Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 - 5/17/09

[Magnolia]

I'm probably behind all of you but just visited an Aruban bulletin board where the Natalee Holloway movie is being discussed in it's own thread.  While there, someone mentioned it's also being discussed on other similar boards, which I haven't gone to, as yet.  Here's an excerpt of a reply by charlierat that made my radar go up:

I am personally acquainted with Dave and Robin Holloway and I have met Beth Holloway. They all acknowledge that the people of Aruba were wonderful to them and that the emotional support that they received on the island was a huge lift in allowing them to continue on during the most difficult times.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/natalie-holloway-movie-11682/

We know he 'met' Beth at her book signing, but the 'personally acquainted with Dave and Robin' .....is that meaning through the internet?   If you go there, you'll also see replies by CC.         

Charlierat was a mod on that BNH board that Robin and Mark Purcell started.
That was after he was banned from RU.
I don't know if that board still exist.  We'll have to ask Bastibro.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56320.php

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[2NJSons_Mom]

I'm probably behind all of you but just visited an Aruban bulletin board where the Natalee Holloway movie is being discussed in it's own thread.  While there, someone mentioned it's also being discussed on other similar boards, which I haven't gone to, as yet.  Here's an excerpt of a reply by charlierat that made my radar go up:

I am personally acquainted with Dave and Robin Holloway and I have met Beth Holloway. They all acknowledge that the people of Aruba were wonderful to them and that the emotional support that they received on the island was a huge lift in allowing them to continue on during the most difficult times.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/natalie-holloway-movie-11682/

We know he 'met' Beth at her book signing, but the 'personally acquainted with Dave and Robin' .....is that meaning through the internet?   If you go there, you'll also see replies by CC.         

Charlierat was a mod on that BNH board that Robin and Mark Purcell started.
That was after he was banned from RU.
I don't know if that board still exist.  We'll have to ask Bastibro.

Thanks, Magnolia.  I didn't know he was a mod there, too.....guess he practices law in moderation.   

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56318.php

Google translation:

Government is considering declaration

May 9, 2009, 15:29 (GMT -04:00)

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Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) took the Interbank affair during the festive opening of the FCCA-funded retirement home in Paradera.

ORANGE CITY - The report to the mismanagement of social housing FCCA Foundation in 2000 that the foundation with one million debt it was saddled, is ready in six weeks. It should indicate who within and beyond the foundation was responsible for buying the nearly bankrupt Interbank. The role of the Central Bank of Aruba, which supervises the banking sector, is part of the investigation.

The research is more than seven years ago with the arrival of the new MEP government. FCCA faced by this government with a debt of almost 100 million florin as a result of the acquisition of Interbank. The Board of Trustees of the foundation was replaced and a new manager. They decided almost immediately to an investigation. In all these years, the only MEP managers and parliamentarians who have cited the case publicly. FCCA, says director Peter van Poppel, has in all these years as far as possible kept quiet about the matter. Also last Thursday, at the opening of the first retirement home of FCCA, he will not lose it. He will first wait for the forensic report. However, he asked whether there after all these years people still held liable. "It is difficult to prosecute," concludes Van Poppel caution that the situation compares with the current crisis in the banking world. This is widely held responsible for the global recession.

Still loved Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, and Minister of Education, Social Affairs and Infrastructure Marisol Lopez-Tromp, not last Thursday in Paradera. In their opening speeches, they just took it to the affair. According to Prime Minister Oduber would now 43 homes as of Paradera can be built if the bank had not been purchased. He goes off on a report that his office has compiled. It states that FCCA - after being forced to sell to Interbank Aruba Bank otherwise not going bankrupt - after around 43 million florin lost.

Mansur Family

Minister Tromp (MEP), responsible for social housing policy, the Interbank affair still worse than the corruption scandal Desaroyo Nobo Fondo San Nicolas. "There are housing opportunities and deprived of a weaker target."

