Children's services would possibly be investigating.

You know, I had to do a double take to make sure they were on the State's list and not Bozo's defense witness list.  That would really make me panic as I would think he was trying to establish that someone else was abusing Caylee and he would just go from there!

[Lovinlife]

Thanks Flossy for acknowledging!  I have 2 questions and maybe some monkey's who have either worked for Children's service or had experience with them might be able to answer even if it was not in Florida.

1. Why would BJ allow Casey to speak with them without representation? (other than the fact that he's a complete moron)

2. What would/could they be bringing to the State's case?

I know we are just guessing as we don't know but someone's got to know what Children's services would possibly be investigating.

You know, I had to do a double take to make sure they were on the State's list and not Bozo's defense witness list.  That would really make me panic as I would think he was trying to establish that someone else was abusing Caylee and he would just go from there!

And did you conlude that they were?  I could be wrong as I'm trying to work and read here at the same time.  If I am incorrect, please let me know. TIA Lovinlife

[Today]

Good afternoon Monkeys! 

I'm like, OH, one entire thread behind  but I saw something that struck me as quite interesting and I wanted to share and get some feedback from you smart, smart monkeys.

I've mentioned this before:
Inmate visitor log shows on 1/9/2009 Slore had 2 visitors from 4:41pm-5:04pm.  The were Williams Procknow and Dawn Murray. The reason for the visit is listed as "interview".  No attornery present.
Slore's visitor log:  http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation%20Log%20Anthony.pdf
I looked up these people and found that the worked for Department of Children & Families and thought at the time...HHHHMMMM, that's odd

Now, I see the updated States witness list and they are both listed (Dawn Murray pg 5 and William Procknow pg 6) I know the visitor log says Williams, I am assuming that this is a typo.
State's Witness list: http://www.wftv.com/news/18565940/detail.html

HHHHMMMM now to me that is even more interesting.  Does anyone else find this interesting or have a comment that they'd like to share about this? 

Lovin

I still feel the same as when I commented on this topic the other night.  I think its regarding KC.

[always 1]

Hi Mizjay!!

I think Caylee's ability to tell things was an increasing problem for Casey, too. Her "work and Nanny" stories were about to end. I think chloroform may have helped Casey with that, even if she came back to the house.

ITA CBB, you're looking lovely as always!

Thank you!!

You too A-1 , I'm still trying to process the fact that you're a grandma!

You are so sweet.!!!!

[klaasend]

I am not sure if this has been posted already but just found it. It's the new witness list for the prosecution.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18565940/detail.html

Answered my question about Annie Dowling

Great news!

That is one heck of a list, too.  Both Uncle Rick and Grandma will be testifying for the state!!

Correct me if I am wrong, monkeys, but it is my understanding that the witness list is a list of people they MAY call for testimony. Not that everyone on the list WILL be called.

And hello, monkeys!

Quoting myself because I don't know if no one saw my post or if no one knows.

And hello again monkeys.

Brandi - I think you're correct and I'm sure people can be added to the list as well.  My bet is Tim Milller will be added at some point.

[crazybabyborg]

Hi Mizjay!!

I think Caylee's ability to tell things was an increasing problem for Casey, too. Her "work and Nanny" stories were about to end. I think chloroform may have helped Casey with that, even if she came back to the house.

ITA CBB, you're looking lovely as always!

Lovinlife ... if you are after that edit option ... it ain't gonna happen.

 

Janet

 

OK, smarty. I don't give them out. Hummingbird and I just kept blowing the margins, so it was a defensive maneuver on the powers that be. 

Lovinlife? I'm sorry, I should have thanked you for the compliment! Today found it for me and I reworked a thing or two. 

I'm trying to figure out what, exactly Conway can do to speed up a burial for Caylee. Who's pulling the strings on the defense on that, I wonder? Worse case scenario is that she would have to be exhumed.   
Seems to me that they've had plenty of time to do whatever they need to do.

[Puzzler]

I didn't hear anything about George professing Casey's innocence in the letter.  Do you know where I can find that?  I only remember that he said Casey wouldn't "hurt" Caylee, which immediately made me think that it was a father parsing words: i.e., not hurting someone is different than saying didn't cause the death of some one.  Parsing done by someone in pain and trying to find a way to live with the reality of what's happened which is just too painful to accept (at least at this time).  Sounds like George is trying to wrap his mind around some sort of accident....we even heard George tell LE that he just couldn't bear to think that he raised someone that would kill his granddaughter (words to that effect).  At this point, I'm thinking he meant that statement.