Like the Fondo case were prominent within the political party AVP, the largest MEP counterpart involved. By Interbank was a bank that was literally in the hands of the Mansur family. As then, the Nederlandsche Bank posted, President of the Central Bank Johan du Marchie Sarvaas in 2000 in a letter to, inter alia, the Governor and Prime Minister wrote: "The bank acted as a hub for liquidity within the system of companies and people from a known family. Not only were the shares owned by this family, including management and partially the Supervisory Board. "

The bank also provided loans without the creditworthiness of applicants to assess whether a zero percent rate as the family Eman. Moreover, many of which the loan is not paid back until today, says the Minister. "Part of the money is probably abroad. FCCA example, oddly enough, also has houses on Bonaire. "

Declaration

She does not yet lost, or the government effectively responsible for the court is dragging. It is the intention, but how and which declaration is made, the Minister has not yet say. "We await the first report. On this basis, we can act, because we do not rely on speculation or rumors. "

Why the report so long as such had to wait, it has to do with the size of the study. "There were a lot of people are interviewed and selected it." The extent of the damage, find Tromp Minister, is much greater than the amount already mentioned. "We could not give many years in social housing. Those who are behind it, have tried on so-called legal purpose of the foundation to rape. This to sacrifice to save the bank from its difficult situation. Imagine, tomorrow is a bank at the point going bankrupt and is housed in Casa Cuna, which has a lot of money. Then all the money from those kids at once to the debts of that bank. "

The minister would not overlook or even the Central Bank has not failed to supervise. "The opinions are divided. So that they monitor transactions, which would otherwise have never made. This also needs further investigation. "
 

FCCA

Fundacion Cas pa Comunidad Arubano was in 1979 the government established to address the shortage of social housing. Until 1992 it was entitled to a favorable financing from the Dutch to the Aruban government. Since 1993, the income of commercial loans. The foundation is providing mortgages to families who do not have sufficient resources to build a house. FCCA late as building blocks, for example elderly. Since 2004 the foundation also sells insurance.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56317.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Financing and grid connection wind around

May 9, 2009, 15:28 (GMT -04:00)

Oranjestad - Aruba Investment Bank (AIB) and pension fund Apfa finance the construction of the electricity cable of the wind park in Father Piet to the grid. The seven kilometer long cable with a capacity of 60 kilovolts is from Father Piet to the substation in Zeewijk and is a project of the Water and Power (WEB).

The cost of the so-called Grid Connection Father Piet amounts little more than fourteen million florin. This is also the only investment that will make WEB themselves under the still to wind Hutting by Wind Energy and Bright Capital Partners. WEB is the only purchaser of the wind and made its price, which according to Director WEB Jossy Laclé the less energy will depend on the fluctuation of oil prices. The customer price is more or less, with room for adjustment based on inflation figures from the Central Bureau of Statistics.

Eighteen percent
During the drawing ceremony around the funding of this project announced WEB director Jossy Laclé that the construction of the turbine park is so well planned that the ten wind turbines manufacturer Vestas before the end of the year at their place will be. In total, to eighteen percent of total energy demand on the island by the wind. The rest of the fuel generated by turbines on Balashi. Apart from the wind, the WEB no plans to green its energy further. It remains in the wind on Father Pedro. "Unless later decided that a wind farm in Parke Arikok place, which I doubt," said Jossy Laclé.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56319.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Rio Berden festive opening
May 9, 2009, 15:27 (GMT -04:00)
 
ORANGE CITY - the list Mike Eman (AVP) and election candidate Paul Croes make their entrance at the official opening of Rio raised, the party house of AVP in the North. The event was accompanied by performances by Robert Maduro and Youth X-treme, Miniteca Exide and Brassband and speeches of candidates. The opening was also announced that Dr. Richard Visser to re-election, on the list of the Green Party. Visser in 2006 had its seat in parliament declared after it appeared that his mother was seriously ill. Also, he was but can not get used to the way of policy on Aruba. Yesterday was also announced that Evelyn Wever-Croes before the election suggests MEP. She is a lawyer at the law firm Croes Wever Tchong and the niece of the current Justice Minister Rudy Croes. Monday it was officially presented to the public.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_56316.php

Google translation:

Aruba
KIA Motors officially bankrupt
May 9, 2009, 15:25 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - KIA Motors car during a meeting yesterday morning by the court declared bankrupt. Ex-employees of the company had brought a case of achieving this and as yet to receive a severance.