Very interesting take on this Puzzler, thank you for sharing that. 
I keep going back to his reaction and actions in his interviews with LE where he physically got sick over details.  I do not believe he was faking then either, I think he honestly has issues, I mean clearly he has issues his granddaughter was murdered, his daughter is in prison for the crime, and he is the "Head of the Family" and can not do a damn thing about any of it.
It is hard enough to keep up with ones own lies let alone the lies of others.

Yes, I agree.  Head of the family, but helpless...cannot help Caylee...and, now, cannot help Casey either.  Looks like the LE is coming after Lee, now, too.  And...Cindy...well..Cindy is Cindy.  George professes to love her and we all know how blind love can be...

[flossy]

Thanks Flossy for acknowledging!  I have 2 questions and maybe some monkey's who have either worked for Children's service or had experience with them might be able to answer even if it was not in Florida.

1. Why would BJ allow Casey to speak with them without representation? (other than the fact that he's a complete moron)

2. What would/could they be bringing to the State's case?

I know we are just guessing as we don't know but someone's got to know what Children's services would possibly be investigating.

You know, I had to do a double take to make sure they were on the State's list and not Bozo's defense witness list.  That would really make me panic as I would think he was trying to establish that someone else was abusing Caylee and he would just go from there!

And did you conlude that they were?  I could be wrong as I'm trying to work and read here at the same time.  If I am incorrect, please let me know. TIA Lovinlife

Oh, I'm sorry - I meant that I did a double take while looking at your post, but I think I did see their names on there earlier.

[Tamikosmom]

Hey ... I have not doubt that the contents of the letter will emerge.  In other words ... the truth will be revealed.

Until then ... Orlando media publications are all we have to go on.  If we are going to disregard the words of these publications ... I believe the dialogue in the Casey Anthony case would come to a stop.

Janet

IMO  I hope the contents of the letter NEVER emerges.  Since we seem to get no indication that George has spilled any new information "pertinent" to the demise of Caylee, then I'm not sure I know why the contents of the letter should come out.  It's in LE's hands and it would be part of a medical record.  There are privacy laws...unless George wants to disclose the contents himself. 

IF the contents ever come out, IMO, everyone (press, pundits, bloggers, etc.) will pick over every single word and parse it into a million pieces.  Everyone will have an opinion about what it means.  None will be right IMO because how can you "know" what a person in depression and pain is thinking...you can't....you might know how you would think...but we can't know what another person is thinking....IMO

I agree, some things should be kept private~unless it pertains to some evidence regarding Caylee, etc.

According to Geraldo the other night ... he has been afforded a copy of George's entire letter.

Either it was leaked or ... Cindy Anthony (Brad Conway) who allegedly have an exclusive contract with FOX played a part.

IMO

Janet

He NEVER had it, and neither did Brad Conway..........just a teaser. Truly, if Whorealdo had the letter I feel certain he would have shown it no doubt.

...but ... but ... do we know for certain?

I contend the Geraldo teaser appeared prior to the airing of his show.  In the meantime ... Geraldo was instructed not to include the reading of the note on his show.

I am just a wannabe detective speculating.

Janet

[theboyzmom]

Brandi...they do not have to call all the witnesses, just because they are on the list does not mean they will be called.

Thank you so much for an answer, no rose!

I swear, some days I think I am posting in invisible ink!

 

I see you Brandi!  I am multi-tasking as the hubs has decided to buy yet another house as an investment.  Doing a lot of paper work here. 
I do not know the answer to your question - sorry!!

Just got back Brandi - and I SEE YOU! 

No, no one that lists people on their witness list has to call them.  But you generally can not call them if they are not on your list.

[always 1]

OH MY GOSH YOU GUYS  _ I was looking up sites in my magazines at the same time and in my Feb IN STYLE, it showed this site which I took to be undies, so I looked at it and it was XXXXXXXXXX  and it had a tie that goes around your mouth with a RED HEART on it.   

[crazybabyborg]

I think what Janet is saying is simple.

When we first heard about George's alleged suicide attempt many of them felt very sorry for the man.  With the documentation being released about the duct tape and heart shaped sticker, how much more can a person take?

BUT THEN we see a report that in the letter he wrote he is still defending Casey. This is what is difficult to comprehend.  It also lends to the possibility it was a stunt like Wendy Murphy suggested on Dana Pretzer last night.

Klaas, you have the best way of putting things so succinctly!

Since I'm on a roll with my gut feelings on George's suicide thing, I'll add one more thought. Again, it's a personal opinion. It fits that George would put something in a note defending Casey. To get to the point that you want to die, you feel unworthy to live. George can't help Caylee, he can't help Casey, he can't help Cindy, or even consistently stay in the same mindset with her. Overwhelming helplessness and unworthiness are symptoms of depression, and those seem to be stronger in men, who typically feel obliged to "fix" things.