A trustee is appointed to the remaining funds from the company to manage. Of those funds, the heavily indebted to the bank and the tax must be paid, as well as severance pay and other payments to employees. The workers were dismissed last month following their abrupt dismissal of the pending bankruptcy of KIA Motors. Then at the last moment later was abandoned, the group decided to go to the courts. The car in Barcadera sacked employees by letter after it appeared that it was financially so bad that not even full monthly salaries could be paid. It is not yet known whether the bankrupt KIA Motors has implications for a possible takeover of the company and the franchise of the KIA car. Tilma Group and Garage Cordia were some companies that were interested in one go.

[2NJSons_Mom]

just some thoughts
...some snip n clips
On your question what is my opinion concerning what happened with the missing girl, I can explain to you the following:

SATISH
My brother and I definitely did not have sex with the missing girl. Joran I can’t say. All I saw was Joran kissing the missing girl in the car. We, my brother and I, at around 01:50, left Joran and the missing girl at the beach off Marriott hotel, hence why I cannot say if Joran had sex with the missing

According to my brother Joran had told him that he had taken off his shoes and that he and the girl had gone into the water. Joran had then told my brother that after that he and the girl had gotten out of the water and that the girl had fallen asleep on the beach.

DEEPAK
I then asked him, and how did it go. He said to me, no man, we just went into the water. After that according to Joran the girl had fallen asleep on the beach.

He was the last person with the girl, that I can guarantee.


SATISH
I think that girl has drowned. Joran had told Deepak and I that he had left the girl behind on the beach and that they were (1) meter away from the water lying on the sand.


On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth

I say that we, Deepak and I, did not know that Freddy knew the real story. The real story, which was on the beach. It do not understand why Freddy was told that, according to me he knew both stories already.

PAULUS
“Even though I know I have the right to refuse giving a statement, I will make a statement. I believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone with the girl to the beach. (With Freddy is meant the witness Freddy ZEDAN; comment TROMP).

Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police. He had called my wife and had said that he found it important to tell the truth.

WHY would anyone do this.......they already new she was wih joran....what difference would it make to them if he left her at the hotel or the beach????????

SATISH
 Accept Freddy, nobody knew we left Joran and the girl behind at the Marriot Beach.
NEWS REPORTER
He was questioned in the beginning in regards to the Natalee case
Do you have any info as to his whereabouts the night Natalee disappeared?
Jossy: I hear his alibi is that he was with Joran


Dan Riehl said earlier that the Freddy guy is the same person who was staying at Joran's apartment that night

So are we to take it that freddy was there when they left for c&c and didnt go??????
joran said that the person who helped him came to his appt AFTER it was over

Part of freddy's statement

I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago. Joran and myself are both really into sports and that is how we became good friends. Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together. After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something

NOOOO mention of staying at or being with joran no mention of jOran coming home that night
Dont you think in all the exitment if Freddy was there they would have talked all night

 

So, are you saying you believe Freddy was not involved, or just the opposite?   I'm sorry, but I am not understanding your point, nor your opinion as to what happened to Natalee that night. 

[Helen Back]

This may have already been posted.  If so, Please feel free to delete:

THE HAGUE, 30/04/09 - In cooperation with various other countries, Dutch authorities have rounded up a big cocaine gang that had links with Hezbollah. Seventeen suspects were arrested on Curacao, the biggest island of the Netherlands Antilles, the Public Prosecutor's Office (OM) has revealed.

International cooperation between police and judicial services of the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles, Belgium, Colombia, Venezuela and the US led to the arrest of the 17 suspects by the Curacao police. They are believed to be part of a drugs and money-laundering organisation with international branches, thought to be responsible for the import and export of at least 2,000 kilos of cocaine per year, according to the OM. "The organisation maintained international contacts with other criminal networks, which in the Middle East support Hezbollah financially".

In this investigation, launched at the beginning of 2008, containers with cocaine were intercepted earlier in Rotterdam (300 kilos), the Spanish city of Valencia (20 kilos) and the Belgian city of Antwerp (140 kilos). Three Colombian suspects have for some time been in pre-trial custody for their involvement in the Rotterdam shipment, discovered in October 2008.