That he defended Casey, and sought to blame someone else goes along with his statement that Cindy could do better, IMO. It's all he could do to offer his best to them from that dark hole.

I've thought a lot about a night I posted here in response to seeing George in the driveway having an altercation with the crowd. I commented on how "impotent" the man seemed. It was critical, and I didn't mean it kindly at all! But, it's come back to me in connection with all this suicide stuff. I think the outburst and what I saw was just another cog in the wheel that has brought him to this point. For whatever it's worth, I think that had George been carrying any guilt about contributing to any harm of Caylee, he would have included it in the note. He may very well have done something to protect Casey, and I'm sure the temptation has been there to WANT to lean on Cindy's surety about everything. I think it's been difficult for him to totally buy Cindy's version, and he's been conflicted over supporting her, protecting his daughter, what logic kept telling him, and what his gut told him.
Again, JMO.

CBB...you have a great way with putting words together, too...

A part of George is the proud grandfather pulling his granddaughter holding her dolly around the neighborhood in a little red wagon.

IMO When the remains were found and identified...that was reality...there was nothing more he could do to help Caylee.  Last week, when the piling up of information came out: duct tape with heart; trash bag with yellow handles; silver duct tape on the skull and gas can; etc., that was reality...there was nothing more he could to to help Casey. 

I tend to believe Conway in one statement he made: That Cindy and George don't want to know all the details.  It's too painful.  Yet...last week...all that information was coming out...on top of everything else.  It was overwhelming to the monkeys...we were disgusted about hearing about the heart sticker...Surely it was more devastating to a family member to hear all of this.

We know a few things about George:
I know that smell and I hate to say it but it smells like death (words to that effect).
When I smelled that smell (at the car lot) I said a prayer that it wasn't Casey or Caylee.
I hate to think that I brought someone into the world that would kill my granddaughter.

IMO George has had this awful fear for 6 months (probably 7 months because Lee told Casey he was "done with" the way Casey was treating Mom - not letting her see Caylee, which means George wasn't getting to see Caylee either). 

Lately, just awful facts have be coming out and and this huge reality is looming over everything.

 

[NewfieMonkey]

I keep seeing posts that say LE is investigating (or ramping up their investigation on) LA?

Are you monkeys gonna make me read through the entire thread ... or can someone tell me ... how did we find this out?  Is there an article?  Someone hold a presser?  What did I miss?

[mizjay]

One question that keeps nagging at me regarding George's suicide attempt is, at first CA says that he became upset after she had asked him to pick out jewelry for the funeral,as if the service is going to happen soon but then Conway says that the lack of control and not being able to lay her to rest was the thing that pushed him over the cliff.

Well, which is it.I understand that the whole nasty situation would be enough but CA's usual convoluted explanantion makes me think it's not 100 % true.

[mstam656]

Why does BOZO list some of the same witnesses on his list as is ion the prosecution list????  Isn't that what cross examination is for?  IS he stupid or am I?

[Today]

Brandi - I think you're correct and I'm sure people can be added to the list as well.  My bet is Tim Milller will be added at some point.

I'm going to ask again.  If Tim Miller is not a witness, doesn't this make Baez's motion for TES information mute?  Maybe no one knows LMAO

[crazybabyborg]

I keep seeing posts that say LE is investigating (or ramping up their investigation on) LA?

Are you monkeys gonna make me read through the entire thread ... or can someone tell me ... how did we find this out?  Is there an article?  Someone hold a presser?  What did I miss?

You won't find details, Newfie, even if you do go back and read. There's a video that says that a source close to the investigation says "Lee knows what he has done," but that's all that I know of, anyway.

[Brandi]

I keep seeing posts that say LE is investigating (or ramping up their investigation on) LA?

Are you monkeys gonna make me read through the entire thread ... or can someone tell me ... how did we find this out?  Is there an article?  Someone hold a presser?  What did I miss?

http://www.wesh.com/video/18560970/index.html

[Puzzler]

Casey's attorney Jose Baez also filed a motion Monday to obtain documents on former boyfriend Ricardo Morales' MySpace page (read motion). One had a picture with the phrase, "Winning women over with chloroform."

Given that Baez is in such hot persuit of Mr. Chloroform, can we assume that chloroform must have been found in or within or around the remains of Caylee?

Is it just me, or does it seem like Baez is very slow in doing his own independant investigation in this case?