The 17 suspects now arrested are from Venezuela, Colombia, Lebanon and Cuba as well as Curacao. The organisation shipped containers with cocaine from Curacao to the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Jordan. From Venezuela, drugs containers went to West Africa and subsequently to the Netherlands, Lebanon and Spain. Couriers smuggled cocaine from Curacao and Aruba to the Netherlands as air passengers.

The suspects invested the drugs profits in property in Colombia, Venezuela, Lebanon, the Dominican Republic and in companies on Curacao. "Large sums of money from the drugs trade have become available in Lebanon via underground bankers. From Lebanon, orders are also placed for weapons, which had to be delivered by the drugs organisation from South America."

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/300409_2.htm

[klaasend]

Posted at RU:

 

[Keepthefaith]

        WISHING ALL MONKEY MOTHER'S A SAFE AND WONDERFUL MOTHERS DAY

                                             
                                                         

[Magnolia]

Posted at RU:

 

I read somewhere that Trina's father is actually the taxi driver and has owned a taxi on Aruba for more than
20 years.  Trina works at Bon Dia or Aruba Today.  Trina has never driven the taxi.
Trina is a product of AHATA just as much as Caps is.

[ohcanada]

Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.

[texasmom]

   

WISHING ALL MONKEY MOTHER'S A SAFE AND WONDERFUL MOTHERS DAY

 
 

Thank you KTF!   

[klaasend]

Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.

Not sure what you are implying here.  Personally I do believe Freddy KNOWS.  I also believe that K2 know more than they are telling. 

Freddy did give statements that contradicted Joran. 

P.S.  You really have to stop posting and signing off.   

[texasmom]

Posted at RU:

 

I read somewhere that Trina's father is actually the taxi driver and has owned a taxi on Aruba for more than
20 years.  Trina works at Bon Dia or Aruba Today.  Trina has never driven the taxi.
Trina is a product of AHATA just as much as Caps is.

Yes, it's kinda like Julia aka Glenda STILL making an issue of the Missing posters being printed in Spanish too, as if there are no Spanish speaking/reading people on Aruba.  She is so FOS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Aruba

Snip:
On the Caribbean island of Aruba, there are many languages spoken. The official language is Dutch, and schools require students to learn both English and Spanish.

Snip:
Aruba's location off the coast of South America has also made Spanish extremely important. Students begin learning this as early as 5th grade.

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/09/natalee-holloway-estate-of-jamie-skeeters-wins-motion-to-strike-against-kalpoes-in-dr-phil-defamation-case/

Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case

[texasmom]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/09/natalee-holloway-estate-of-jamie-skeeters-wins-motion-to-strike-against-kalpoes-in-dr-phil-defamation-case/

Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case

 

Thanks Klaas!   

[Helen Back]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/09/natalee-holloway-estate-of-jamie-skeeters-wins-motion-to-strike-against-kalpoes-in-dr-phil-defamation-case/

Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case

I love it!  Thanks, Klaas.

 

[Tamikosmom]

Beth

God entrusted Natalee to your care for over eighteen years ... until He took her back ... until he took her home.  What a priviledge.  You were so blessed.

Happy Mother's Day.

++++++

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 228/229:  At the top of her closet are some boxes, heavy ones.  I pull them down and open them to find Natalee’s composition notebook, which is actually a journal from a high-school English class.  It’s in her handwriting.  I have never seen this before.  As I open it, I instantly feel her with me right now at this moment, like a physical presence.  Overwhelmed with this warmth, I take the journal out and sit down on her bed to read what she has written about love and life.

“Jesus Christ is the basis of Christianity and is the most influential person in my life.  I believe without him people would be nothing and have no direction in life.

Love is an emotion that happens naturally when one person feels very strongly for another. I believe love is controlled by faith and that certain people are made to love each other.  Love is a very complicated emotion.  I think I will know when I will find love, because it will be with someone that I care for and cannot live without.

Family is like a deck of cards.  You never know what kind of card you’ll draw.  No one is able to choose their family, but has to accept their own family.  I consider myself lucky because I am really happy with the family that I have to me, family is very important and should be a person’s top priority"

I am so taken with the depth of her words, her thoughts.  And so relieved that her faith was solid.  Just as her Bible group leader said, “Natalee knows how to call on God.”  Faith has always been a very important part of our lives.